Community College Hero 2: Knowledge is Power (Would a Game Guide for CCH1 & 2 be helpful? post 1941)

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I’m not sure if I’ll allow a straight up “villain” path or not. That would add a huge amount of coding and storytelling to transition the MC from a wide-eyed 19 year enjoying a college experience to evil/villain in just a matter of two years of “story time.”

When I type that and consider it more, I’m even more certain that I won’t go down that path. Badass hero who sometimes kills villains to protect others/get revenge? Sure. Become a downright evil bastard? Nah.

Yes, I’ll have to toss in some more Wyvern repercussions. With the Manipulator’s return looming, I just felt it would be realistic to avoid an in-depth analysis of the Wyvern resolution, which is rather minor when you compare it to the possibility of a dozen young people potentially getting murdered.

And the Stench armor. It will have a set appearance, but perhaps the MC might be able to tweak it a tiny bit. And no, it won’t look ridiculous (at least not in my opinion).

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Haha this made me laugh in real life.

Yep. That’s pretty much how I feel. It sums it up well.

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Hey everyone,

I’m leaving on vacation at the end of next week, and I’ll be scrambling with “day job” issues (cleaning off my desk) and family/packing issues, so my time on the forums will be limited through mid June. In fact, from June 1st until June 11th, I will be totally “off the grid.” I’m really looking forward to it!

This coming week, I’ll try to respond when people tag me, but other than that, I probably won’t be able to respond to much else.

I’m sorry I missed responding to so many comments, but I’ve been trying to balance the forums with FB messages, emails, and Patreon communications. I think I’ve spread myself a bit too thin, but it will die down soon I know. (This is why I haven’t visited the Discord site…I just don’t have time)

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It would, at the very least, be nice to get an explanation as to what made him think how he was acting was a good idea.

And with that, I honestly wouldn’t put it past the Smarts to play a major role in how the Hedonist acted in CCH 1 considering what Cali told us at the end of that one. In addition, I’d like to know how Savior operates when there aren’t any guests around. Do the teachers and students use their, what I’m going to call, public personas at Savior? Looking at how Cali acts at Speck, both him and Hedonist may have been ‘encouraged’ to use their public personas.

As an end note: I don’t think Hedonist is as loyal to Savior now as he was in CCH 1.

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Which thing did Cali tell us at the end? (been playing another game and things get crossed sometimes)

Also I agree completely that they’re using ‘public personas’. If you’re a teachers pet for Hedonist, I think you see kinda glimpses of “Oh jeesh fine let me put on this act for these people looks at the MC and rolls eyes can you even believe this?”

I think the most honest, 100% true to his real character Hedo gets in the game is in the end where he realizes Capt. Cali is in trouble, and he’s trying to convince himself his students can handle things. All the bravado kinda washes away and he realizes people may die. Never got anything like that with Cali, which is why he still makes me wary. I like when we can see the teachers as human.

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Cali tells us… if we ask him about why he suddenly dropped the surfer lingo, that the whole thing is an act, and that Savior ‘likes’ to be involved with people entirely life, especially the hero part and public image, from apparance to public persona. IIRC he even notes that he’s not to keen on it.
All in all savior seems to have this whole ‘fit in a neat little box (we think best for you) or perish’, while prestige is the ‘everyone must be a good little soldier’ approach. Speck is the only one who seems to focus on what one can do best, what they could do, and how to nurture people as individuals, all flaws included.

@Lux_Inferni it’d be interesting to check how Hedy’s language and speech pattern changes between CCH1 and 2. I think he uses ‘pleasure’ etc far far less in 2. The only instance I can actually think of is when he dies and says (with a bit of gallows humor) that it’s been a pleasure meeting the MC. or something to the amount.

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OH. I’ll tell ya, I never asked him about it. The way it was written, I was worried he’d be like, “And how is THAT important right now?” And being at the end of the game, I never risked it. Just might do that next time.

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So I’ve played a couple of times, but I can’t seem to get the scene where it references Hedy as the sugar daddy? Like where am I going wrong? Is it before Savior, after, during the end?

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It doesn’t as such reference him as that, but if you’re his pet and you kill the wyvern he’ll arrange for you to get off scotfree

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Ah.

Well that would be why I didn’t get it. I didn’t kill him.

Thanks!

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@LadyColossus any specific reason on why you dont kill Wyvern in your playthroughs?

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@TheGoodRebel

I just didn’t think it fit well into her character. I did a charmer, tactician path on my first, where I had high stats for basically everyone but Tress and Cal. In that playthrough, I was very pro-Speck, (because I’d like to punch Booksmart and Mega Cat hasn’t really done anything to warrant favour) and it seemed out of character for someone so determined to get along with people, and not be like her father, to kill someone.

For my second playthrough, I was detective with a joker personality, trying to get powers and high Saviour mentality. It also didn’t seem appropriate for someone who was so light hearted to go full vengeance in a snap. Also, Booksmart doesn’t seem to like killing, and even Hedy was like “This lady pisses me off, and has killed several people, but we we need her alive,” so I figured trying to please their morals was important.

I have a soldier file still to follow through, I suppose I’m going to the Dr. Stench armour and being pro-Mega Cat (since it seems to fit with the traditionalist persona). I would consider killing in that file, since it seems like CP is following more in their dad’s footsteps that way.

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but wasn’t it quite a big deal that the mc’s dad never killed someone?

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I’m not sure, but there are glimpses in her memory, like he had the tech to, and maybe even her mom was pro-killing some of the people, if I remember the scene properly. So since I chose task-master mom, who believes in going one step further all the time, it would make sense for CP to go down that road, given the right circumstances

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@Abe
@michellexylee

Wombat scratches his head with a finger the size of a baby’s bottle. “Professor, I must warn you that the Wondrously Original Mobile Brute with Advanced Tech, popularly referred to as W.O.M.B.A.T., is composed of a carbon and iron alloy heavier and more durable than steel. I don’t wish to harm you.”

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…i already mentioned that i know Combat Wombat’s WOMBAT is an acronym. Querida responded that he also based it on the animal wombat and so i need to reread CCH1 and CCH2.

Also, is it reasonable for me not to 100% trust the PC’s mom? i mean she was partners with Dr. Stench/Dad. Who knows what other secrets she is keeping.

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I don’t trust her. In CCH1, it literally says she was the mastermind, setting up everything for him

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No it hasn’t said that actually and I just replayed to check.
@Abe She was never his partner they were just married.

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Something I’ve noticed from the first game that kind of has something to do with this is how the MC is subtly singled out by the professors. I guess it’s just hinting at you losing or gaining relationship points with that professor, but it’s just little out of the way things like:

  • If you lose against Mob/Synergy she’ll shake her head in disappointment with no nod of approval for the other group mentioned. Vice versa if you win against him.
  • If you raise your hand in defense class Hedonist seems to be pretty happy. If you don’t, he isn’t that pleased and will pointedly raise an eyebrow and say, “I see I have some work to do with some of you. That’s okay. I don’t mind a challenge.”
  • In Nil’s class, depending on how much you study your partner, their pleasedness or displeasedness toward the MC is pointed out.

It’s most obvious when it’s Downfall and Hedonist. With Nil it’s kind of hard to tell after the first class, just a nagging feeling more or less. I think McCormick is the only professor that doesn’t really do that unless you fail a test or side with Crook in an argument. Quite frankly, reading it in the context of a novel instead of a game, it’s unnerving. Well, it’s only slightly less unnerving in the context of a game.

Going back to Hedonist, I think in the end he is torn between helping Cali and staying with the Speck students to protect them. It seems to come down to the MC to make the decision for him, if you don’t speak up he won’t entertain the idea of going to help Cali. If you do speak up, he’ll reluctantly go help Cali, even speaking up because you’re concerned about his safety will give you a relationship boost with him. I think it says a lot about how Hedonist thinks of the MC regardless of how low the relationship stat is.
Well, I’ve just realized why the scene where Hedonist saves Tress and Dr. Hover after Wyvern attacked Dr. Hover bothered me.

I think he uses it less too and I don’t think he’s as handsy as he was in CCH 1. What I find interesting is the two instances (that I’m aware of) he refers to the MC as pet. The first time, during the Dr. Hover scene, it feels intentional and flirty? I don’t know how else to describe it and there isn’t enough in that part to get a strong feeling sooo… Yeah. The second time, when the MC kills Wyvern, feels a lot more intimate (not necessarily in a romantic or sexual way), absentminded, and more like a term of endearment.
I think it was about teaching the MC and if you don’t have the pet achievement it’s something along the lines of failing the MC. The non-achievement last words responses are more interesting to me.

Something else I find interesting is that you can gain and lose relationship points with Hedonist right before he dies. It makes me wonder what plans are for a dead Hedonist in CCH 3 and if we’ll be able gain or lose points after his death like Origami.

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…your mother worked as the brains of the operation, planning out alibis and other distractions months in advance of your father’s capers.

Brains of the operations seems to mirror mastermind to me. And in CCH2, you can make her the ultimate task master, where she’s curt and always striving for an edge above those around her.

Her judgement towards “community college” is pretty severe for some people (though my own mother is a strong resemblance to that persona), and while she does take CP aside and says that she supports them, it’s odd then that she wouldn’t divulge any information about her husband and his inventions, all the planning and scheming she had to do, or anything. I get the feeling from CP’s flashbacks that her mom is tight lipped, possibly to not incriminate herself, though our MC does not voice this.

Ever since Dad’s death, Mom has refused to talk about his criminal career.
“…your father’s career killed him. It put us both in danger. We have to leave that chapter behind us—and I won’t talk to you about this ever again. Ever.”

After all, if she truly supported her child being a non-zenith hero, wouldn’t she want said child to have the best upgrades to keep one step ahead? Ie: The new suit? Surely, if she was helping him, she’d have an idea where it would be?

And based on this capsule, he was more highly skilled than you ever realized.
It dawns on you that Dad didn’t just use existing gases for his gun; he created his own formulas. And he must have been a lot smarter than you ever realized.

Personally I think she’s sketch. In all versions of her, she’s supportive of a criminal husband, who, though not out to kill people, is endangering himself, his family, and many others, because they’ve exploited privilege? And then all of a sudden, he gets caught, after telling his child about what he was doing, and then is all “nah, my kid can’t handle having a criminal father, he is out of our life, let’s pretend everything that happened was all his fault.”

Just my thoughts, I hope this doesn’t come across as aggressive.

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