Zombie Exodus: Safe Haven General Discussion (Part 3 beta coming in December)

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If you’re referring to a moral line, would that even matter to a group of people who have possibly been conditioned over the number of years they’ve survived by a dictator ? Especially if members have taken on the role of enforcers or other roles that sustain the regime would they really challenge a way of life that has kept them alive for years ? Sure I can imagine someone would try to stage a coup early on in the apocalypse or another tyrant could take the place of the previous one but, a full on overthrow of that form of leadership in exchange for a democracy when you’ve been conditioned to accept this way of life and you’re alive because of it ? I’m not so sure…

It does seem like a stupid idea to only plunder supplies and not produce your own supplies as well. So I agree they would need to change their strategy but I wouldn’t expect a change in morality (not saying it’s not possible, it’s just not everyone is a Rosie.) Having said that I could see a group of bandits/raiders producing what they need but killing people for their supplies when they need more of something to keep them going.

Would “heroes” actually exist in an apocalypse ? To me it appears to be different methods of survival not acts of heroism that would get you through the days, months and possibly years to come.

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The thing about the zombie apocalypse is… it’s not really the apocalypse. It’s just a disruption of modern society like we’ve had countless times before and recovered from. Sure there are people who are so used to the status quo that they will consider any disruption of it to be the end of the world, but those people are, to put it bluntly, wrong. The Earth is still perfectly habitable, just as it has been since before humans even existed. Zombies are basically humans minus the intelligence and organization that is the primary reason we’re so dangerous in the first place.

The worse the situation, the more likely it is for “heroes” to exist. It’s just a matter of contrast. The worse things are the better someone who isn’t as bad is.

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So you think the severity of the situation is just as likely to bring out the best in people as it is to cause people to kill each other over resources ? That seems like a logical conclusion to come to. But how would one successfully save the lives of others and balance their own safety and the safety of any other group members they already have ?

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Lol, that’s a really complex question man. I mean, I don’t think IRL people really set out to be heroes. They just do the best they can to the best of their judgement and luck, and then get viewed as such in hindsight. Luck’s always a major factor, imo.

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I agree with @Shoelip , the tendency of “Heroes” to appear during apocalypse or catastrophic era actually will be higher than peacetime … It is much depending on the mindset or psyche of a person, not everyone will revert to strong survival of animal instinct to live on their remaining days, some will prefer a peace of mind or self-satisfactory for his/her remaining days , it is a mindset that they hope they won’t have any regret for their existence and without themselves being lost of their true selves…

As we look for the term of survival , what would we hope to survive ? everyone has their own interpretation about “survival” , for some… it’s faith. It’s the flower of light in the field of darkness that’s giving them the strength to carry on. Even in apocalypse time, people had more than they needed. We had no idea what was precious and what wasn’t. We threw away things people kill each other for now and hope to achieve our own salvation, life may be one of the precious thing… …

The chance to kill a tyrant , or endanger themselves to save some strangers are reasons for these “Heroes” to exist , these heroes may only seek a glorified death just so to relieve themselves of the miserable of apocalyptic world and their real heroic action may just be a selfish act … but for those common folks who benefit from the actions of these “heroes” , the heroes may remain a "heroes " for them :slight_smile:

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I also wanna add that all this stuff has happened before. Not in exactly the same way, but similar enough, and we still ended up where we were before it happened this most recent time.

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That is literally the hallmark of a “hero”. They don’t do what’s easy or convenient. They do what’s “right”. The reason why terrible conditions will create a “hero” more likely than normal ones is because those that were predisposed to that way of thinking have no choice but to act on those compulsions.

Basically it’s the “Firefighter dilemma”. You don’t know if you’re a hero until you are faced with a situation where you choose to put your life on the line to save another. The apocalypse has plenty of opportunities for that.

The only difference is that the zombie epidemic has no cause or cure. What’s more, there has been no “reported” case where someone has been immune to it.

These differences are huge since all other disruptions effectively had an “answer” to help the recovery from

Yes and No. I feel you are greatly trivializing what a zombie outbreak would signify for humanity.

Except the fact that there are zombies, right? And that’s not a flippant remark either. All animals that eat from a zombie corpse are infected. All animals that eat from an infected animal’s corpse are also infected. Any feces used to fertilize vegetation from an infected animal can similarly be infected. That isn’t even talking about a zombie that bleeds into a stream or pond…

Again, this wouldn’t be a problem if:

  1. There was a specific cause
  2. There was a cure
  3. Humans could grow a tolerance without dying and becoming a zombie

Also that they have an incomparable desire to procreate via infection, even if that means walking through fire or ignoring obvious barriers or resistance. They aren’t like animals that are smart enough to value their own life. Zombies will keep coming no matter where you are or what barriers you have to defend yourself. Again, you are tremendously underestimating how “disruptive” they’d be in real life

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If there’s ever a zombie apocalypse, apparently the theater is the place to go.

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The Zombie Joe/Church scene gives the player the opportunity to confirm that Zeta is not a waterborne or airborne disease (if they have some medical). I do not think that the virus survives for long outside of a host. It also appears to have a very high attack rate relative to the incidence rate- most diseases of this type tend to transmit via body fluids and therefore don’t spread as easily (Zeta appears to do this), take a long time (>5 years without management) to kill, and/or don’t create prolonged epidemics and pandemics.

I am not sure if anything other than mammals can be infected- we have only seen infected mammals (coyote[?], squirrel, human zombies). As for immune humans, one exists in the first game and can be used to find a vaccine, and we might not have met one yet, or that person(s) is already part of the group, but nothing happened to them that revealed their status. Certain areas may also have endemic Zeta, and therefore have a higher frequency of immune humans than the general population. Of course, healthy carriers (think Typhoid Mary) could also exist…

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I will say the bulk of my point was zombie epidemics in general rather than Zombie Exodus specifically. Generally speaking, there’s rarely a cure and virtually never an immune/ resistant carrier.

Interesting. I don’t remember that being a thing. Do you inject some blood into water and drink it or…

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Since it is running concurrently with original zombie exodus , Devlin is immune to it and there is a possibility a cure had been develop …

and since there is a Devlin , there may be more than one person who will be immune to it elsewhere in the world :slight_smile: It is just that the news didn’t reach us, UK, China, Russia , Europe and perhaps even Africa will have people immune to it … how about Mexico and South American as well ? similar to black death , humans always develop their own immune system after an epidemic :slight_smile:

Personally , i think along the way after the process of absorbing and releasing by plants etc, some reaction could be develop where the virus being neutralise , we don’t know what would happen , but just to assume it is incurable and irreversible is too extreme :slight_smile: Well… it could be say that this is still fiction , we could ignore the reason for it to happen but we could also develop a reason where a cure or auto-immune could be develop

That’s the thing, it is still fiction , author need a lot of work to make it as real as possible :slight_smile:
But if we keep this in mind, we don’t have to go to the ultimate doom and gloom route right ? :wink:

Hey my friend , hope you don’t mind me saying …the so called zombie epidemics is also fictional as well … this “theory” had been written or develop by someone who has certain amount of scientific knowledge or virus knowledge , so they make this “epidemic” as believable as possible , but in the end these are all fictional, we don’t need to follow a fix zombie epidemic concept by one author , in the end … these are all fictional discussion, and there is no wrong when other authors, even ourselves write a zombie story where the cure or immune could be found … most zombies stories out there just want to develop a never ending story for their show to continue, so their primary mind set is "NO Cure " at all :wink:

@Snowflower Wow… it is awesome playing as scientist , with all the available skills available, it is only logical that a scientist MC could find a cure in future :slight_smile:
You do know what you are talking about, since i didn’t get that scene … i keep quiet about it, but your analysis is credible … but in the end i think we should be more open mind about what could be happen ning in a zombie epidemic scenario , we don’t have to follow existing zombie stories elsewhere and make it as if there is only one outcome in a zombie epidemic :slight_smile:

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What happens in the scene that I mention is that your character points out that the disease isn’t airborne because if it was, the group would become sick in Joe’s (and earlier, Layla’s) presence. The MC is backed up by Benji (a doctor) and Rachel (who is revealed to know much more about the outbreak than she lets on). The MC that says this could also be a scientist or medical professional (combat medic, doctor, etc.), adding more credibility to the statement.

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That’s the problem, they wouldn’t just be endangering themselves members of the group could be put in harms way because of their decision to run around and possibly kill a tyrant or if they do succeed in killing them who’s to say the supporters of that warlord won’t come after the hero for revenge ? Or if the hero even prevented another dictator from replacing the previous one and the successor decides that they need to kill the hero before the hero kills them. Yes the hero is or attempting to make an already crappy world a little bit better but it’s not like there wouldn’t be consequences to their actions that would not only impact themselves but the people they’re already protecting back home.(Yes this could possibly happen in any genre where the “hero” defeats the villain or tries to but, I imagine the consequences being a lot more severe in a world that really only has order if you create it the society you’re are trying to build or rebuild and everything living or undead is out to kill you.)

@Samuel_H_Young While that theatre seems fairly defendable, aren’t most theatre’s in cities where large numbers of zombies would most likely be encountered ? Which could result in you basically trapping yourself.

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Basically! :grimacing: All jokes aside, I’d actually much prefer an isolated area in the country. (Too bad I live in Kansas City, a city with half a million people in it.)

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Depend on what type of Heroes we are expecting , Max from Mad Max replace Immortan Joe and let Furiosa rule the new stronghold , he himself leave after that … Furiosa had been with the mix of Joe’s group , and she herself gain reputable respect from the group… based on the movie backstory , she could be a better leader since the first thing she did was release the fountain with water to everyone…

Eli from Book of Eli, initial aim was to deliver his “Book” to a civilized faction, along the way, he help those who need help … in the end sort of dispose a local warlord , free Solara and even teaching her about his vision, mission and purpose of life before dying himself, we could say the torch had past to Solara and may she continue to be the Shepard for many more people like Eli…

These are all potential happenings and about how or why a Hero will rise up … i hope there could be another hero who could be like King Arthur and form a New Camelot, but this is just for another fictional story :slight_smile:

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I’m aware of that, I’m simply stating potential consequences that could be very likely to happen in a setting like this.

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But you also said it wasn’t waterborne as well. My point was specifically about that

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Benji also says that the disease can’t be waterborne in that scene.
Besides, if it was waterborne, all city- and suburb-dwellers (including MC) could be infected by one water-treatment worker. Since the MC can fill up the tub with (and collect) the same potentially dangerous water, and does not turn or die (and you can fill up the tub and take water until your house is destroyed, indicating that there is no confirmed spread of Zeta through water that requires a shutdown), it is safe to say that Zeta does not remain infectious in water.

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Not exactly. To be fair, virtually all water that goes through those plants are filtered and filled with fluoride and chlorine. That by itself would kill most viruses or bacteria. If a zombie had fallen into a well however…

I’ll take your word for it. Still, I doubt strongly that any zombie that collapsed in a well, pond, or any place you’d get water, anyone would consider that water safe to consume. In real life the amount of viruses that are in springs and streams is considerable, and they are almost always the byproduct of some creature bleeding or sh**ing in them.

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I partly agree with your concern about water supply hazard…
However we also don’t know whether the virus or other virus will be neutralise with the distant where the zombie fall , same thing happen in real life, there are such concern

That’s why to boil our drinking water will be the best course of action … and about shower, we had done that many time , if in the game we don’t turn into zombie, i assume showering with zombie virus is alright.

But in the end , it is @JimD world , he could address these issues when he is free or feel the will to do it … but as much as we want to create perfect sense of everything, in the end it is just a fiction… if the author intention is the virus not waterbond, perhaps he could just mildly address it without going through all the scientific route of why :slight_smile:

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