"Werewolf: The Apocalypse — The Book of Hungry Names"—Unleash Rage and wield spirit to heal the land and rebuild your fallen pack

Does anyone here knows where I can find a comprehensive guide for all the achievements? Or some way I can view all achievement requirements in the game code or something?

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Basically yes, 1/2 rage is enough to pass most of the stats checks without penalty and fighting and in the climax you can gaing enough rage to go crinos without loosing the wolf if you are able to do those checks with rage 2.

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Oh my gosh, I am in love with this game. And very importantly, I am in love with the Ride the Tiger ending. I can’t believe you can actually choose not to sacrifice poor Elton. I’ve been killing that character every time like a good little cub, only to realise in my most recent playthrough that Katherine’s an idiot. And with this ending, we can be definitely sure that Elton is over his wife, given that she legit tried to sacrifice him, for no G-d damn reason, as Melodie would say.

Speaking of which:

Does anyone know how she exactly died? During the showdown with EoN, she tells Elton that he killed her, something that is later confirmed when we Ride the Tiger. But as her death plays out in front of us, we see that Elton killed her in his crinos form, and not by hitting her with lightning, as I’d originally thought. Does this mean the nuclear power she was holding in her hands burned her heart once she died?

I loved playing as a Shadow Lord. My PC got so into it that they made Elton uncomfortable with all the Game of Thrones level manoeuvring.

I love the fact that we can now romance Nomi along with one of the Garou. My next wish is to enter into a poly relationship with Nomi and Elton. Those two are adorable together. Here’s proof:

I’m now about to play without Storyteller Mode, as a completely random character. Let’s see whether this one can even survive or not.

I am also happy to report that, for whatever reason (my choices? Or actual rewriting?), Nin’s age was not brought up as much in my latest playthrough. And instead of being likened to a child, she’s being likened to a doggo. (Stupid Elton; I love the mf but he needs to show her some respect.)

Since PC’s age wasn’t mentioned and all we know is that they didn’t get the chance to complete high school (with no clue as to when they were supposed to graduate), I’ve decided to do my next playthrough as a younger character, someone who’s 16 at the start of the game. I intend for her to be easygoing, friendly (especially with humans), and compassionate. A Hart Warden, or perhaps a Bone Gnawer. And Copilot was nice enough to create a character portrait.

Given her young age, I’ll be able to push her towards a Nin romance. See what all the fuss is about. :smiley:

And finally, what is going on in this scene from the epilogue if you go with the Ride the Tiger ending?

Weird Epilogue

Is this some sort of Weaver spirit? Why would the Wyrm be labelling humans as deviants and using that as an excuse to destroy them?

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My current stance is that every Shadow Lord is a certified moron, so concerned with using the most ruthless direct way that they utterly fail to see the long-lasting repercussions.

Remember, what the Tiger shows you is not actual reality, and therefore is not necessarily true. I wouldn’t put it past the bad kitty to shape events to try to sow further doubt into Elton.

I have the vague idea that they’re 20, but don’t quote me on that.

My reading of it was that that’s some sort of fascist Cop Drone hunting down “deviants” (sorry, moment while I barf). That’s very unlikely to be one of the spirits who, as far as we know, give the entire amount of zero fucks about someone’s sexual orientation (note it adds “homosexual” to the list of “deviancies”. Excuse me, got to vomit again). It definitely reads, to me, as a fascist law enforcement bot.

Bonus “it’s a cop” points: it gives a 93.2% of full “deviancy” (:face_vomiting: ) in 2 million seconds, BECAUSE IT KNOWS IT’S ABOUT TO PROVOKE HIM TO VIOLENCE SO IT HAS AN EXCUSE TO KILL HIM.

Related: somebody should maybe stop Boston Dynamics, just a thought.

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It’s not a drone, it’s a Technocratic mage hunting down a werewolf AKA a “reality deviant”
However, I’m pretty sure the Technocracy never cared about anyone’s sexuality so odd adition.

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It isn’t stated directly, but the PC is old enough to purchase alcohol at the end of the game. Also, if you romance Nomi, it’s revealed that Nomi is a few months younger than the PC, but still legally an adult. I think the PC is pretty canonically 19 when the game begins.

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Maybe that’s another personal experience the author had?

Has anyone got the High Summoner or the Suzy Creamcheese achievements?

Really? I must have misread, because I kept thinking that PC wasn’t old enough to buy alcohol even at the end of the game. (It’s why they had to buy juice or something at the Hog Throne party.) Which made me think that the oldest PC could have been at the beginning of the game was 19. I’ll have to pay closer attention.

I seem to remember Nomi being a few years, not months, younger to PC. (Yep, just went back and cross-checked; they’re introduced as a “kid a few years younger” to PC.) Despite pursuing a romance with them, my PC never did get the real age revealed to th. Probably because that playthrough got buggy as hell. (I’ll go cry about it to support at choice of games later hehe.)

I’m struggling with High Summoner myself, although I presume it must require us to rescue Melodie first (while playing as a Litany hating theurge) and then go get Katherine’s gift asap, in order to ensure we get more chances to bind spirits and stuff. I was able to bind an elemental (stone elemental, urban blight), a ghost (Harmonie, Barrows), and a fairy (some sort of Child of the Glades, deep woods), but I can’t for the life of me figure out who the beast is or how I’m supposed to bind them.

Suzy Creamcheese can be achieved pretty easily, actually. Just go into a rage fuelled frenzy in front of Nin. She soothes you out of your murderous rage using her song.

Wow, I actually tried to read the White Wolf wiki for this and was overwhelmed by all the lore. I wonder if we can presume the Technocratic mage for further corrupted by the Wyrm? Can there be factions within the Mages, like there were the Cult of Fenris?

Hmm, interesting point. This felt definitely true, though. Katherine’s dialogue preceding her death was word for word the same as that caught in the drone’s recording. Plus, no one contested it. Everyone was like, yep Elton killed his wife to keep her from ending the world, just a Shadow Lord doing Shadow Lord things, NBD.

It was actually after I played that ending that I became obsessed with Elton. He’s such a terrible Shadow Lord, and that probably contributed to him being sidelined, and he only even joined the tribe to impress Katherine.

Hahahaha! I actually had this opinion about Podge. I mean, I love him. But his first response to everything is to kill it. Katherine’s defo an idiot but she was a very helpful spirit indeed! She was a fount of wisdom and exposition for my PC. And, I mean, ultimately her ending ended up being the best ending in terms of net positive gain.

By the way, Nin is freaking amazing! Her dynamic with Elton definitely opened my eyes towards how overbearing he can be. And I did think the lying facedown on a rug dialogue was super cute! Poor guy had to lose the love of his life in a pretty brutal fashion though. But he deserves the insult after likening her brain to that of a dog. Idiot.

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Also, wtf is going on with people pouring bleach on food before discarding it, just to make it inedible? How is this legal? Is this a widespread thing in the US? What about other Western countries?

Hmmm, idk. Didn’t seem like it, especially since there is no option but to vanquish him. But I do wonder if one of the other spirits might fall in that category! I need to do another theurge run, asap!

Beast spirit? Maybe it’s Answering Tiger spirit?

It’s true that despite it being an order Nin was not to be treated like a science experiment by Broad Brook she was still treated like a science experiment. What got me was if you go with a romance with Nin it outright states nobody’s ever really listened to her before - they just think, ooh, wolf-born, whatever she said was super spiritual and wise without actually listening to what she’s said - and Elton’s the worst about it, treating her like a toddler on several occasions.

I knew I’d like Nin when she said she had an Ellen Aim and the Attackers shirt.

Also as to pouring bleach on food, well, the US hates poor people. That’s what that’s about.

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This bit is brutal, and so is her takedown of him prior to it. “You shouldn’t have gone alone!” “Yeah, well,I went to you on this super-important recon mission, and you said you had to stack books and then went to the back AND STACKED BOOKS!”

Nin is the fury of the quiet Garou, and I love her.

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get his ass Nin

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Yes, Nomi is first introduced as “a few years younger,” but if you romance them you learn that they’re closer to your age than you originally estimated.

And if you end up at the bar with one of your packmates at the final Hog Throne show, you have the choice of ordering a margarita, a martini, or a Long Island iced tea.

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Also, wtf is going on with people pouring bleach on food before discarding it, just to make it inedible? How is this legal? Is this a widespread thing in the US? What about other Western countries?

Yup, not only legal, but probably encouraged by some municipalities. Most of the US treats the homeless like vermin to be eradicated, and people who have helped to feed, clothe, and shelter the poor have occasionally been arrested for “disturbing the peace.” I would say the employers here are tinged with World of Darkness attitudes, but, sadly, America is trying hard to make it real.

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Don’t forget the spiked benches so people can’t lie on them.

(if you want to lie on the bench, that’s what being a SCOTUS judge is for :stuck_out_tongue: *)

*sorry, couldn’t resist the pun

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No, normally, when measured by the WtA lore, the Technocracy are considered corrupted by the Weaver(Not exactly, but Autochton and the Machine are very obscure to abridge), and yes, they have a lot of factions, like the Void Engeneers or the Progenitors.
The mages that can be said to be corrupted by the Wyrm are the Nephandi and those are another beast completely.
As a curiosity note, in the old lore it was said that could see Nephandi ships using as a portal and traveling through the umbral Station Mir, a BSD Hive that manifested there as a black hole, it also twist and corrupt any spirit that pass through it and in actual edition in V5 I was told that they are the ones behind the Second Inquisition, but I’m not an expert on V5(I don’t plan to own the books or read them) and I cannot corroborate it, so take it with a grain of salt.

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Mages like Vampire the Masquerade is kind of it’s own thing in the setting. Like Vampire and Werewolf it’s going to have a new edition soon that’s going to change a lot of the lore. Maybe they are just going to make the Technocratic an unplayable antagonist faction like they did with Fenris though unlike Fenris the Technocratic Union actually used to be one in the first edition from what I understand. Still they never really cared about hunting down gay people from what I read, that’s not a literal reality breaking thing to them. As for the factions in it there is a close as you can get good one for the Word of Darkness in the Technocratic called The Utopians who want to fight against some of the more super authoritarian parts of the faction though like any faction in WOD they still have their problems

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Yeah, arguably Mage needs even more of a deft hand to smooth out its rough edges than Werewolf did. It’s genuinely difficult to say what would carry over from earlier editions.

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Dayuumn, you guys make me wish people were more interested in table top games. Thank you so much for explaining all that @Dawgstar @Nm6k and @Akal! :pink_heart:

Okay, I definitely need to romance them again. Hopefully this time I won’t get that bug where I just got the same line of text - about us going to some convention and then getting some food - over and over again. I think it’s because I tried to have my PC romance them and a werewolf side by side (I was playing without storyteller mode and wasn’t sure if I would be able to save Nomi or not, so figured my Shadow Lord PC should have a backup romance like a good Shadow Lord.)

Oh my gosh, you’re so right! So the youngest our PC can then be is 19. That’s good actually. Allows us to pin down the ages of everyone else. And it definitely makes sense that Nomi would be at least 18, if they have a full time job! Thanks Aletheia. I now have a vague memory of you telling me this in the past as well, but I must have forgotten. Sorry for making you repeat yourself. :slight_smile:

You are so right! Melodie is as old as - and more overbearing than - Elton, but she treats Nin as her own person. It’s so interesting how much our playthroughs can determine how we see the world, thanks to the characters we’re interacting with. When romancing Podge or Elton, Nin always comes across as a kid who is mentally deficient, somehow. But she’s so smart. And she’s the only person who listened to the PC all the way through when my PC tried to explain all about the hallucinations. Even the way I’d been thinking about her consciousness and sentience was wrong. I kept thinking she was a child play-acting an adult (owing to her young age), but her mind is far more complex than that. She has the mind of an adult but not enough adult wisdom to go with it (which had been the reason I felt like a creep for romancing her), but she has her own wisdom which surpassed the other Garou at times. And perhaps if Elton could be made to sit down and understand all the ways in which he is "other"ing her, he would be more penitent.

That said, I still adore Elton dammit. He comes across like the mom friend of the group. And unfortunately, mom friends, while being very caring, can definitely be overbearing. The “experimenting” needs to stop, though.

Surprisingly, I used to quite dislike Melodie, but Nin’s playthrough has made me like her a lot.

@Khipsky and @JBento thanks for the info re: the measures taken against people who don’t have houses. It’s depressing and horrifying, and I’m definitely going to do more research on this. The US is such an interesting country, in terms of how it has all this wealth and yet not enough welfare.

This is what I love about this game. It’s really forced me to think a lot about the state of the world and especially American society. But the author isn’t doing it in the heavy handed way of Zach Sergi (is that his name? The guy who created the Sergiverse?). He’s letting us approach these truths ourselves without forcing his politics down anyone’s throat. Well, except for the hating of Nazis bit. But whoever is politically opposed to that wouldn’t be reading CoG anyways. All those - gasp - pronouns!

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