I haven’t gotten this yet (and it will probably be a while) but if you cannot conquer and annex Sahra I will be very disappointed. Putting an end to that sore spot on the frontier will mean no frittering away more lives and money, and allow the creation of an Iberian Empire that can focus on greater things.
@MaraJade I don’t know what to say. I am sorry for what happened to you (and I hope the perpetrator(s) were hung to prevent anything else happening), but I still believe you are going too far. For one, alleging that men “only consider penetration to be rape.” I am sorry, but at least some of us beg to differ, and even if you have run into fine bastards who think that, tossing us all with that allegation is an insult, and an indefensible one. So please limit your fire!
Secondly, yes it is a heinous scene and one that offhand sounds like it might have needed a better handling. But the idea that we should have a scene removed purely because people are uncomfortable with it does not sit well with me.
I’m damn sure that some people who have played this also found themselves in the manipulations of a very nasty piece of work and at their mercy (like with Tomas), or who have experienced tragedy from murder, intrigue, and backstabbing. My grandfather on Dad’s side was a Ranger in the Pacific, and some of the scenes in “Marine Raider” do not sit well with me; I can only imagine what he would think of it! And likewise, the local Fascist party probably tossed one of my great uncles onto the street by murdering his employer during the Great Depression (probably at the behest of the Italian consulate in the area). One of my Aunts was forced to act as a courier for the local blackshirts when she was very young in order to keep them from vandalizing our family’s business or worse, and it took her months to find an escape. I can still see how these things hit them hard.
And that is just with my relatives. I have more than a few bad experiences myself
But does that mean that I feel all media that covers oppression, totalitarian subversion, academic abuse, and murder should be verboten? In that case, we’d probably have to toss out huge swaths of the existing CoG library. From what I see from the game, it is not like it is romanticizing or excusing that action, to say the least. It’s a heinous action and treated as such, well above the player character’s own barbarities (since they are probably still a sympathetic character to players who are not sociopaths).
It’s not for everyone by a loooooonnng shot, but since when does fictional material have to be?
I know we’ve had our differences in the past, but I wish there was a way I could help you, even if we’re a quarter of the world apart. If there is anything I can do, do not hesitate to ask any of us or at least myself.
But I do think the subject matter itself can fit in CoR/'Til Death. Even if it is definitely not for everyone.
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But on that note, Mara does have a point. This is a rather disturbing thing to say the least, and while CoR has gone there before, I imagine from this and the fact that it’s the climax that it is only more pronounced here. So perhaps adding in a disclaimer or even a “toggle” of some sort might help?
Again, there’s only so much I can tell from secondhand evidence, but from what I am hearing this is certainly dealing with ugly material. So it might be worth taking precautions.
