'Til Death Do us Part (SPOILERS!)

@Ramidel - I like that option. :stuck_out_tongue:

If I remember rightly, when it was the other way round (being with Mendosa, and getting into the Monarch’s pants), Mendosa would then leave, and that would be it. I was playing it last week, and went down the Mendosa route. I then made the mistake of asking for Mendosa’s help for something to do with the King, or something. He wasn’t impressed.

Hey everyone, newbie here *waves excitedly*

I have a couple of questions I really hope someone will answer, I’ve heard people say that you have to be innocent of any murders and any wrong doing in order to live happily ever after with King until he dies of natural causes, is this true? does reputation scores and relationship scores with the king play a factor?

Another question, how in the name of life and death does anyone go through the entire three games without killing anyone? lol . I would seriously like to know because I’ve been trying to figure it out but I just don’t get it.

Thanks in advance.

I can answer the second bit of your question Winnie. In the first game don’t try and become the consort. Just become the lover on the side. Second game sell Juanita off to Sahra or the Duquesa and don’t go meet Enrique (life mage potion guy) and third game don’t try and rid yourself of Don Luis’s niece. Oh and send assassins against whoever tried to kill you but leave Juanita alive.

“Happily ever after” is in the eye of the beholder. Augustin(a) gets both increasingly paranoid and decreasingly attractive as he/she lets herself go as he/she gets older regardless. It is however certainly possible to live with Augustin(a) relatively happily until he he/she finally dies. From what I recall it’s not necessary to be a total saint to get that ending. You just need to be careful not to trigger Augustin(a)'s paranoia. So keep your relationship score high, keep your reputation high, and unless those scores are very, very high, be careful about defending those whom Augustin(a) is paranoid about, lest you be tarred for defending them.

Thank you both so much for answering my post.
I’m relieved you don’t have be a total saint to outlive Augustin(a) (I love playing the scheming consort type too much) I was actually getting worried there for a while. :smiley:

Outliving Augustina does indeed require you to be innocent of committing any actual crimes though. You can’t dispose of Esteban, Adelita, Juanita, Rosa or Magdalena, you can’t coerce Ramirez (though you can kill Don Felix for him and get the potion; this has got to be a bug), and you can’t be in an affair. As I said above, even if the Queen, and not you, had Esteban or Juanita executed, you’re still going to catch heat for it.

EDIT: Actually, there’s another way to do it, if you’re clever and ruthless enough…It’s a rather non-obvious method, though.

Oh? what is the ‘non-obvious’ method?

Sacrifice your ally to Augustin(a)'s paranoia. If you’re not their lover and you have a good relation with the Monarch (you need either a decent rep and a decent relationship, or if your rep isn’t good enough, a very good relationship with the monarch), you’ll evade suspicion until the monarch kicks off naturally.

yeah I use that method sacrificing Mendoza Agustina say something I love you to much but she has to die I never romance her so I framed her without remorse she try to enter in my room 4 times lol! and send me poems when I never give a damn about her all game I. hate her

Ah, yep, @Ramidel is correct. You have to be either lily pure or willing to throw Vega or Mendosa to the wolves if you want the relatively happy ending with Augustin(a). One of the major things that troubled me with this game was how arbitrary it could be at times. It doesn’t matter whether you committed one questionable action or five, it doesn’t matter if you never killed anyone and simply beat Ramirez into giving you the spell of life, or if Augustin(a) was the one who overreacted to your successful discrediting of either your predecessor or Juanita, it doesn’t matter if your subtlety was a 99 at the time you committed the questionable action, or if your current relationship score with Augustin(a) is a 99. You die, and the game never even attempts to explain the “evidence”.

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Welcome to the court of fantasy Henry VIII. Augustin(a) is the definition of arbitrary in the third game; she’s got absolute power in the Court, she’s not at all rational, and Anne Boleyn didn’t get a fair trial either.

As far as I can tell, there is no “evidence” at your trial, because Augustin(a) doesn’t need any. As the narration says, the whole thing is a farce from start to finish. Remember, s/he is already burning people at the stake just because s/he can. The only way to put a stop to this madness is to…put a stop to it.

That said, I do agree that it should have been possible for someone who’d only committed minor indiscretions (such as whacking Ramirez or using the monarch against one of Juanita or the Consort) and had an absolutely sterling reputation and relationship with the Monarch to avoid the slander set against them.

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I wish it was possible to call out both my Uncle and Aunt for not leting me not be togetar with Mendosa in part 1 just becaus he was poor or if I have an affair with him later in part 3 and I was force to tell this to Tomas and than tell them later.

@Ramidel: This is possible, and people in this thread have achieved it, but it is *very* difficult – by far the most difficult check in the entire game.

Going from memory, you need a total score of 165 from adding your reputation stat (which you can see) and rep_king (which you can’t). Both of these scores range from 0 - 99, and both are maintained using “ChoiceScript Math”. What this means is that the higher the score, the less benefit you get from further increases while you take a bigger hit from reductions. So, if you have a score of (say) 85 for reputation, -10 will drop you to 76.5 (a drop of 8.5 points), but +10 will only result in a score of 86.5 (an increase of 1.5).

To get to a 165 you need to have scores of 83 in both stats, which, practically speaking, means you need to have never done /anything/ to hurt your reputation or make the king like you less, in all three parts. That’s amazingly difficult to do, and will (among other things) prevent you from having a child.

But it is, theoretically, possible to survive without killing the king, and there is an ending written specifically for this scenario.

Extremely difficult ending to get. I personally have only ever gotten it once since the third part came out.

@mreed: You can only avoid being caught by the rumors (I have the code open) if you are truly innocent, and the check is at 130. If you’re guilty of something, there’s no way out except over the Monarch’s or your lover’s dead body.

It’s not too hard to make Reputation and RelKing 99 by the beginning of Part 3 if you know what you’re doing, even if you have married the Monarch and had a Life Mage child through Ramirez’ aid. That doesn’t mean that the monarch won’t have you arrested if you did so.

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I did get the “happy” ending with the Monarch once, but it was a game where I hadn’t done anything noteworthy to get myself in trouble. More or less, if Tomas has anything he can make you admit, you’re screwed with regards to the Monarch. On that game, the only thing he could make me say was that I was having an affair with de Vega, with a note that said something like “It’s a lie, but the words come from your mouth regardless.”

Also, with regard to having problems getting any ending besides the 10 years of mind control (someone on here said that a little bit back… no idea if it’s been resolved or not but this is generally useful information), that was me, too, until I figured out to ALWAYS, no matter what else you decide to do, try a death curse on Tomas. It (inexplicably) doesn’t check your magic or subtle scores, so it always works and you never get caught. And even though it won’t ever actually kill him, doing it will give you a bonus either on being able to convince the King to let you get rid of his mind control or if you decide to start a coup using Tomas as the reason. A little bit of odd writing there in my opinion, since I would have thought that in some circumstances attempting to secretly pull off a death curse would be a very bad idea, but at least knowing that has been beneficial for finally being able to get to better endings.

I haven’t been around here for ages, and I am now really curious as to what somebody said about throwing de Vega or de Mendosa to the wolves. :-/

weijiangling - I am going to remember that about the Death curse on Tomas. Thanks. :smiley:

Ramidel - Are there any consequences if you confess to Tomas about the Life Potion? I’ve never confessed about that. When I first saw that option, I thought, “Would Augustin really care if he had been that desperate for a Life Mage child?”

@Erinrosado. I did it with both. I hate both romances , due both are old and ugly and tiresome to death. Well i never try flirt with them and i send them fuck of every time they still ask me for romance like 4 times why dont you want romance him? fake choice make me angry really angry…

So when monarc said I love you so i forget you but your lover has to die . I say sure whatever please kill him to stop coming to my door to try to bang me everyday . And we and king life ok until he dies without no problem .

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@ErinRosado: Welcome! I was really surprised when I looked into the coding on that one. You would think trying forbidden magic with low magic or low subtlety would be an issue, but apparently not…

@ErinRosado: Confessing to Tomas does nothing AFAIK. Tomas is just trying to blackmail you into marriage.

I agree it doesn’t make much sense at all for Augustin(a) to get conspiracy theories about Ramirez, in particular, at this point. Though if it’s not a situation of female monarch/male consort, then I would humbly suggest that the apparent reason for a Life Mage child would not be the assistance of a powerful, renegade Life Mage. It would be that Antonio was gotten on the wrong side of the blanket.

But then, the Monarch not making sense makes a certain amount of sense.