Sucks 
That’s… not what happens when you ride the Tiger, though? Nobody forgets you, you’re still there, and so are the packmates from the Broad Brook Caern. Riding the Tiger isn’t time travel. The people who died at the Battle of Graves Farm aren’t alive again*, they’re sort of… active unbound shades, they’re not REALLY real (except Katherine. Katherine goes actually poof-poof, which I suppose is great news for people romancing Elton?).
To be fair, the Metis puppies kicked first.
*this is because, despite the snake oil that everyone tries to sell you, the Answering Tiger’s reality isn’t REALLY reality. It’s an inferior, weaker version of it. The biggest tell of this I ran into was in Eater-of-Name’s journal, the titular Book of Hungry Names, where he makes a big deal out of both realities being real, but SOMEHOW his plan is to put the other Garou in it, instead of the much easier, safer, and more likely to succeed course of action that would be making the Black Spiral Dancers’ plan coming true in the Tiger’s reality, which, if it were true that both realities were just as real, would work just as well.
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I really like when I’m quoting someone and then he reply goes general.
I think that the conflict between Eater of Names and the Answering Tiger lies more in the true nature of the Tiger as a paradox spirit than anything else, the Tiger want imanence, to live so to speak, and normally, what BSD wants is… well something that ends in the anihilation of existence itself by the Wyrm, the two things are incompatible.
After all, the Answering Tiger is its own being and what it wants is living, and it cannot live if there’s no existence to live upon.
It can be all the bane you want it to be, but in the end, the three heads of the Wyrm fight against each other and thwart each other in their madness
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I’m not really sure what that has to do with my post, though. 
Regardless, the biggest, immediate issue isn’t even their opposing goals, it’s that they’re using the same resources: Eater-of-Names wants to destroy the resources, while the Answering Tiger wants to use the resources. This is a three-player Warcraft game between EoN, the AT, and the Garou, and ooops, the EoN and the AT are two high-resource-consumption players fighting for the same gold mine. The Garou get backed into their corner of the map early and hard, but since their resource consumption is basically nil, they can wait until the other two need to murder each other.
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Nothing, but this forum didn’t let me post it if I didn’t modify it, I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, but sometimes the specific reply to specific user don’t work at all and I dunno why.
I couldn’t have described it better, because it literally what happened, 100% lore accurate too if you ask me, though the battle against the paradox moth was much more epic in some aspect than the final boss, but I got a weird version on it in which Eater of Names got metafictioned into loosing so…
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I don’t know a lot about WTA, so I’m curious: is it possible for a werewolf to lose themselves to the Rage permanently, similarily to a Kindred becoming a wight after hitting humanity zero?
Kinda.
There are statuses that completely remove a Werewolf from play that respectively can be seen as not enough rage vs. too much rage.
Not enough rage is Harano which is essentially massive depression. The werewolf gets depressed, feels that the war against the Wyrm is hopeless and already lost, and that the Garou should just give up. Get too much Harano and your character is too depressed to play
Too much rage is Hauglosk which is essentially complete zealotry. Basically, the Garou becomes so zealous in fighting for Gaia that they begin to believe that there is no sacrifice that is too great to save Gaia. They begin cutting ties with friends and perform any extreme action, regardless of who gets hurt. Anyone who doesn’t agree is an enemy that must be eliminated. Too much Hauglosk and your character becomes an angry, uncompromising asshole who refuses to abide by the rules anymore.
More info if you’re curious:
https://wta.paradoxwikis.com/Harano_and_Hauglosk
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Thank you!
I’d rather not give my friends false hope in anyway either.
False hope about what?
Like the illusions aren’t really real, it sort’ve would be giving false hope that they’re alive when they still died.
Ok, so the packmates you meet during the game (Elton, Nin, Mel, Podge, Daphne, and BT) are alive (or can be, depending on your choices) in Ride the Tiger. The ones that died during the Battle of Graves Farm are very much not fully alive, but nobody thinks that they are. The Stormcat outright tells you they’re not really alive. Honestly, I don’t think the Returned care - it certainly doesn’t seem to hamper Chains-the-Lie none.
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It’s very similar to Ravnos signature discipline Chimerstry.
Um so i might have come across a bug the game came up with bug! Do the NA raid even though i had already done that. I just finished doing the raid with the cult of fenris against the coal power plant when it came up. Also i suddenly ended up in a theatre with eater of lies and then died. Coud not do anything about it
Send an email over to support@choiceofgames.com to report the bug. Might need to be fixed in the next patch. Seems pretty game breaking.
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Let’s say I really REALLY hate cars and i want to blow them all up. “We should all be walking, Cars do nothing but pollute and waste our innovation etc etc” I think to myself in the quiet of my thoughts and to my closest friends and family who also agree with me. Now one day, I find that theres this group of people who seem to really hate Ford the company. Now I don’t personally know these people nor really care but they seem convinced that Ford is some massively evil entity responsible for all the evil in the world. They call themselves ‘restorationists’ and think with Ford gone, all the troubles they’ve ever had will fix themselves. I see that there are a lot of these self-called 'restorationists" and I also see many of them are quite militant as well. Additionally, these ‘restorationists’ seem to be savvy enough to talk other people who were opposed or neutral to them and get them to agree that Ford is some super evil company. Again, I don’t know nor care about Ford, these people, or their supposed troubles for that matter, but I do see that with a bit of clever manipulation, I can orchestrate and help carry out an attack on the Ford factory in this town. In that moment we are aligned only in action. The people believe they are destroying some grand evil corporation thats caused them untold suffering (I haven’t bothered to check if they are right of course because thats not my problem). Meanwhile me, I’m just trying to make sure less and less cares are produced and more and more get destroyed. Thus for now, I’m ok with accomplishing part of my goal. Do i have anything against Ford specifically? Of course not, I don’t even know what they do beyond make cars. But I hate cars, and these people hate Ford so let me see if I can use them to get rid of that car factory. Turns out the plan was a wild success and not only did we blow up the factory here, but across the country! or at least most of them. “Think of how many less cars will be around to pollute our world and how much more slowly more will be made!” me and my friends and family sing with glee. Theres some interesting fall out and a couple of the people who helped me blow up those factories get arrested or executed or whatever they do them but oh well, things happen right? Life goes on.
I say all of this to say that I personally am not truly convinced the Cult of Fenris is after anything else than a second Imperguim and I think our PC even sees or says that themselves.
So I don’t know if its…accurate to call the Fenris wolves Nazis. They weren’t trying to explicitly murder or better facilitate the murder of jewish people like actual Nazis were. Seems like they were trying to murder as many people as possible in general, and saw an opportunity to do so. It just so happens that those people were jewish because the current political climate allowed for that. But i don’t think the cult particularly cared or even really took the time to really look into the Nazi party’s ideals beyond possibly to know to how better appeal to them. Im certain they’d have done the same if it was Christians, men, women, or any other demographic of people you can name.
Now again Im not an expert on the Cult or their dealings cuz I’ve been busy trying to figure out how to get become the ultimate Ragabash with a wolf girlfriend but I wouldn’t call the cult of Fenris Nazis. Just like how you and most people wouldn’t call me a Restorationist in earlier example. You would probably call me a weirdo with an obsessive hatred for cars or even something else entirely but certainly not restortationist. Same here.
I think Podge and others are thinking about Heinrick and his little gang as humans and we often forget they arent humans. From a werewolf perspective, Heinrick is still definitely a massive ass but not much more than other werewolves who think that humanity is bad, ‘must pay for their crimes’ and be culled- Heinrick just saw an opportunity to enact what so many other werewolves also belive in and want and I’m pretty most wolves who think a second impurgium is necessary (cough cough red talons) would’ve joined as well for that very same reason- just to get rid of more humans.
Im kinda confused on the truth of the matter. Idk if Elton is truly right and but is ruthless to humans or if its just too-clever by half shadow lord nonsense (lol), but when i imagined myself as the character who had a ‘spiritually desolate’ ex-pack and then this shadow lord Theurge advises me and the group on something and frames it as a massive loss for uncertain gain from a pool of resources also so heavily diminished by by an enemy that beat up everyone so badly they had amnesia…well I cant say it was a hard choice. Plus we needed Nin to get the wolf back, the shadow lord says the cult already had energy right there to use (whatever that means). Elton in that situation a very convincing dude and whenever i replay the game and i reach that point all i see is, from the Pc perspective, Elton being very calm and reasonable, if callous, with Melodie and Podge arguing on principle and insults. Principles and insults wont help the Caern. Had they provided a better counterpoint, or even ANY counterpoint at all besides “Cult bad, shadow lord dumb” I would’ve loved to side with them and tear into the cult. Plus Elton even preemptively addresses the primary concern being the innocent people, which You as the PC and directly facilitate.
Everything points to Elton being right
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But they are. The Fenris are OBSESSED with strength and purity, which is why one of the options you have regarding their motives at the Hog Throne is that they’re there to get rid of Nin for having lost the Wolf, to which Elton responds, “yeah, that tracks”. These people will literally kill other Garou for being ill (and losing the Wolf definitely qualifies).
Obviously, when we say “the Fenris are Nazis” we don’t mean “these people enshrine the Mein Kampf”, we mean “these people will absolutely genocide anyone that they consider to be an ‘inferior race’, and that’s EVERYONE WHO ISN’T THEM”.
If you have three Nazis and one non-Nazi having fun at a table, what you ACTUALLY have is four Nazis having fun at a table.
Also, Nazi Bar Problem.
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Hey all, loving the game but a bit concerned about losing my progress again with next Monday’s update. They say to finish before then - are there no checkpoints at all? I just reached chapter 6 and hoped that might be a new checkpoint, but it sounds like it won’t be. Any info would be much appreciated, otherwise I’ll have to rush to the end when I’d rather take a bit more time to savour it 
A patch earlier this week is supposed to have fixed the not-setting-checkpoints problem, so THEORETICALLY from now on patches will roll you back to the start of whatever chapter you’re in when they hit.
@jasonstevanhill should be able to give you more information
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Thanks though I have BoHN bought on Google Play like every CoG Game and HotF I have already through Humble Bundle.