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It seems having a high magic helps you a lot and I think if you had the highest magic you should be able to choose one of the greyed out options. I don’t enjoy them being there if there’s no way to ever get them. Its like saying you have a gash on your arm and you can choose between holding it closed or having a surgeon fix it but the surgeon is like nah bro I don’t feel like surgery today.

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There* Thanks FairyGodfeather. I understand the storyline doesn’t allow for all possibilities to work successfully. However, it would behoove the game writer to make all options shown available for use. As it stands I simply cannot click them. That is bad for my OCD xD

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I was a little annoyed that with high magic and subtlety I couldn’t both resist the mind control and pretend that I was still under the influence. That was frustrating. I think the greyed out options were there to show how powerless you were. But, I don’t think they worked that well since there’s no other point in the game that that sort of device is used. Greyed out generally means something is possible on a different path.

It’s different than Depression Quest, which also uses greyed out options as a storytelling device, but in that case it serves a purpose. Here it’s just frustrating.

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I completely agree.

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The grayed options do serve a pretty clear purose. As was said, they illustrate your temporary helplessness. High magic characters the opportunity to resist as soon as it actually matters, when he tells you to incriminate yourself. Resisting earlier wouldn’t help you any and take all the menace Thomas as a villain. Personally, I think it works perfectly.

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@Wonderboy i have 95 magic i couldn’t resist his rapist touch , for me that are almost same a full rape. If the nasty touch could be avoided i agree with you. But the nasty touch is horrible he clearly enjoy it like a fetichism rape its obligated and i almost end vomiting with that repugnant cheap scene.

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@MaraJade I really do think you’re utilising a fair bit of exaggeration, there.

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@Drazen for you maybe, but i only tell my reaction. It was a inspected ugly scene totally out of place the guy already win my mind, why include a cheap bad taste quasy rape scene?. For some voyeur fetichist, touch face and hands or feet, is most erotica than a full assault. The scene is so nasty that it could be labeled that way. The guy already control and kill half of realm, the fact he has some psyco fetichism with you, its not so exaggerated.

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While it’s true the magic is rather invasive, and the scene is creepy, I still think that’s pushing it. There’s no need to take it so harshly - it was not intended that way, and getting all worked out about it won’t make you feel better.

I’m not trying to dismiss your feeling, just to say that perhaps you should try and rethink the scene calmly, as to not feel horribly offended at every reference to it. I can’t imagine you enjoy being so distressed so often?

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Sorry to bother you Im very sensible against rape, i liked rest of game but this scene was horrible.

@Jackrabbit your comment is totally rude. please change it i could express my opinion here same like you.

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Well, you caught me in a busy time, so I didn’t finish editing before the time out. So I will reply now: I’m sorry if I offended you, because my intention was not to invalidate your feeling, or to be rude. You, of course, have every right to your opinion and sensibilities, and I did not mean to suggest you stop expressing them altogether.

However, because this topic is such a sore spot for you, it makes a calm, rational discussion very difficult to hold. When something is problematic or offensive, there needs to be an objective discussion, to make it clear to people who do not find it objective exactly where the problem is.

So you are completely within your right to strongly express your opinion. But, addressing the topic less explosively and being more open to other interpretations will encourage discussion, while stating absolute facts (‘that scene is rape’) will discourage it.

And discussion is the reason we’re here, isn’t it?

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@Marajade I’m going to say this as gently as I can but you’ve already voiced your opinions on Tomas and what you consider rape. Other people have argued against you or agreed with you. I don’t think anyone’s going to change their minds, and each interpretation is valid. I agree that the scene with Tomas was chilling, it was meant to be horrifying, although I had a different view of it than you did.

Can I suggest if you feel that passionate that the scene was inappropriate that you send an email to the authors, asking for them to either clarify, or to allay your concerns.

I don’t think it’s fair to say the scene was cheap. I didn’t think it was erotic in the slightest either. I find it troublesome that you use the word ‘rape’ to describe what was most certainly an assault. We have no evidence that Tomas raped the main character though. However, I think your interpretations are valid, so please email choice of games, ask for them to clarify whether or not the main character was raped.

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For me that scene is rape, i could lie; but i still thinking the same. Men only saw penetration like rape, and that is false a sex attack against will of the other part is rape. I think he enjoy and take pleasure from the touch. The fact the scene there is to symbolize other situations. Maybe there is more soft words in English but i don’t know them,so i use rape. I could sexual assault no consent if you prefer it. I still p.laying the game, and recommend it. I only show my concerns

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Something annoying I just noticed: If you maintain neutrality during the Death Rod affair, even if you and Vega were archenemies before, and even if you tell Vega to piss off when he comes to yell at you, he still warms to you and becomes your ally and friend, and he stays your ally even if you blow him off afterward “for the sake of propriety.” You can’t continue your enmity unless you actively backed de Mendosa.

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I never tried that sort of playthrough Ramidel. That is rather annoying. There’s a number of places where you need to have either Vega or Mendosa. It could have filled that in with your sibling or Aunt/Uncle though.

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…I suddenly imagined the idea of your sibling being your rumored lover. Which is ludicrous, but it makes sense that Tomas might use his magic to spread that lie.

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That would fit perfectly with the Anne Boleyn comparisons too since she was accused of incest with her brother.

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Hi, I’m new and have been stalking around this forum for awhile. :smiley:

Just wants to share, in my opinion, hope you guys don’t mind…

first, Luis de Vega as a romance-able character, I was actually one of those fans who wants this to happen, ;D
but to think he went in too easy after his wife is accident was such a… I don’t know… too easy maybe? But nonetheless I liked the idea, is just that he should be much more harder as a target to get, by doing that i think I would be more excited, well I personally will get much more excited to chase down a brilliant guy whom I have been targeting since the first game. XD

second, Gabriel/a de Mendosa’s comeback, well I guess majority of the player should already guess that he/she will be back by the end of second installment, I was crushed to see that majority of his/her role was the same as de Vega in some or more scene, and not to mention he/she speaks about bed more often presumably as that is his character. >:D
so, i actually don’t have any major issue for Mendosa, just that their roles should have been slightly more different… or if we could find a new character instead of him, that could have been a good idea, this exclude Tomas, (Damn Tomas!!) and or Lucia/o

third, Tomas de Reyes surprise, OMG WHY TOMAS WHY?! I’m such in a butt-hurt condition now, I thought Tomas was supposed to be a baby, in term of a good kid. I don’t know he is so sly and suddenly WHAM, hold your hand and, Yes Tomas I obey you… hahha, I don’t like it though for we can’t break free from his spell in the first options, but I do like this scene because this game just give me the element of surprise and excitement I was looking for, since we have no idea he could be showing anytime and we have never met an enemy so sly as him, I do still wondering hard about why we cant resist his first and second hypnosis even if our magic was soaring high in the sky, at least I’m relieved that we can do it in the third attack :))
too bad we didn’t get to see his true story, I was dying wanting to know what kind of thing has happen that caused him to be like who he is now, and I find it very good that we cant romance him. please, you got the father why are you still after the son?

fourth, King Augustin/a’s good ending and Princess Juanita or Queen Juana’s ending, I am so glad that at least we could get 1 good ending if we are being faithful to the king… nobody was killed in my first play, I was playing as a good girl and I actually made it to his ending, even though he’s dead in the end, he still die peacefully…
and for Juanita, this was a good ending I wasn’t expected this scene. It actually touch my heart and I love Juanita as a character now… Even though we started rough with her, I am so out of word that she could bring those kinds of emotion towards the end…

fifth, Lucia/o de Vega, you just have to have a Rival in each installment, first Adelita now Lucia, hahaha~ not to mention your Rivals are always stunning, this bring me to my feet, I’m wondering every second will the King really pursues this newcomer and looks like in my case, not a chance… I like it where you can actually help her, you can decide what will happen to this character, will you make a brilliant marriage for her/him, or will you just crush his/her dream of finding a good match in the court?

My thoughts finally, I think the game main attraction was actually the Romance, that is for the 1st installment, but it remains fun though throughout the last game. It began to see what have you done from those last game, like if you’re the reason or by any chance directly nor indirectly the reason why the queen or Juanita or both, die, then you wont find a happy ending with the king, or should it be good, not happy, since I’m sad his time has come… ;A;

@MaraJade , I understand that you don’t like ‘rape’ and such, but don’t you think you’ve gone to far by cursing that scene like that? Dont you know that the author was writing an original story and you mock them by saying that scene was cheap, ouch, for real… I mean I do think some would say that scene was actually, good? In aspect of new case where your have to face a new enemy that so sly and using hypnosis as a method of facing you, to see how many of you raise your magic that high to keep your secrets safe. And to see do you really do anything bad in the past game? You see, for every secret that you can reveal to Tomas, not the fake one like the lovers option, those options indicates how faithful and how innocent you actually are throughout the game, and throughout your real self. What happen if you face someone as sly as Tomas, or you could just said as rapist as Tomas if you would like that word better, where in that situation your secret will be known by someone like him, to see who you really are, are you even innocent or have you done bad things?
well i actually guess this has nothing to do in real live anyway~~ sorry if I’m rude, but I don’t really like you saying that the scene was ‘cheap’. thx~ <3

sorry it was such a long comment~ hahha~ this was so relieving XD

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@Jemojaku I was victim of a rape attemp when teens, so for me the scene is purely suffering and painful remembering. He already has your mind dominated why to push the scene so far with the touch and all the hints about sex in the honey moon and tell you don’t remember ALL he did to you. It’s totally unnecesary make him touch you for the sake of make story more cruent and a copy paste of Game of thrones.

If game didnt make him touch you or talk about the honeymoon and drop hints about no consentsexual activity story doesn’t lost any strenght and Thomas still being totally a bad character.
COG was known for his gender friendly aptitude and try not be sexist and acept different orientations. Well that scene goes totally against that philosofy in my opinion.

The game still being good but let me a horrible taste and a shock when I get this image.

Also welcome to forums!

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@MaraJade Thank you for clarifying. I must have misunderstood. But I agree. Some sort of content warning is probably a very, very, *Very* good idea. As is the option to- simply put- outwit Tomas at his own game before this becomes such an ugly event. I can understand why the designer(s) wanted to do this even in a CoG game, but I do think there is a problem with the execution if we have problems like this.

(And my poor, innocent pet turtle Thomas… the comparison is not going to be good for him…)