(WIP) Heroes and Heretics | Prologue reworked (completed) 41k words Updated 08/07/24

I just started the game and honestly I have trouble blaming Vanguard for our parents’s death, it’s basically the equivalent of someone getting shot while a soldier is trying to neutralize an active mass shooter. A tragedy for sure but hard to blame the soldier for it.

It would probably be better if it was mentioned that rather than a desperate move, the car thing was something Vanguard went out of his way to set up and do to show off or improve ratings.

If anything, the fault lie in the corporation because what the hell was he doing fighting alone like that?

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The rework is great and I love the MC development in this version, its darker and harsher and I have to say its really well done. I’ve noticed people making comparisons to the show The Boys, which isn’t a bad thing, heard it was a good show, never saw it myself. Just be cognoscente of those similarities and not go too close to the show. Also having no choice whether or not to kill the bully felt wrong but its your book so I am sure there is a reason you did it this way. But be careful not to take too many of those life taking choices away from us please if possible. But like I said at the start I really really like the rework. You did a great job! :blush:

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Think of it as celebrities I personally don’t believe the hero and the villain stick in this situation he got out of prison scot-free pretty much with a bunch of security to back it up that means two things it was a setup for the situation to escalate that extent or he was lied to that he might get back up but it didn’t show up because of pushback and it was a lie to make the situation more exciting and more views for superheroes for their corporation and this situation has been going on and on with this individual until he finally kicked the bucket

That would be sick. Honestly, this kinda game, adding a cheat mode adds a unique opportunity for them to add it into the game as a power. Instead of the regular toggles or menus we usually get with cheats.

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The older Valkyrie was self righteous who believed that everything can be solved through law and even villains don’t deserve to die, and while mc wants to kill evil supes.

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@Dragomer

At first when i read the story i was under the same impression, but what made me change my mind was how he talked about the situation during the interviews. Like the character noted, he talked about them like they were political points against the villains instead of two people he killed by throwing a car. He didn’t apologize or acknowledge the mc, and he lowkey made it seem like the other guy, by his hands killed our parents when it was him. Yes, he was trying to stop a villain, but he still did it and was being fake about it. Distancing himself instead of taking accountability.:woman_shrugging:t5:

It’s basically the other side of heroing. Sure, he saved everyone (did he?), but he just destroyed half the neighborhood and killed two people by throwing a car. Definitely needed to have minimizing damage tatics in mind, but we know that heroes in this world aren’t heroes and don’t care frl.:woman_shrugging:t5:

I mean just imagine seeing your parents’ brains and blood splattered everywhere, and hearing the person who did it basically say it was for the “greater good.” Just for the “greater good” to not even do their job and punish the villain. They let dude out with a slap on the wrist. I mean, you heard valkeryie say he was under the protection of heroes. So even if the mc did let it go, the dude being released would’ve been a slap in the face, and they would’ve been on this path still.

So, for me personally he does have some fault.:woman_shrugging:t5:

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Okay I’ve done all the power route and try to pick as many option as possible.

What I've noticed:
  1. I do notice many instance where the game do mix up things like Valkyrie calling me boy while I am picking female option.

  2. Lack of personal choice, like what kind of vigilante MC will be because there is no option of beating the crap of people without killing everyone, I like the display of power but would be nice if reader have control of what MC will do.

  3. Somewhat the option doesn’t change much, I picked the back door perhaps it will do stealth route but it just changed from brute force front door kill everyone to more concealed kill everyone.

  4. The presentation of choice for example:

Choose point of access:

A. Front door.
B. Back door.

This could be meshed into the story so player is not like some sort of reader of the story but the MC themselves, this could be changed into.

After scouting for some time, now is time to formulate a plan to carry out this attack and finally settle on :

A. Frontal assault, because why bother it’s working so far.

B. More subtle approach, insert name here is not to be underestimated.

  1. I think option to choose RO gender could also be done in similar way, even during others POV.

Instead of picking male/female it can be done in observation mode maybe add some description along with option.
For example :

Inspector see a

A. Young lady, no more than 23 years old standing at the door.

B. Young man, no more than 23 years old standing at the door.

After picking then author can go into detail of explaining who this person is, their name, occupation and general info about the person.

  1. Just a suggestion about powers, might want to diverse a bit, since regeneration and superhuman both is about physical prowess and the fight scene also almost similar for speed and teleport, why not invest few mind power like force field or telekinetic? manipulation power or maybe alteration power so it adds more diversity? So the option feel varied each telling different thing or maybe make MC power choice not the same as their enemies like Valkyrie power is identical if MC choose superhuman, might also want to explore power that rarely being told, like imagination, summon, density control, transformation power, energy manipulation, poison touch, absorption, clone/multiplication, nullifying power, evolution, reality altering, etc, many alternative for something truly unique heck why not grow more limbs like tentacle as well that certainly unique.
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The government is actually corrupt unlike the old demo so some of the things MC says is true now. I’m just glad the game is more focused on justice instead of powered rights and some people actually supported us instead of complete hate

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Exactly who wants to be A small fish in a pond anyway

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All governments are corrupt. Money spins the world.

Vanguard is at fault.

Do i need to kill all those people? No. I also thought back door was stealth moves. Also faster than that heroine. So shouldn’t been a problem avoiding guards.

Im just as bad as Nexus Corp ‘heroes’ according to this prologue.

Murdering murderers makes more murderers.

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My main point was they wasn’t as awful as MC made it out to be in previous version of the game since they actually cared about people dying compared to now where they were more concerned about politics and stuff instead damage cause by powered fights

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I dunno about previous version but, as for now MC is not better than them, MC kinda kill everyone here at least in the enemy side.

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I hated the prior edition. Except the heroes were decent, yes. Technically, I still hate it.

My biggest issue isn’t the heroes, company heroes and etc. It’s a player agency. There are no options to let players decide how to feel or go about things. It’s a novel.

The heroes can be Homelanders. That isn’t an issue for me.

Plus, it’s written like we are all men.

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Hi, author! So I took a code dive, and I think surfing through this wiki should be helpful:

People have an issue with pronouns flip flopping between male and female, and when I checked the code I understood the flip flops were because you were using *if statements to differentiate between male and female, which may make it harder to spot errors.

There’s a much easier way to do this by using variables [if you check out the link above]

This can also stop the word count from being artificially inflated, as the same scenes are being re-pasted with different pronouns. Best of luck!

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You do know most of the game is still prologue right. How many IF has prologue that gives you choices? Most prologue explains how you got into that situation and usually there’s nothing you can do to change the outcome.

From what I see it’s probably not about the outcome but how player act in doing it.

It may not change MC fight with Valkyrie or death of MC parents or the outcome of the fight in mansion, but MC probably can decide if they want to kill the terrorist or maybe just incapacitated them, making their vigilante career less bloody or not.

The bully probably have to die I can understand that because MC can be reported if not, okay make sense, but the mall fight I think it be better if MC show more restraint not just killing every terrorist, maybe just knock them cold, instead being predetermined to kill everyone, kill some because threaten civilians maybe, but to kill one that already broken and willing to surrender maybe a bridge too far since MC aspire to be better heroes than the “heroes” Personally it just feel inconsistent if MC act that way.

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Yeah the MC went crazy against that bully with that mess but I think the MC lost it too soon without feeling anything. I mean of course our power had to be kept secret but no signs of guilt or regret for murder seems unrealistic at that point since what we did was the same as parents killer even if we hated the bully. I wonder if it will be discovered one day by police now our face was leaked

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I doubt there is murder case because police doesn’t even have the body or evidence of foul play, MC’s bully may just be filed as missing person.

About the remorse it can go either way, depend entirely on MC, I think this is a good choice to be presented to player let player decide how their MC act, will it be a sudden emotional burst because the heat of the moment in this case they will feel remorse or MC already turn into psychopath because of broken childhood thus not having remorse, either way is realistic if we read the story.

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Exactly we just need both reactions to be a choice. It just felt my MC was forced to be a psycho right there. I know the case is unlikely to be brought up but I was just things out there. As for the mall fight even knocking them out or incapacitating them could of been an option especially since they are guys with no powers

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If you guys are talking about choices I would like a choice to just be in for the mc’s revenge. Where the whole justice schtick, while needing to be more effective and more mindful of collateral damage than nominal “heroes” is ultimately just a convenient ploy to get the public on his side and he’s smart enough to know he needs the public on his side to take on the elite.

The bully may have been an act of rage, revenge and a bit of teenage stupidity but what doesn’t sit well with me is how casually adult mc murders the ordinary human guards. The narration also indicates the bully had lethal intent towards the mc too in that fight, so had the super powers not chosen to activate mc would have been killed. So the bully would be justifiable self-defence if the mc had been of a better social class and the police would have cared about even a word mc said that is what it would have been. Since the mc knows the police would love nothing better than to make him the guilty party and that they do not care about people like him the actions after the fight are also very understandable.
However, after the time skip when we play an older mc (early to mid-twenties, I guess) who is said to be in better control of their powers things begin to unravel a bit for me.
Sure other supes who stand in his way, no mercy for them, ordinary humans I’d like a chance for mc to at least try to tackle them non-lethally, which would further set mc apart from the official heroes who do not care about collateral damage at all.

I further think this WIP could benefit from a lot more choices, even fake ones, as others have said and from a bit more filling in. Maybe a few more scenes in the orphanage and at school showing the mc’s shit life before super powers that might give us a reason to really hate that bully and flesh out mc’s personality a bit more.

And after school but before the timeskip maybe also a few more scenes of mc learning to control and develop their powers while living their, likely shitty, young adult civilian life that could also serve to flesh out the world-building and the background of the setting a bit more.

Mc can already stand up to her and survive, not many people heck almost no supes can do that to homelander in the Boys. I think that means that given the same level of training and resources mc would probably have an even chance to beat this universe’s homelander. Anyway the end of the demo shows that might be true and that it has the powers that be proper scared.

In short I think this story and the world it is set in have potential but both the mc and the world could use a bit more fleshing out and one or two more genuinely branching paths to make this a choice game instead of a VN without pictures.

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