The Wayhaven Chronicles: Book Three (WIP -FINAL DEMO)

There has got to be an image of exactly this on the internet somewhere. I wish my PC was working or I’d make it myself. :rofl:

Here, have one that’s drooling:
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This is probably a good way to describe it. I know I’m both compelled and repelled right now—oh, great, like magnets. See? Mishka is a genius. I think the story potential is bursting and I hope that it ends up feeling satisfying.

The characters do feel like they are taking a different turn from where they seemed to be coming from in the first two books. Or, did we as the audience misunderstand from the get-go? Were they not really as fleshed out as they were made to seem? Pun intended, I think.

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I genuinely believe this is the case. I think that the long waits between releases along with the culture of establishing headcanons about protagonists and these big discussions about favorite ROs along with authors giving out lore tidbits and answering all kinds of questions about their characters (typically all things done to try and tide folks over during those long waits, I get it) really leads to people overhyping these things in their minds and imagining things that aren’t there.
I’m not typically a fan of stories like this so maybe I have the benefit of distance but I genuinely don’t think there has been anything wildly out of place plot-or-character-wise over the course of these books. That’s not a comment on the quality of the writing/storytelling one way or another, just an observation of the characterization and style at play here. This has always been a cheesy romance story, the premise has always been pretty silly, and the ROs have always been tropey. Whether someone enjoys these things or not is down to personal taste - for me it’s part of the charm, but I’ve never been super emotionally invested in this series. I just enjoy the cute character moments (For context, I only play F and M romances, and when not romancing one they’re the BFF) and goof my way through the overarching plot.
Bear in mind that it’s been five years since the first book came out and taste can absolutely have changed (especially if someone is pretty young) in that time, assuming someone has been following this stuff for a while. If people really feel like something is different with these stories, maybe they’re the ones who changed and not the books? Just an idea.

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I don’t know, I recently re-read the whole series and didn’t notice that much difference with the RO’s. But I feel like either the MC has changed…or maybe I changed and the MC wasn’t working for me anymore, so I had to rework mine. I know this kind of thing has happened to me before, when a series takes years to release. Sometimes I can’t relate to the character I’m playing anymore. Maybe it’s just that some of the tropes I used to enjoy in fiction are things I’ve moved on from, or don’t relate to so much anymore.

With Wayhaven in particular, though, as with a lot of other series, I do feel like there is a disconnect often between social media and the game. Nowadays lots of the story telling happens outside the main game/project, and if you miss out, you can lose a lot of context about characters, etc.

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To me, the characters feel exactly the same as they did in B1, with the exception of M if you’re on their route. A is still an antagonistic asshole, F is still a chaos whirlwind in it for the lulz, and N is still going around trying (and mostly failing) to mum everybody into being prim and proper, which is exactly who they were in B1.

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Nah, I am pretty new to this whole thing, it wasn’t a year for me between books 2 and 3. It’s just that the first two managed to be funny and cute (the scene where A lifts the whole fucking tree and waits for the praise like a puppy just lives in my head rent free), and this one just flopped for reasons that were named many tumes here before.

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I was a teen when i first read the books and now I re-read them as an adult, and yet… I still felt some shred of hope when I read Book 1 and 2. It felt like we were getting somewhere, like there was progress and some genuinely sweet moments. Something like that I can remember in Book 3 is far and in between: Tina’s dinner scene with Adam where she expresses concern for my detective, Douglas’s capture by trappers.

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This was something I thought about last night, previously I was a lot more lenient with Wayhaven. The story just started and I had a lot of hope it could get better. Book 2 left a very good impression on me when I finished it, so I wasn’t worried about Book 3. The three year gap in between, I would definitely say my taste has changed.

I crave more mature romances and strong character progression now, I’ve basically shed any and all YA romances behind me. Though I still do love me a messy and toxic relationship here and there( as long as it’s actually entertaining).

So when I started book 3, I was expecting something more. A big part of me blames myself, as sera has said this is a romance series, first and foremost. I don’t like critiquing romance books because it’s usually the author fantasy but with how book 3 ended up. I can’t ignore it anymore.

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The MC hasn’t changed, it’s just becoming more and more obvious that the stats with which we build our MCs are completely ignored in the romance. Considering this is a romance game, the personalities should really be considered in the interactions with the LIs. They aren’t, though–the MC is forced into being a blushy anime character, no matter their actual stats, forced into feelings they may or may not be experiencing yet, and–worse–it’s completely one-sided and the LIs aren’t shown to have the same over-the-top reactions to the MC.

And that’s the problem with A’s route. There’s no growth and any progress is immediately reset. The character itself isn’t the problem, it’s the fact that the build-up to A and the MC getting together feels forced and stunted because Sera decided to drag it out for six books before allowing them to be together.

I’ve said it before, and the fact remains, that A’s route should have an earlier exit ramp that can be triggered by the MC’s words or actions. As it stands, the entire “romance” is dependent upon A deciding, so the MC is basically a non-entity in it. There should be ways to speed it up, things that would trigger A into ending this seemingly never-ending cycle of push/pull with the MC as a doll that has no actual agency.

Yeah, F is F. I don’t think anything will ever change with them and they won’t “grow” as a person. And it will always be fun and non-angsty (except for their mom).

Well, in b3, N’s prim and proper went out the window. N is a horndog, really. It just didn’t come out until they were in a relationship and sure of the MC’s feelings. With N, there is somewhat of a disconnect in their behavior in b3, IMO. But I think that is Sera’s way of showing that N is better than M in every way, including sex.

Like you said, M is the exception. It may be because Sera was forced to explore M past the crabby exterior and sex-driven attitude. M’s one-note, cartoonish build from b1 just wouldn’t work if it was going to be a romance, so she had to figure out who the hell M is. With the other three, she sees their one-note, cartoonish build as acceptable–F is the bff snarker who is almost always happy and fun, A is the tortured slow-burn (asshole), and N is the soft, sweet, caring one with something dark in their past. So that’s what you get.

These are symptoms of plot bloat and forcing the progress to a snail’s pace in order to fill seven games. She could very easily let the romances progress at a more natural, quicker pace and focus on external forces for the source of drama and tension, but she wants to drag them out as long as possible. And the problems with doing that are getting more blatant with A, N, and F’s routes.

M’s route got obvious progress because we’re beginning to see beneath the surface of M (and that progress will apparently be negated in b4 so it can be dragged out longer). With A, N, and F, what you see is what you get–there’s nothing deeper below the surface, apparently, except for whatever happened in their past.

Wayhaven would’ve benefited from being a five-game series instead of a seven-game series.

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Well, I know I haven’t been with this series for its entire runtime of 5 years or so. It’s only been, I want to say around 2-3 years. Having a toddler distorts time as it is, add a pandemic on top of that and I just remember jumping in sometime around Book 2 coming out. I don’t feel like I’ve changed much (in fact, I feel like I’m stuck in time) but I suppose no one ever feels like they are the ones changing.

It just feels like the experience I was getting from the first two books wasn’t the same for this one. It’s like it started out grittier then kept using a file to smooth things out while ignoring all the shavings it left behind. The romances haven’t been able to keep me from noticing the shavings.

So, we’ve got a wait. Any IF recommendations? I like everything: from scifi to fantasy, romance or none, lighthearted to grimdark, silly to serious. They don’t necessarily have to be CoG/HG recommendations. I’ve currently got Tally Ho and its sequel queued up and will probably grab the Relics series so I can read the 3rd one from that author’s Tumblr. Any other good/fun ones I should check out (or is this not an appropriate place to ask such a question)?

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I recommend Sordwin, great trilogy and also Breach Archangel. @EvilChani has a great list herself

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I can always recommend Mecha Ace. Short, sweet, engaging. Like an ice cream cone. Slammed! is longer and branchier and happens to be a great standalone book too.

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Both the A Mage Reborn and the Pon Para series. Oooh, and the Werewolves series. Out for Blood. Insert Rich Family Name. Fernweh Saga. A Tale of Heroes WIP. The Bureau WIP. College Tennis: Origin Story WIP. Golden WIP.

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@Requiem - Wayhaven discussion

I’m like you. I haven’t changed much, it’s that my patience is wearing thin with the intentional snail’s pace of getting to know UB (not just the RO, but the rest of the team as well) and complete disregard for the MCs we’ve built. B4 is midway through the series, and there’s been practically zero progress with A (and a complete reset at the end of b3 with the “I’m through with you!” bullshit), awesome progress with M in b3 that will be retconned, N being weird, and F still the same old F.

Add in the fact that we’ll get a “the MC and LI have never seen each other in the past few months despite working together constantly and the MC being on the same team” explanation at the beginning of b4 to show why the “connection” has remained stagnant over the time jump. Of course, that also means A acting like nothing in the last three books happened unless it’s to use it to hurt the MC, and M resetting to sometime in b3 before things started picking up because they aren’t allowed to understand things just yet, since we aren’t close enough to the end to be allowed a fucking relationship with M or A.

I think it feels that way because more attention was played to the overall plot. Maybe it’s because the plot was more focused–in b1, we had not-Murphy and in b2, we had a disease that turned out to be caused by Falk and his group. There was no extraneous crap, no keeping the big bad completely untouchable until the very end, and no trying to up the tension with a plethora of nameless “victims”.

In b1, we knew the ones Murphy killed from Wayhaven. It started with a murder and quickly had another murder of a child. There were other victims, but they weren’t from a 500-1000 person town. In b2, there were a lot of victims, one of which was someone the MC knew–who ended up lying in a hospital bed suffering from the disease that was inflicted on them halfway through the game. Even if your MC hated Bobby, that hits close to home.

What do we have in b3? Addie being kidnapped? Addie is quickly forgotten about until near the end. No search parties were really sent out for her, just for the Trappers. My husband, when Addie was mentioned again, asked (in character), “Who the fuck is Addie?” When I stared at him, he shrugged, “Seriously, who the fuck is Addie?” And I had been reading this story word for word to him.

There were what? Twelve people missing from Wayhaven? That’s a huge deal in a town that size. People would’ve been freaking the hell out, and rightly so. But we never saw that (unlike, in b1, Kate showing up to the station crying about her dead son). People would’ve been freaking out over the one missing kid, too. And what is the MC doing? Hiding in the warehouse for a week or more.

The problem with b3 was the fact that the plot made no sense. It felt like something got dropped or forgotten along the way and, instead of using the kid being taken by human/supernatural traffickers, a dozen faceless Wayhaven residents were thrown into the mix to create tension. The only problem is the narrative didn’t make me give a damn. I was more concerned with that kid than a bunch of ghosts.

Plus, as much as Sera hates spoilers, she spoils her own bloody plot by showing the bad guy so early and showing that poor Sin was forced into subservience to the evil, greedy human. Instead of infodumping it, it should’ve been held back–just like she holds everything back from the damned romances, only not for so long that we’re tired of it by the time we get there.

As for recommendations, try these:

My long ass list of recs

Fallen Hero
The Fernweh Saga
A Mage Reborn
The Shadow Society (b1 is done, but I’m not sure if there will be more or not)

I’ll also throw in a rec for Breach: The Archangel Job, just know that it’s very gamey, with dice rolls and such. Be prepared to die. Thankfully, you can reload.

Played the demo and loved it, but either haven’t yet played the full game or it’s not out yet:

Blood Moon
I, the Forgotten One

WIPs
The Bureau
Defiled Hearts: The Barbarian
The Voice of Silverking
Replica: Between Universes (warning, this one is dark)

Non-choicescript games:
Aloners Redux
Wilder Ran
Wilder Badhur (you may like this one better… I prefer Ran)
Superstition (not a VN, but an IF using twine)
A Tale of Crowns
When the Night Comes
Cinderella Phenomenon
Tailor Tales (I only suggest the paid for version–the free version doesn’t have a lot of the romance scenes that get very steamy–but the storylines are really great, and it is now on Steam)
Ebon Light (I freaking LOVE this game)
Demonheart (another one that is awesome–and it has a sequel that is an old-style RPG)
Demonheart: Ice Demon
Andromeda Six (romances are shallow as hell, but the overall story is cool)
Confines of the Crown
Changeling

And thanks to @lo6otia and @RenataC, I am now playing (and almost done with):
Oathbreaker (it’s soooo good!)

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In fear of getting off-topic about Wayhaven, I recommend asking the question in one of these two threads in the future :purple_heart:

Blood Moon is great.

I can’t in good conscience recommend The Shadow Society, because even though I loved it I haven’t heard anything about the rewrite or the new entry in ages, which is a pity. :frowning: Same for the Voice of Silverking WIP.

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Voice of Silverking is on hiatus, but last I talked to her, she was going to continue it. For The Shadow Society… yeah. I don’t think it will ever be continued. And the way she was treated by certain… elements… really pissed me off.

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I really think it was because certain individuals bullied the poor author due to “similarities” to Wayhaven :unamused:grown adults acting like children but whatever……

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I think Wayhaven is obviously a captivating series (else it wouldn’t be as popular as it is) but a lot of the time I feel like people compare anything Supernatural that happens to be romance focused to it, which is a very wide net. It’s the whole “souls-like” debacle. Anything even remotely similar gets compared to the most well-known thing in its group. Bit of a shame when this happens, really, especially when people take it to the extreme in a community as close knit as this.

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I recommend these ones, the list would be longer but some were already mentioned here.

WIPs:

Broken Fable
Path of Martial Arts: The Beginning
The Wight King
Shattered
Mind Blind
The Operative: Fires of Revolution
Windmere Academy

Also Keeper of the Sun and Moon, Superstition and The Bastard of Camelot.

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