Thank you, but would i have to go up north first because i tried everything that involves agility and the option is still grayed out.
Oh yes, I think Iāve kissed Jesse. Ugh, heās such an asshole though. I love-hate him as much as itās possible to love-hate a fictional character - and at this point itās become a personality trait. And itās weird that out of all my MCs, this one ended up being straight, so no Becard, Clotho, or Estefania for my Maya.
Hey, hey, Iām not asking for commitment from that guy. And I agree that mass sacrifices arenāt cool. But holy crap have you seen the guy? Iād unleash his inner wolf any day. ( Ķ”Ā° ĶŹ Ķ”Ā°)
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No Annie either?
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I swear Iām not trying to be greedy, as I know there is already a scene when the governor visits where you can propose feeding with Hiram at the beer garden. Unfortunately, it appears before my MC can reveal her vegetarianism. So she can never feed with him then.
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The bearded lady?
I meanā¦Iām sure she is a lovely person butā¦beard.
So, my guy is just flirting with Whiters, Ashmore and Estefania without committing to any of them.
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Oh my god, who is Annie? Why are you writing faster than I can read? (Just kidding, youāre amazing, the series is amazing, please keep writing! <3)
Oh yes! Awww, Hiram is such a sweetie. Gosh I miss him so much. :-(( Gotta do a replay. I wonder if weāll ever meet his nephew? (I want to say Tommy; I hope Iām not wrong). After all that happened, itāll be relieving to make sure heās all right.
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Hahahahaha! Oh my, is she the lady from the fair? Wait, doesnāt she already have a drunk husband she likes to wallop with a pan? Now I have to romance her just for the sake of romancing a sexy bearded lady. Yes Jason, my straight MC just became heteroflexible for Annie!
Edit: My God, this game is crazy good. Reading every sentence is like biting into a delicious chocolate cake. All though maybe some are too well-written and I could do without the vivid images - cough the Native American grandmotherās funeral cough.
On my replay, Iāve decided I donāt want my MC to be Westās lover. Fuck that crazy bastard. He rejects religion and superstition, but he fears the cross and looks to the stars for answers. And he believes in the Ragnarok.
My head-canon that my MC resents him for having created her was further cemented by this interaction:
I donāt think Iāll ever be a good enough fighter to be able to confront him during that final scene, but I sure as hell look forward to killing the guy.
But the latest thing that has me interested is that, when youāre in St Charles, you can legit āclaimā a home for yourself from the wilderness. This is so freaking wild because we were discussing John Lockeās theory of property - and how mixing labour with land somehow makes that land your own - and calling it absolutely bonkers. But it actually worked in the US a few centuries ago! My MC is just going to clear out an area of the forest, build a shack, and then say, āHere, this is mine,ā and EVERYONE is going to be okay with it! 
If thereās a history nerd in here, can you please tell me if private property existed as a concept before the colonists settled? And when the state decided to make all forests and unowned land its own property?
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Thereās an achievement related to that. One about designing the perfect estate if I remember correctly.
DOO EEETTTT ! ! ! ! !
Found this: https://mises.org/wire/did-indians-understand-concept-private-property
Might answer your first question.
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This was such an interesting read, thank you! Hehe, and they even brought Locke in to explain how communal property could be considered a form of private property. Oof, calling Native Americans āIndiansā is all sorts of confusing, however. Forces actual Indians to use the more vague term āSouth Asianā when googling our own history. And now Iām offended on behalf of both myself and my Choctaw MC.
I love how both ancient non-European cultures just chilled in (mostly) communal harmony, engaging in subsistence farming and foraging, until the colonists barged in, took our lands, and then offered to sell it back to us at exorbitant prices. And at least we got to throw them out. I canāt even imagine Memeskiaās pain - seeing an entire civilisation torn down and displaced. No wonder heās such a wolf. But an interesting wolf at that, because heās only one for white populations. He wouldnāt have ordered the burning down of the hospital in St Louis had it had persons of colour.
But aaarrgghhhh, someone tell me more about West! He predates the colonists but heās of European origin. How did he come to the USA? @jasonstevanhill I need answers please. Donāt make us wait until book 8 to tell us where vampires came from.
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I think West came along with the Vikings who landed on America.
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Thank you so much! I did not know the Vikings found their way to the Americas.
And now Iāve browsed through the entire thread and discovered thereās something about an ancient vampire called Tryphon and my mind boggles with the lore already available to us. :-(( Thereās just so much to do. I couldnāt even get my hands on this unreadable text from Bowater everyoneās talking about.
I wouldnāt describe the pre-colonial Americas as an idyllic paradise. At the very least, thatās not the angle that Iām taking on it in my game.
More to the point, we have to be extremely careful about assertions about pre-colonial Native Americans.
One of my favorite stories about the colonists is that, some nine months after the pilgrims landed in Plymouth, a Native by the name of Samoset sauntered into town and addressed them in Englishāand asked them for beer. Itās also worth noting that the reason the pilgrims werenāt slaughtered immediately upon landing is because an epidemic, most likely of European origin, had killed most of the Natives in the area that they settled in.
Even before that, you have Cahokia, which was bigger than London from about 1050 to 1250, before it suddenly collapsed. It was the beating cultural heart of the Mississippi floodplain, erecting massive mounds (earthwork pyramids), organizing massive religious ceremonies, and trading with distant cultures. (I personally suspect that the elite of Cahokia were refugees from Teotihuacan, with a brief stop in Caddo.)
Over the course of a few hundred years, you have the collapse of Cahokia, the introduction of European diseases, followed by the plague of hogs, and thatās all before the colonists get close enough to say āhowdy!ā
What private property looked like prior to the decimation of the population by disease and invasive species is simply unknowable. And to observe the customs of property in the 1800s and extrapolate or project backwards several hundred years seems unwise. (Though, tbh, I would expect nothing less from the Mises Institute.)
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If Iām remembering correctly the new Governor that appears in chapter/volume 4 is a broodmate of his. She also has some information about him.
Yes, this I agree with. āDifferentā does not mean ābetterā, both pre- and post- colonialism. And I wouldnāt presume to know this much history of my own country (especially the urban civilisations established around 1500 BCE that seemed to communicate in symbols). Itās too bad nothing was properly documented for posterity. Most of my information about pre-Colonial American history stems from Choice of the Vampire and Wikipedia.
Oof! But this makes sense too, in the context of both the Americas and other ancient (or even mediaeval) cultures. I did particularly enjoy the bits where the white folks decided it was more likely that aliens built the Cahokia mounds than the Native Americans.
Anyway, this is too much. Iāve decided I will exclusively focus on petty politics and personal enrichment while being a nice olā opportunist. I even like Jesse now! His backstory is so sad and his helpful tips helped me share in Carothersā burden so he could hold on to the last vestiges of humanity and not kill Dido. But speaking of politics, there was a point in the Memphis elections where my MC managed to convince Lesczynski to throw his support behind Malloy but in later parts, he continues to sit with the other two candidates.
And finally, I found a bug where I had initially rented that cheap basement place but, after Bailey told me it was his area, I relocated to East St Louis. At this point, I was told that āThomasā was grumbling about having to make the trek to my new place but I never even hired him! And later on, I kept getting treated as though I were still staying with the landlady (her son threatened Franklin and we had to kill him and pretend he overdosed, she asked us to eat with everyone else at one point, etc.) I didnāt take screenshots of any of these, sorry!
Ooh, Gudhrun? Thank you so much for the information! Guess Iāll be trying to befriend her too. :-))
Get him to kill his own daughter.
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Hahaha! I was actually disappointed because in my last playthrough, I got him to reveal himself as her half-brother, but I didnāt do anything else to help him (besides planning a reception that was very āmehā.) The only difference between that playthrough and my most recent one was that I planned a better reception and got the ārefreshmentsā for the party. Itās so strange being vegan and playing this game, because ultimately, it all feels almost equally wrong, and drinking from animals feels painful.
Ooh, speaking of drinking from animals, was Calkins a āvegetarianā vampire?
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The guy from Vicksburg? I believe he is/was. I think you need to pass a perception/stealth check to see him or with enough shapeshifting one of the horses tells you.
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Yes, the horses did tell me he was drinking from them! I just wasnāt sure if he was doing it to slowly sap the army of its strength or if he was a vegetarian. Interesting, so at this point, too, the MC should be able to learn about āvegetarianismā, if our dominus hasnāt told us already. Anyway, thank you!
Wow, thatās good to know! Oof, how exhausting must the branching be!
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And earlier on if you talk to Therese when she asks your Dominus for help.
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So, the only way to know spanish are from being spanish yourself or choosing west as your dominus?
So far, yes.