Uprising against the Verdant Lords (small update 12/9)

I want this to be possible so I will do my best to keep it in mind. I am sure you will let me know when it doesn’t work. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

Ooh, good fodder for conversation :smiley:

Someone who talks a lot.

Okay, I need to sleep, but yeah, definitely I’d like to know if what I was saying earlier about handling political stats would constitute an improvement, or still have issues. And if there’s any thoughts on better framing for the spirits/personality stuff.

Bye for now :slight_smile:

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enjoy
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But WHY BOX ? lol Say chat people or gossip people

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Good night here are 10:09 am

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because a box is just full of it

Like Pandora’s box, :heartbeat:

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So no attempting to institute a theocracy, then?

…Or (alternate universe/proto)-communism, for that matter?

Edit:
Also, what exactly do seers do?

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yup, except with less death and more annoyance. both could kill you, only one is physically and the other is mentally. I am being punched in the arm now so I am enduring both.

Seers in my experience talk to spirits at a higher rank so technically they command them :confused:, but I don’t know if that includes this story or not.

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So @TSSL your stats and why I don’t like them Volume 1 you have said
So I am wondering if maybe all or some of the political factors would work better more as yes/no checks, maybe weak/strong? Like you can choose to support republicanism, and then that just sets republicanist to yes, and the variable could mark whether it’s a conviction or something the character is allying with as a means to an end. If the character’s more neutral, that wouldn’t flag anything. And maybe set the variable differently for like “radical” republicanist or “republicanist leaning” or whatever. Qualitative variable descriptions rather than numbers, in other words. Then apolitical and out-for-personal gain characters can have different qualitative descriptors. There are still sides that would be mutually exclusive.

It would be better… But could be easier if you just tracking what do you say and what do you think goes match. I could fake being Republican and be totally fake about it because I don’t care or just hate monarchy. You have too much opposed stats LIKE WOW TOO MUCH that would give you a lot of continuity issues in checks. When a republic guy try to romance a monarch guy gal and for gain points suddenly ended in the middle and text start to tell you never had a public view in the matter .When player was given republic speeches.

Where it comes to “the spirits that move you,” this is rather different. But I don’t think I’m hearing as many concerns about those? Other than terminology, mostly, which I’m not at all wedded to. The words on the right are meant as lesser presences of the ones on the left. So if that’s not working I need different words. And yeah, “joy” in particular was one I just sort of dashed on because I wasn’t thinking of a better one :unamused:

If I were to go for really blunt emotion based descriptors they’d be something like

*fearful v. fearless
anger-motivated/justice-motivated v. not motivated by that
sad about stuff v. not feeling sad about stuff
motivated by personal love bonds v. not motivated by that
motivated by personal pleasure v. *

I am totally against those stats but I really could deal with it I just going to skip all your flavor text that would start assume stuff about Mara Mara is not anger or justice driven SHE IS AMBITIOUS DRIVEN SHE WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT MORALITY STATS OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. She would say what mumbo yumbo is more useful… Ah this I would pretend follow them and using them as leverage if I get blackmail for them even better I could sell that to their enemies.

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selling blackmail to their enemies is a bad trade, I’d rather ask them to do me a favour and wouldn’t give it to them unless they did. if they complete it however and I found a way I could black mail the person to get something I needed, I would slaughter the person I was offering the deal to and keep it all to myself.

  1. Get blackmail material on both sides.
  2. Play them against each other.
  3. ???
  4. PROFIT!!!

Okay, I’ll see myself out…

Not Maras way. If you kill everyone you would hated and no one would trust you at all. If you sell info or assassination people for money you have to be truthful in your contracts or nobody would do business with you.

Yep, when we get to the stage where order basically breaks down and everybody rebels my mc would want to start his own, separate republican rebellion, which is indeed for a reformed republic with more power to the people, much like our sadly never fully implemented Dutch constitution of 1798.
More importantly I also hope starting his own separate faction will give him more options than he would otherwise have since with it his faction can either win outright or ally with the old republic in such a way that it gives him influence of the kind he wouldn’t have if he were just a commoner trying to rise through the old power-structures that disfavour commoners like him to a great extent.
If you go with that four step alignment then populist + republican sounds about right for my mc, though of course he would prefer to call it a republic based around popular sovereignty and he would argue that any (absolute) monarchy is bound to devolve to an elitist monarchy within a generation or two.
Remember the current pretender may have been raised among (but not as) a commoner, but his successors will all be raised in a palace, where they will have minimal contact with the common people they will “rule” and will be surrounded and make friends with the elite (almost) exclusively. :unamused:

Well adoptive is just family or at least can be decreed to be that once you’re firmly in power “children in spirit (adopted ones) are fully equal to children by blood and all that”. It may take a generation or two for that idea to gain full popular acceptance, but if you build a strong enough state bureaucracy once in power it should be doable. I’ve been arguing this with @P_Tigras over at the XoR thread often enough. It’s just that over there I have my doubts about the strength of any state bureaucracy we might establish versus a corrupt faith with a centuries head-start. :disappointed_relieved:

Well another form of elite monarchy would be an elected monarchy with elites (and only elites) as the electors, like the Holy Roman Empire or the Landsmeet in DA:O.
It isn’t that far removed from the current noble republic, as our own Dutch history proves and would in fact be the most logical result of a compromise between the monarch and the current republic, should they go that route, rather than allying with my character’s faction. :sweat:

Hang in there. You can work for personal gain opportunistically in any of the political systems, though of course absolute monarchy would offer the most precarious position here. As I’ve said before one of the reasons my character favours a republic with rule of law is that he doesn’t want whatever wealth and property he has to exist solely at the whims of the monarch.

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I hate republic for the same reasons and their tendency to change and destroyed your fortune and that in minutes. Remember the chaotic Roman Republic it was so damn chaotic that Cesar was watched as a peace maker for people, He would end republic civil wars.

Mara if she could is destroy actual Monarchy and install one of her own probably marriage some high up in actual noble military. My Problem is This Mara is sadly a stupid commoner .So she has to slaughter soon as possible all her family and burocracy records If possible all that nasty peasant cavern where she lived. And had to chossen a Mumbo yumbo to defend being send by X mumbo yumbo TO DESTROY THE UN FAITHFUL and maybe defend beinga bastard from an old branch of x family. I hate play as commoner.

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Whereas I often do not like playing aristo’s too much mumbo-jumbo and (heterosexual) marriage nonsense for one.
The one I did like was the promise of the aristo path in the Myrmidon, but let’s just say that playing as “Lord Flash” there had many attractions that most aristo routes simply do not have.

I only like playing as an aristocrat if my MC is part of the military. Political aristocrats need too much socializing and ridiculous etiquette and traditions to my liking. I’d rather be a commoner.

Exactly why I like playing as Noble lol. Mara is all about charisma etiquette and poisoning rivals. Being commoner is being a pathetic rat up starter that dreams with be a hero while extend poo to make fertilizer for his mager farm lands who normally do not are their own.
Also @idonotlikeusernames In reality commoners where far worse with homosexuals. In Spanish nobility everyone knew X was lesbian or gay. Totally everyone. You marriage then put someone to bang your wife instead you from your family. Then send your wife elsewhere normally a monastery when she lives happy with her lovers . Commoners homosexuals were normally purged in public after torture.

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In Spain sure, but let’s be honest with ourselves here, most stories around here follow a more angl-saxon concept of nobility and aristocracy and in Britain at least the aristocracy was usually very unfavourable to gay men as well.
In our own Dutch Republic commoners and aristocrats tended to be just about equally bad on the gay issue (most people actually didn’t care most of the time, unfortunately the priesthood did), aristo’s could hide it more easily, but the flip side was that more, much more was expected of them marriage and family wise and woe betide you if you got an arranged marriage to the wrong wife. Over here it wasn’t as easy to get rid of a wife as in some other places around Europe and that part of our own history does tend to inform my playstyle to some extent.
Thus I’m more influenced by British and our own, historical aristocracy then I am by Spain, or France’s (and yes, I know French aristocracy was “better” for a gay man then Dutch or English).

Which came in handy to the inquisition in order to set some examples now and again, I’m sure. :unamused:

Yeah, You are right here as gay monarch you get gossip Like Enrique IV the bro of Isabel I His wife only made a girl with his lover Beltran so Isabel say BAstard to her nephew. And civil war, everyone knew Enrique was gay but like he died too young to had a male “son” if there were a male there weren’t any problems.

Our commoners had a zealous religious streak with their own. They accused themselves of being bizarre stuff. They live in a paranoid hazard. Everyone was half jew muslim or devil workshipers. Our commoners were terrible in their devotion.

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