Uprising against the Verdant Lords (small update 12/9)

This is basically exactly what I was looking for :slight_smile: I wanted to know where the stats risk breaking down so I can plan ahead.

This was certainly one I was worried might be conflating too many factors. At its core, it represents positive interpersonal bonds, so if the character is acting out of love for certain individuals that approach them, that raises the stat. It’s not so much universal love or even sociability. Maybe detachment is the wrong word? Maybe love is also the wrong word? (If only each of the stat’s labels could be an essay :stuck_out_tongue: )

This was part of where I was wondering if a more general altruism would be worth tracking separately, since I wasn’t sure what to do with kindness or hostility to strangers.

I was mostly seeing this in terms of what means the character is using, but that is rather at odds with how the rest of the stats are more motivation-based. Something to represent whether you’re a fighter or going for a Gandhi or reformer route. But I can see there’s a lot going into this.

That’s pretty much what the typical position on the elitism end would be. It’s basically the scholarly traditional opinion of the republic’s leaders.

I was thinking of a sort of grid between this and monarchism/republicanism, where elite+republic is what’s currently going on (certain families dominate, hold elections, no monarch), populist+monarchy is what the main rebel factions wants (strong king who protects the people), populist+republic is more like what @idonotlikeusernames wants to work for (political power for the people), and then elite+monarchy I guess would be more of an absolute ruler favoring the higher classes.

I wasn’t really sure about the terminology here, especially since elitism sounds loaded. Well, and populism can be loaded too.

Also thinking of the Populares and Optimates in Rome.

Sure of nothing :slight_smile:

I guess I just don’t have the same associations, but I definitely don’t want to make things feel loaded. Originally I chose “purity” just for flavor, because a lot of Verdant spirituality involves purification. So if someone was really living spiritually, they would be considered very pure. So yeah, I take your point. Maybe I could have purity as a separate non-opposed stat that only shows for seers or something…

:sweat: I need to think about this. They’re the only ones I was planning on writing. They’re the only ones that have a body of scholarship behind them, and the only one with active forces behind them. But in theory? Yeah, obviously in theory they’re not the only thing possible.

I would see this as the populism plus republicanism position. Family-based politics mostly come into play either with monarchy (because heredity [though it could be adoptive (great, that’s another dimension :weary: )]) or with elites (because that’s what the elites are based on).

Meritocratic would be interesting. Hmm. On the whole that’s probably something people would consider a different, more administrative, flavor of republic… there’ve been periods similar to that in Verdant history…

I’d think any of the factions could have potential to go militaristic. Sort of what I was thinking with the war/peace dimension. Could be more variables to track… I could always have some hidden ones so I don’t overload the screen…

When you say authoritarian, do you mean more like a strongman or dictator than a hereditary monarchy? I think most people in Laghuna would view that as a divergent monarchy.

But to some extent I can’t write every possible political side, so I want to focus mainly on ones that are relevant to the culture I’m writing in. Without feeling too railroaded, hopefully :confused: it will be a tricky tightrope.

Bleh, and come to think of it, there’s also apolitical people, or people just out for personal gain, which were both things I have actual plot ideas for :weary: I don’t know how I’m doing this.

Oh, well, it doesn’t really :sweat_smile: being traditionally a republic and all. None of the analogies are really exact. I’m mostly looking at Chinese dynasties falling as models for overall collapse.

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Glad I could help :slight_smile:

Maybe :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence.

But yeah…There’s a lot going into this :sweat_smile:

That’s better than I expected. When I saw “elitism” I thought “divide by social classes and feed the ones on the bottom to the ones on the top”.

My approach would be elitist+meritocratic. The elite would be composed of intelligent and skilled people, regardless of peasantry or nobility, capable of leading the people to a better future.

Which would make skeptics the opposite of “pure”…I’m on my phone so I can’t really look up the antonyms of “pure” right now, but I’m sure they don’t sound very positive…

My MC wouldn’t be really into the whole politics thing, then :sweat_smile:

My MC would think this is dumb, and would want the elite to be based on actual competency and intelligence, regardless of family background :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

He also isn’t a fan of republicanism. He’d think the people in general are too unsuited to hold power, and would want to see the elites taking care of deciding what is best for the population.

Meritocracy is always interesting :grin:

Si vis pacem, para bellum

Being Militaristic in structure and procedure wouldn’t really require them to be war-mongers. They’d just be a power not to be messed with, which could prevent outsiders from trying to declare war on them in the first place.

If they declare war on others or not it’s up to them.

Authoritarianism - favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

I could see the elites following a hierarchy system, which would make the person on top a “dictator”, but I was more talking about having rules and laws that would be strictly enforced to prevent chaos and more rebellions, dictatorship or not.

My MC would really hate anything hereditary in politics :sweat_smile:

That’s perfectly understandable :slight_smile:

Well, all I can say is…Good luck, my friend :sweat_smile:

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@StarshinaSokolov Has pointed out most of my issues with your stats so far. I can’t role-playing with them because half of them aren’t opposite at all. And I am not any of the side of the spectrum. Love vs Detachment lol Mara is either She give a shit about any of them She wants to gain to advance WHATEVER MEANS NECESSARY she won’t peacw or war. She prefers win without fight and certain she would pretend to love but hell no love at all. And detachment… That means she doesn’t care, she cares about win and if she end loving someone she would cares and being protective

The purity skepticism… Just sounds wrong as hell. There are skeptical saints you know in Spanish story there were at least two. Except purity means something different in English. In Spanish just mean without sin or dirty. IT IS MARA WHAT DO YOU THINK?
She gives a shit on skepticism too. She would laughing at your face and say I WANT WIN AND POWER NOT being a philosopher I don’t care if is true or not or whatever other believes .

Joy Stat os just … funny for me. Mara founds funny stuff you certainly not.

And don’t get me started about the political spectrum of your stats … There is no way you write in detail them and you let someone like Mara enter as a role playing character. So we would have Empyrean issue. My text would dance from one side to another due Mara WANTS TO SUCCEED NOT SUPPORT ONE SIDE … so x day will tend to X so flavored text will say, oh, how much monarch support you are … Next time Oh, you have always be someone so republican … I am not either. Mara would be a sushi roll if sje needs to gain power…

Your stats would be great for a metagamer player for a role player well if you play exactly with the minset you follow and within being evil could it work.

The way in stats family is worded and how you describe big sis and just called it big sis and not annoying heir already supposed you love family members. The text is not neutral

Related to this…

Why don’t people have names? :confused:

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Okay, well, it’s late so I’m not going to reply fully to everything just now, just going to touch a few quick immediate points.

So I am wondering if maybe all or some of the political factors would work better more as yes/no checks, maybe weak/strong? Like you can choose to support republicanism, and then that just sets republicanist to yes, and the variable could mark whether it’s a conviction or something the character is allying with as a means to an end. If the character’s more neutral, that wouldn’t flag anything. And maybe set the variable differently for like “radical” republicanist or “republicanist leaning” or whatever. Qualitative variable descriptions rather than numbers, in other words. Then apolitical and out-for-personal gain characters can have different qualitative descriptors. There are still sides that would be mutually exclusive.

Then I would just have to figure out how to display that.

Where it comes to “the spirits that move you,” this is rather different. But I don’t think I’m hearing as many concerns about those? Other than terminology, mostly, which I’m not at all wedded to. The words on the right are meant as lesser presences of the ones on the left. So if that’s not working I need different words. And yeah, “joy” in particular was one I just sort of dashed on because I wasn’t thinking of a better one :unamused:

If I were to go for really blunt emotion based descriptors they’d be something like

fearful v. fearless
anger-motivated/justice-motivated v. not motivated by that
sad about stuff v. not feeling sad about stuff
motivated by personal love bonds v. not motivated by that
motivated by personal pleasure v. not into that

Hmm, well, the stat descriptions all assume that the family members love the main character, which is going to be true unless you really antagonize them going forward. In the main text, I definitely see that “I’ll help her” assumes you’re doing it out of love, so I could add an “I’ll help her to be manipulative” type option if that helps, though I don’t know how much a 7-year-old would be going along that line. Otherwise I’m not really seeing it in the other options? Just that Big Sister is loving, which says more about her than the main character.

Oh, well, they do. It’s just a family thing. Just in the household. It’d be the usual terms of address for household members. They’d break out the names when there’s ambiguity.

It’s also pretty common to call people by titles, though they’ll often include the name with the title. For example, you might address the village healer as just “Healer,” but would usually refer to her as “Healer Tuthazata.”

Where it comes to “Big Sister” rather than just “Sister,” I wanted to reflect KuLaghuna having separate words for older siblings than younger siblings (like many languages do) while still writing in English.

I was hoping it’d evoke the culture’s household-based dynamics and also reduce the number of foreign names the reader has to keep track of.

…this turned out to be more than a few quick immediate points, didn’t it?

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Can the MC choose not to take part in this?

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It’s sort of like how people in certain cultures usually call their parents “Mom/Dad” “Mommy/Daddy” “Mama/Papa” etc. rather than by the first name. I don’t usually see localization included to call character’s parents by name instead. So I mean, not that there’s really anything stopping you from calling family members what you like, but people would find it rather weird and stilted. How much is this something you would value being able to do? Would you want to apply it to parents as well? Is this something you’d see as a mark of estrangement, or what are you going for?

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at 7 years of age?! I’m sure if the MC calls up their lawyer, they won’t need to.

A little bit, and yes, mostly to parents.

I wouldn’t say “estrangement”. My MC just wouldn’t give a damn if people are part of their family or not. He’d only interact with who he wants to and show the level of respect they earn from him. Blood-relationship mean much less to him than personality when deciding to be friendly or hostile to others.

They won’t be 7-year-olds forever, you know…

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In my country until a generation ago you could be slapped for called mama and that to your parents My grandmother called by name and with a polite second person their parents all her life no hugs not anything. Parents were an authoritarian figure. No big sis and wathever. Even today you call your family members by name except parents. I would felt ridiculous called big sis or whatever. Also I love role-playing unhappy families not get frolic to forest. OH HOW BORING ARE HAPPY FAMILIES IN GAMES BORING IS BORING…

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No, but in this story, here and now -the MC is… let the story progress and see the options for loving or not loving the family come into play.

Okay, sure, that’s an interesting take and potential plot arc. Something I might implement more around the teens, though. I’ll see how it fits when I get there. It certainly could have interesting consequences, particularly in such a family-based society. No promises, though ;P[quote=“StarshinaSokolov, post:89, topic:21980”]
They won’t be 7-year-olds forever, you know…
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Or will they? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

…no. No they will not.

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children are very scary, my cousin plus wide amount if imagination and I trip to his friends house to watch horror films equals: THE END

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Mara hates her family since four when discovered she won’t heir anything and has to suffer an arrangement marriage ALSO WHY I HAVE TO SUFFER OLD TOYS DISCARDED BI THAT HORRIBLE MONSTER … I WANT NEW TOYS I WANT HER DIE… Mara at 4

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My MC will rise to power and break this concept of society, starting his own :smiling_imp:

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sounds like a plan :imp:

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being the youngest, I can relate. Your cute tonight. Now, I gotta concentrate on my own project for a bit. So everyone - enjoy your day/night.

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how can I enjoy a school full to the roof of chatterboxes may I ask?

What is a chatterbox? I am imaging a box chatting and singing The bus make bip bip bip and ither scholars songs.

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gossiping children. :heartbeat:

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