yeah As con artist you see all tricks she tries to use all super old and lame. Then You know like Lyle is not blind and the scene is VERY WELL WRITTEN. However, makes taking Jillian seriously impossible
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Thatās not true, you still have an opportunity to get rid of her after Lyle leaves, You can bring her to the school and when she tries to kill Rosie you can just shoot her as a way to āprotect Rosieā. When in reality you just didnāt like her. Now, itās not at all a clean or moral way to get rid of her but it is still a way to get rid of her.
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Well drat. Iāve never had her try to kill Rosie. Now Iāve gotta see how that happens, just becauseā¦
She just has a screechy tantrum and a massive friendship dropā¦ but Iāve never taken her to the school as less than 70+ because sheās a clinging limpet once my MC saves her and Lyle from the bandits.
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Well my Military Commander turned Mercenary will do anything to ensure he and his nephew survive and thrive in the apocalypse even if he has to sacrifice or take other lives to do it. So he definitely might raise him that way. He already butchered Lyle & Jillian with a machete right in front of the nephew for attempting to rob them.
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I said manipulation in a negative way, didnāt really account for the positive aspect.
Do most people actually dislike Jillian ? I remember she was my first choice as romance, I do remember her kinda annoying me, (and that might change for me when the game comes out, Iām waiting for Itās full release) but she can be pretty nice towards MC.
I think the only annoying part is when she wants to kill that dude to avenge Lyle, but that would make sense, I wouldnāt blame her, canāt really remember another annoying part.
I mean, her wanting to rob me is pretty big, but I gave her a chance.
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From my POV, Jillianās the weakest link of all the NPCs. She has no survival skills and when you do interact with her, seems pretty content with that. Although thatās points for consistency on the character, at least.
Itās not the less-than-law abiding background that turns me off (even my most save-everyone-inclined MCs have had a human kill count before the house fire).
Iām a huge sucker for redemption arcs. Iām fine with Reilly, Rosie, and Driver, at least as presented thus far, and even when I saved Lyle, Rosie still shot Madison. But I just canāt yet see that redemption hook for Jillian, which makes her at best uninteresting and at worst, cannon fodder.
Although Kellyās a strong runner up for the cannon fodder job after the ending of 2-2.
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That makes me think, how do you guys play multiple choiced games ?
Do you play as yourself ? Making decisions you think you would do ? (I do)
Or do you rp a character ?
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Personally, I donāt see that as annoying at all, I think her reaction to wanting to kill Rosie and Driver is relatable given the world they live in and the chances of losing a loved one at any point in time has been increased by 100 itās something Iād take very seriously and something I wouldnāt forgive or forget and if I were in her shoes and you stopped me from avenging the death of my loved one, Iād be furious to say the least and I would not let it go. In fact Iād probably kill Rosie at some point eventually regardless of you telling me I should forgive her or accept her as a member of our group because you werenāt the person who lost a loved one or family member because of the actions of a couple of bandits and I certainly donāt see it as your place to tell me how I should feel about the person who tried to kill me and my friend or family member or who successfully murdered that person I cared about.
I never let Lyle & Jillian in during my self-insert playthrough because the whole situation and the fact that they just wander to my house at night is incredibly suspicious and shady(which I was right to trust my gut) . But on the one chance, I did let them in during that playthrough, they threatened to rob me, add that to the fact Jillian is less useful and skilled than a con artist MC, Iām left feeling annoyed/irritated by her presence.
I donāt know if most people actually find her hateful and insufferable, but given her attitude and behavior itās not that difficult to find reasons not to like her or want her in the group. Also, not everyoneās quick to forgive people who threaten to rob you when you offer them the safety of your own home and make food for them. Just like how not everyone lets Rosie and Driver live or join the group regardless of them being manipulated by Dylan.
For my first/main playthrough, I self insert but for the rest I usually role play as the characters I create.
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I play as I person I would like to be. Nice selfless, without bad opinions of other people, believing everyone can change for the better^^ I like to play goodies for most walkthroughs, as games unlike reality reward you for being nice. People realize that and like you, not try to get more and more from you, without giving a shit about you.
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Even though Jillianās my ROā¦I will admit that sheās quite lackluster.
All the other female ROās have their uses. Rachel, as secretive and manipulative as she is, is extremely skilled and you canāt deny that. Weāve already seen Madison to be a great shot and exceptional survivalist. Gina is a good shot and a great constructor and crafter. Even Bailey and Kelly, who donāt really have any skills, at least have a desire to improve and help (though Iām softer towards Bailey, since Kelly did lead a bunch of strangers to camp).
Jillian, on the other hand. Yeah, she doesnāt do much. Objectively, she is the least skilled survivor of them all. And she seems pretty content that way. From a meta perspective, I just choose her cuz I canāt get Maddie. From a roleplay perspective, I imagine my character goes āYes, she is a hypocrite, yes, she doesnāt have any noticeable skills and yes, she doesnāt want to improve in any shape or formā¦but that ass, tho.ā Heās basically just using her as a bed warmer, if nothing else. Knowing Jillian, sheād probably be content with that as well.
Who knows, maybe sheāll change. Maybe sheāll undergo serious character development-her motivation of finding someone who she can genuinely trust and love is a surprisingly wholesome one for a character like her, so that might be fleshed out later on. Maybe she might actually start to learn useful skills and, dare I say, contribute to the group.
Only real option we have is to wait and see.
I always go for RP characters. The self-insert choice just seems so boring to me-I already know who I am and what Iām like. But when I create a character from scratch, write up their background and origin story, give them hopes, dreams, insecurities, flaws and set them out onto the Safe Haven world? Itās a thing of beauty, really.
Admittedly, I despised her when I first got the game. I tend to have a natural form of contempt towards the cocky and provocative type of characters. both because of personal experiences (the people Iāve met whoāre like these are seriously shallow and self-centred, itās absolutely obnoxious) and because their personality usually ends up being nothing more than āIām attractive and I like sexā. (Daisy/Dandy from the Evertree Inn series is the pinnacle example of this). The fact that she tries to rob me doesnāt do her any favors.
But as time went on, she sort of grew on me. Donāt know how, she just did. And then I figured āHey, Jimās a damn good writer, surely he wonāt fall into the same trap as countless of other authors have, right?ā
And so, here I am, giving her a chance.
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You and me both. I donāt care if she needs food and supplies she pushed the nephew and she has to die. Not to mention she kiss my character without his permission
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Guys Iām having a hard time, how do you properly quote someone ? I wanna answer to all of you xD
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Hold down the button and mouse over the text you want to quote and itāll pop it into the reply box automatically. When you want the next set of text, just scroll up and grab it, and itāll drop it to the bottom of your existing reply.
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Holy shit this is magic
thanks xD
Anyway iāll answer you now yāall
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Oh yeah I mean totally, Itās just been a while since Iāve played so Iāve forgotten the context but yeah, now that I think about it I probably let her kill him and I didnāt think much of him.
But I think I was pissed cause I actually saved her boyfriend, yet she still wanted to kill that guy, and in that context, I felt it was not necessary, and even risky, so thatās why I was annoyed I think.
I was very careful with them, I let them in but was suspicious as hell, I decided to let them stick around because I wanted MC to get laid with Jillian (sue me)
but IRL I probably wouldnāt haven taken the risk, I dunno since I try to act as myself during those playthroughs.
I think I saved Rosie and Driver, but told them they couldnāt join the group, I didnāt wanna murder them but I canāt trust them.
You also get rewarded if you are nice in real life, but there is a difference between being nice and naive, you can be nice yet assertive and confident.
And of course you need to learn how to say no, people will use you if they donāt respect you, and I donāt even think Itās them being cruel, Itās just you not setting boundaries and most people will be unaware of your predicament.
Though of course assholes exists.
Yeah I can understand that xD, I think Itās ridiculously easy in video games how almost everyone is attracted to MC, Iām guessing you donāt need to get rejected in a video game, real life has enough of that xD
I dunno, I think, youāre the hero of your own story you know ?
When I rp a character I distance myself from the story, and I feel less than if I pretend Itās me in the story, it makes dilemmas even harder.
I think even if I know myself I would be surprised with some decisions I would take in dangerous situations.
Even though Itās just a video game, I feel like I get an even bigger glimpse into my personality that way.
I used to think like you, but I believe I became pretty arrogant myself, and because of MY personal experiences, I actually tend to prefer cocky people rather than people with very poor self-esteem.
Although I donāt think Iām an asshole, Iād have to ask loved ones xD, but confidence is really important, and I think itās better if a person is a little bit overconfident, rather than a little bit underconfident.
EDIT :
thx again, I feel like an old person discovering technology
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Ehhhh, Iād prefer a healthy balance. Overconfidence not only comes off as insufferable and obnoxious, it also massively backfires when you fail in something and makes you look like you just stroke your own ego all the time when, in reality, you have no idea what youāre doing.
Low self-esteem isnāt a desirable trait though, do not get me wrong. I knew a girl back in college who would all too often break down into periods of self-pity and self-loathing and would have to have her nearby friends talk to her to calm her down. It was alright the first couple times-we all have insecurities and flaws, and thereās no shame in venting and talking about them-but the sheer amount of those moments just tired me down. I really hope she gets the help needed to fix herself, because unless she starts there she sheāll never get anywhere.
But I digress. Like I said, a healthy balance is the best, at least for me.
To be fair, I think I feel really good about myself, but Iām not gonna be stupid, If I know Iām not good at something, I wonāt pretend that I am, I also tend to give lots of compliments to people and I try to boost their ego, I also can do self-deprecating jokes but rarely, Itās mostly when I fuck up really bad and I know trying to justify myself will make me look like a jackass.
You are absolutely right that there is an healthy balance though.
see thatās the problem, most ābrokenā people Iāve met will not do anything to fix themselves, I mean Iāve had bad periods in my life, but Iāve managed to seek help and get myself out of the jam, Itās just really frustrating to see someone feeling so bad when they really shouldnāt you know ?
Though I know itās complicated, I reckon I was lucky, I think a lot of it has to do with genetics.
On a less serious topic, do you believe zombies in fictions are people who are āstill conscious but canāt control their actionsā or a parasite took hold of the corpse and the person is dead as dead.
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the question reminds me of āWarm Bodiesā where Zombies can heal and be mostly human again^^ Nice film, not scary but sweet and funny^^
Would be interesting to experience that in a game, but it also would be really devastating^^
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I forgot something important - whatās the best approach to deal with Dillon and Co to be able to save both Lyle and Jillian in Part 1?