I, the Forgotten One Release Thread (1.2)

At respect 4+ he’s trying to commit suicide by Marshal in Chapter 10, because he is sincerely regretful of what he almost succeeded in doing to Elya and the Marshal and believes his death is the best way to atone. He also gives back the sketchbook/journal, and states that it felt wrong to pry into it. However, he’s got a hard time understanding why neither of them accept his apologies, if he survives the final ā€œfightā€.
At respect 1, he’s spoiling for a fight. He also doesn’t regret the Marshal’s near-death at Rade’s hands, but does regret Elya’s near-fate-worse-than-death. He states that he didn’t read the sketchbook/journal because he didn’t think anything of value was in it. In this particular run he died slowly at the Marshal’s hands so I don’t know how he feels about prison.
Does anyone want to share the low-respect survival reaction and the middling respect confrontation and prison? As well as what happens in Chapter 10 if he lacks one of his eyes?

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Am I the only one who’s wondering if the gorilla warfare option should be available for everybody? This is something that every MC has had some experience with, now that I think more about it, it doesn’t quite make sense how only a tactics marshal gets the option.

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You dont get a checkpoint with the tactics options and miss out on a bunch of the achievements

No, since you’ve whittled his forces down Rade heads for his holdings to resupply and rebuild.

That’s, sadly, correct. Guerilla warfare is overall poorer option. I figure it might be good alternative for the players who didn’t manage to gather enough forces to successfully face Rade head on, but that’s about it.

Vedran suicides in this scenario, because he’s already pretty much dead thanks to the rot.

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No, since you’ve whittled his forces down Rade heads for his holdings to resupply and rebuild.

This means you can’t get Total Loyalty achievement, right? If I recall, actually handing Rade his ass in open battle contributes to vassal loyalty in the end.

That’s, sadly, correct. Guerilla warfare is overall poorer option. I figure it might be good alternative for the players who didn’t manage to gather enough forces to successfully face Rade head on, but that’s about it.

Welp, time to brainstorm the optimal way to doing this run, then. Tactics would still probably be paramount to maximize Nado’s asskicking, but a Cannae is more or less not going to happen with the nobility in Wrido being alerted to Sobik’s death ahead of time…

What options increase Mira respect?

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How to make great damage to Rade after burning Tents in final battle ?

First, apologize for informing Elya of Sobik’s death (in defiance of her order. Whether said order was a good idea is another matter entirely). Don’t disrespect her or throw barbs prior. Then, when you find her drinking in the cellar, admit to hating her (which is easy—I doubt she’s anyone’s favorite character), but don’t choose any other options that are insulting or unkind (for example, don’t say she smells of death or that you hope Sobik’s actions hurt her). Look to Mira to comfort Elya after her breakdown upon receiving the plague news while on the March (I don’t do this because comforting Elya/having Mira comfort her lowers her strength). Accept Mira’s condolences post-Atiming and think that ā€œit’s a startā€. You have to have 3 respect up to this point to get her to begin to understand the meat grinder she and Sobik sent the Marshal into and give condolences, and you have to respond politely (for one Mira point) in the first phase of the conversation—you cannot yell her or be explicitly annoyed by her (if you do this you will be on the path to punching her, which does have opportunities to de-escalate, but the Mira point is lost). I am unsure if the choices that ask how the Marshal feels about her being alright after the betrayal/her alcoholism becomes visible affect her respect level of not. I’m also unsure how the chapter 10 responses affect her respect level (don’t kill Vedran, or tell her to fuck off or KHS, obviously).

On an unrelated note, I had a horrible thought about Mira, Belos, and Vedran. Mira drank a lot to cope with being forced to treat the Marshal as her own child, and there is no mention of her avoiding drinking when she was pregnant with the twins. Could Belos and Vedran possibly have FASD (fetal alcohol spectrum disorder)? While they don’t have any facial/body features consistent with FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome), they may have organ abnormalities (granted, Belos doesn’t live long enough to be affected and Vedran might not, depending on the playthrough), they both do have poor executive functioning (and it’s unknown if they had learning difficulties despite having much better tutors than the Marshal). FASD is a spectrum, so an individual doesn’t have to express all traits of FASD to have it. I assume that she cut back significantly after maiming the Marshal, which is why Elya is healthy and seems to have good reasoning skills with the information given to her and otherwise seems like an intelligent girl (she canonically handles Ciril’s court very well, and any court is a very difficult social environment that requires intelligence and charm to effectively navigate). Did @Bacondoneright do that on purpose? Or am I just giving an armchair diagnosis?

That’s true, and I know that. However I highly doubt Mira was only drinking small beer/diluted wine. I also had a guess as to why the Marshal wasn’t more quietly revealed as a bastard as a much younger child when Belos and Vedran were born (and then being made the first member of a cadet branch of House Stiedry, as someone upthread suggested would be optimal for Sobik to do with the Marshal rather than dishonoring them), if the FASD theory is true: Belos and Vedran had developmental delays, and possibly low birth weight and feeding/sleeping difficulties as babies/toddlers (which are FASD symptoms), and Sobik wanted insurance of a healthy heir of sound mind.

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Given the fact that she seems to have a deep love for her actual children, my guess is she significantly limited her drinking or went full cold turkey when she got pregnant. I’m of the opinion that she actually started drinking heavier after she maimed the MC rather than before. I hate to say it but Mira (within the contextual view of her own children) Is actually a really caring mother. Is she a good mom/person no. However she does deeply care about her own children to a significant degree of forcing herself to go on a war march just to take care of/protect Elya, and then when you capture Vedren the first thing she does is to try and go see him.

Edit: I looked it up out of curiosity of the topic since I knew that during the Medieval era it was discouraged to drink water typically because it brought about unhealthy diseases so alcohol was usually wiser to have. It seems the most typical drink to have while pregnant was highly diluted wine/beer to where the actual alcohol content was small

If you mean the bleed them dry achievement you need to burn the tents during guerilla warfare, have a good amount of light cav (you need a troop number of 125 i’m not sure what that translates to however in terms of recruit numbers ). Be aggressive with your attacks and focus the supply lines.

Lol, yes she’s not a good person by any standard. However she also recognizes this herself and knows that what she did to the MC was wrong. She admits to such during the first time you see her when she’s drinking by herself. My guess is that if you have a high amount of respect with Mira she’ll step forward to try and help you get rehonoured and admit that she falsely brought that punishment upon you.

That’s fair, it can be viewed from both angles and honestly i’m on the fence about it myself. Personally I categorize her firmly as someone who is made from her circumstances and broke under expectations vs. her own wants. But i’m generally inclined to believe what she says to the MC as in all reality they are the only one Mira can be completely honest to. They both have a mutual dislike of one another and she could never tell Belos, Vedran, or Elya how much she hates her husband because they all seem to genuinely like him. The only one who would mutually have dislike towards Sobik would be the one child who personally suffered at his hands.

We don’t really know. However most political marriages were often loveless and she herself says she loved someone else when she did get married.

Lol yeah, it definitely is difficult to play any sort of MC who seems to be nice towards Mira. However at the same time you could look at it (If you play as a highly compassionate MC) that Sobik broke Mira just like he broke the MC.

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For me, Mira is real evil Mum

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Well ,I don’t think she can change.From story,She love only her own child.I mean she know she want Marshall help Elya become queen and As long as Elya is Queen,She can feel generous help MC re-honored.IWhatever she speak with Marshall is not honest and hard to trust for me Well…That my opinion
And My plan for taking revenge on her is kill all her own child and destroy Elya.That evil plan haha

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I personally have a lot of empathy for Mira. But that’s me. It’s insane to expect the marshal to want anything for her other than a slow death. Something only held back by some love they might bear Elya and not wanting her to have to watch her mother die like they were forced to.

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Does Sobik not love Mira ?

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You do not tend to chronically cheat on a woman you genuinely care about, no.

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Betray ending remind me what happen in Witcher 3 : Blood an WIne .tragedy between Synna and Anna .

How do you get a high veteran presence?

I hate her, my MC hates her, but he’s also extremely professional, and doesn’t allow his emotions to interfere, which is why he’s basically respectful to everybody, including her. It’s why he can be respectful to her to her face and learn her side of the story while also mentally complaining that she hasn’t died yet.

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@Bacondoneright this from chapter 2:
You follow the voice to its owner and find it to be a man around forty-five years of age. ā€œDarin!ā€ you cry. Your voice echoes around the enclosed space.
Isn’t he supposed to be 53 now?
Also, this, one of the sentences seems to have been cut off

Just to confirm, are they ā€œEriansā€ or ā€œErisians?ā€ Or are they two entirely different people? Seeing at least one instance (e.g. Ch. 2, when Belos is hearing that Rade used to be called the Butcher, the people in question are called ā€œEriansā€) where there might be discrepancies.

Also, the part at the Huntsman’s Respite where you ask Darin questions seems to have a slightly outdated response to an updated question. The question ā€œSo, when you’d become a captain?ā€ still seems to give a response from Darin tailored to the old alpha question that iirc went more something like ā€œYou tell me, captain.ā€ Correct me if I’m wrong here.

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In the current game the conversations can vary and how they go towards the end but i suspect if he is alive in the second game then there may well be something to happen in relation to it.

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