an Advice If there is a stat a leader shouldn’t have low is Empathy. Don’t let the name fools you. IT IS THE STAT THAT LET’S YOU KNOWN WHEN PEOPLE LIES AND have a problem or something. The changes in scenes with low and high are IMMENSE If you want be cheated abused and have worst results ever from alliances have low empathy. Empathy doesn’t mean hug trees means knowledge of human behavior and psychology
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I don’t need high empathy for that, as far as I’m aware everyone is lying trying to get something.
Paranoia for the win.
So how can we get Rosie as RO I never hot the option unless it’s more of a fling like Gina.
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She’ll be available from Part 1/2 onwards (I think) for lesbian MCs when Jim has finished Part 3.
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Well in a way empathy is an emotional instinct that allows us to relate with other human beings, so if you have high empathy, you relate a lot to other humans and that means you can understand their problems better.
Now someone with high empathy wouldn’t be manipulating people though, cause, they’d feel bad.
They probably could have renamed this skill “psychology” or something, cause psychopaths have no empathy yet they know very well how people work.
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Can’t you convince him ? I’m not sure I remember cause I’m holding out on playing the game for now until It’s fully released but I think you can convince Tommy robbing the house is necessary.
I feel like that scenario happens if you say something that pisses him off and he’s no longer interested in being generous or kind towards you because you’ve lost his trust.
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I think there is even a study that says people who survive life threatening situations become very close very fast.
Also nothing forces people to be mature like natural selection, so in a way, I’m not condoning it, but yes there would probably be a lot of sex that would be considered “immoral” in today’s society, which it is.
Cause you know, we’re living, not surviving.
Although I do think in today’s society people who are attracted to people much younger than themselves have more chance to be abusive, because the younger person is “inferior” to them, and the abuser don’t please older or same age people as successfuly as younger ones.
I’m just speculating though.
Although most women go for older men and most men go for younger women, but if the age gap is big, well.
I’m guessing it depends on if the the person has already reached maturity or not.
I wouldn’t say age difference HAVE TO make a person abusive though.
So… You convince him to trust you again ? I would have to play again, but I think he trusted me and I just told him, we have to search this place, and he was like well ok.
I’m really not sure though, can’t really remember.
Oh I saw one of your earlier comments, so yes he gives you permission.
To be honest though, even though it might make him like you less, looting an entire house is too important.
Pretty sure you can make it up to him later.
So you manipulated him by telling him you needed to search the place just so you can loot his supplies ? Also, no you can’t convince him to trust you again once you’ve pissed him off because he won’t show up at the end of part 1. What I was saying is you’d only need to convince him to let you loot his house if you already said one thing to piss him off and you were trying not to say another thing to loose his gratitude and trust entirely. Other than that, I don’t see there being a reason to “convince” him to let you loot his house when he gives you permission to do so as a sign of gratitude for trying to help save his mother and making a good effort to comfort him without doing or saying something that would infuriate him.
I don’t think I believe that, I think people can still have a decent amount of empathy and still manipulate you, they just come up with a justification for their actions so it doesn’t burden their conscience. The MC can do this in part 2 as it relates to choosing not to reveal the murder of someone to the rest of the group so they don’t panic and start distrusting one another.
I just didn’t remember, nah he trusted me and I looted his house cause he gave me permission, I wouldn’t have done it otherwise.
The thing is that empathy makes you feel good, and encourages cooperation, It’s why evolution favored empathetic human, now I believe most people if in deep trouble will forget their empathy for self-preservation, but people do help other people in time of needs, I just think we aren’t used to survival situations anymore so fear controls us in dangerous situation, and fear>empathy.
But if we didn’t help each other, especially in ancient times, empathy wouldn’t have prevailed, and probably would have been lost in natural selection.
Now why that big rant ? Because what you are describing are actually sociopaths, people with very little empathy (which is genetic, people often say sociopath are made and psychopaths are born which is not true) which means they don’t have enough empathy to not do what they wanna do, but they have enough empathy to feel guilt, which from my personal experience, guilt turns to anger.
(I’m not a sociopath, I’m talking from past friendships)
Now I don’t have enough data to prove my point, but I believe, people with high empathy, will not really be able to “manipulate” someone, because the guilt would be too much, and they wouldn’t be able to live with themselves, whereas someone with low empathy will still feel guilt, but be able to justify themselves.
I kinda went on a rant I think but I hope you’ve seen my point.
EDIT: can someone tell me how you quote someone properly ? I suck at this xD
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Hm seems I accidently muted this thread. That explains the strange thing that no one was posting, I just could not see it. 
so I am back
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Coming from a family with a lot of health care professionals, people with high empathy do frequently use it to manipulate people. The difference, perhaps, is that empathy would be manipulating for the person’s own good, not your own.
I think the persuasion skill would be the one more leaning toward manipulation success in your own self-interest.
That said, an MC with high empathy or high persuasion (or go for the jackpot and combine those) has an easier time with emotionally damaged characters like Tommy and Driver (to note another less stable one) if you keep toward the “chivalry” choices. That’s not saying you can’t snag them other ways, since Tommy is responsive to revenge and Driver to commanding personalities, but if you’re wanting the chivalry route, you’re making it a tougher climb without at least some smaller investment in people skills. It’s the beauty of the game, that there’s more than one route to get at least the same basic accomplishment.
You can actually get a more stable character out of Driver even, if you avoid the more dominating people skills (leadership/intimidation) and aim the “softer” ones. I kinda shocked myself on a play through with that, as I’d previously written him off as not being able to do much with until the next installment, if that. Probably helps that I find Jillian pretty much dead weight and stopped catering to her hangups.
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Since one playthrough where she pushed the nephew, I do not care a single bit about jillian. Most times I don’t even Open the door for her and Lyle. Or I invite them in, to Rob or kill them. 
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I haven’t had that, but yes, that would definitely ruin her further for me.
My problem with her is that she’s an unrepentant hypocrite. She pitches a massive tantrum about Driver and Rosie - even if they don’t actually harm her and Lyle - and that just rubs me the wrong way. Maybe she wasn’t being violent, only running a con, but to me, it’s worse, because she’s making her own choices, rather than her mental health manipulated by someone trusted.
I still save her, because I’m either playing too soft-hearted to abandon her or wanting an extra warm body for work and/or cannon fodder. Even the poly option isn’t worth putting up with her.
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Jill has several bad interactions with my nephew so I don’t like her anyway but if you treat bad my family And try rob me in my face… She is plainly STUPID she has terrible skills for a con. She doesn’t take attention to details has no empathy and excessive confidence in her skills who are clearly mediocre at hest. Then is hypocrisy filled and zero desire to improve or help so she is far better elsewhere as a zombie.
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All I can figure is that if she and Lyle were a pair for their cons, he was the brains of the operation and she was the distraction for him to do the actual work. My more mercenary MCs see her as potential good will for if Lyle returns as useful in the future.
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Lyle let her in the dirt so I hardly doubt she is really important for him. As a con artist player seeing someone so lame with those skills is infuriating
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Hmmm, I can see that angle now that you mention it.
None of my MCs trend toward the con artist (even my hacker), so even the more mercenary ones see it as she didn’t go with him because she knew she wasn’t welcome by his family, regardless of Lyle’s personal feelings, whereas Lyle made the choice to go find his family. Not so much left in the dirt, as they both had different priorities at the moment. (And sadly, you don’t have a choice about keeping her at that point… thanks so much Lyle. 
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Yeah, compared to the skills of the Con Artist MC, Jillian is playing checkers while we play chess when it comes to our manipulations of people. My Con Artist Emily keeps Jillian around so she can frame her if she ever needs a scapegoat or a sacrificial lamb.
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