The Wayhaven Chronicles General Discussion (SPOILER FREE FOR BOOK THREE!)

Romances

N has always felt forced and fake to me, and I couldn’t quite place why. You’re right that now that we know N’s hiding part of their true self helps that along.

In b1, it came across as N trying to hard (the weird flirt scene at the lab really turned me off as a reader, so even on N’s path, my MC decided to stay outside with M to avoid that crap). In b2, N’s path felt stilted as well as N feeling fake, but I wrote that off as Sera forcing the plot instead of letting the characters behave more naturally. The whole thing with “I will plan on asking you for a date once this mission is over” was just weird–aren’t there always missions to do? That’s why I figured N’s weirdness in that respect was Sera-forced, so the “date” could be at the carnival. She forces a lot of things that way, really, and the “romance” suffers for it.

Never watched The Originals, but I saw Elijah on The Vampire Diaries before they did the spinoff. I think Elijah pulled that whole thing off more, with the noble front but being vicious. Maybe because he wasn’t so over-the-top all the time. In TVD, he came off as this vampire that was very controlled until he snapped (I remember a scene where he wasted an alley full of people in short order). But I get what you’re saying. I can see the parallels with N, but N overcompensates by acting like this peacenik who’s anti-combat and… really… kind of spineless when talking to A. Does N ever really win an argument with A?

I love this about M. One of the many things I love abouto M.

Yep, I’ve noticed this. My husband finds it grating, because one of his LT MCs is not dating N and refuses to do so, but the narrative always pushes the guilt. It’s not like she’s cheating on Nate (unlike his other LT MC, who is dating Nat and basically using her to get Ava), so why force that idea?

I think Sera intends for the MC to be conflicted from the start, and always feel like they’re cheating on N by wanting A because that’s how the original novel was to be written. This is just another blatant example of how the MC has no effect on the “romance path”, because it’s going to happen the way Sera wants it, no matter what. The MC isn’t given much leeway–you can choose not to date N, but you’ll still be forced to be in love with them, instead of just attracted, with that attraction starting to fade as you get to know N. And that’s a problem, I think. There should be options within the “paths” that can affect them (like ending the LT earlier), but there aren’t. And likely never will be. We’ll be kept completely on the rails, for the entire ride.

For A… That was an interesting theory, and it would make more sense than what we’re given so far.

I mean, the MC is already spending time with them separately, getting to know A without getting physical (but with emotions in the mix), so the whole “dating” aspect isn’t really needed. I think all it would really take is for A to tell the MC that they want them, that they’ve been in love with them from the first time they met them, and they’re tired of resisting. They need to know if this will work. A and N would need to have a chat about that, especially if the MC is dating N (if not, I don’t see the issue here, other than both A and the MC sitting N down and telling them how things are). If the MC is dating N, then it’s on the MC to make the choice whether to take a break from N to figure things out or to tell A it’s too late.

The situation is a mess, but it’s not a mess that can’t be cleaned up with some adult behavior and honesty.

If it doesn’t conclude by the end of b4, the LT is going to be stupid as hell. There’s too much that has to be dealt with, otherwise.

That said, as someone who prefers M to the rest of these characters, I am going to be supremely pissed off if the LT gets concluded at the end of b4 and M-mancers are left with nothing again just because Mishka doesn’t want to have things “happen at the same time”. That will be a huge piss in M-mancers’ faces if it went down that way.

I could see that. I think the only one who wouldn’t fear that is M, because M is always certain the MC can handle anything. But M will probably be the only one who never brings it up or wants the MC to become a supernatural, since they won’t consider the MC’s mortality until the MC is already dead.

You got a better scene by letting Sanja die? I got the feeling we were supposed to always pick Sanja and let the LI get hurt, since that’s when you get the better LI scenes. The scenes you get when you save the LI kind of suck, really. An injured A gets you the ‘tu omnia’ scene and an injured M gets you M telling you they would’ve saved you instead of Sanja and then the sweet cheek kiss. Without them hurt, you really don’t get anything worth a damn.

That said, it is too out of character for my M-mancer to go for Sanja when M is in danger, so she just got screwed out of the good scene. Sanja didn’t die, though, since she never did the tests. My F-mancer saved F, didn’t do the tests, and Sanja still died (I didn’t know that was possible), but she just shrugged it off.

Agreed. I like the idea of there being a new poison against all supernaturals, something that their super healing can’t just shrug off. That’s what I wrote for my AU, and the “poison” actually affects the MC differently, and gives her supernatural powers while it’s in her system. I like flipping the script.

I think she wanted to introduce the trappers as a threat to the MC to set up b3, but she couldn’t think of a better way to do it than the attack outside the facility, which–again–just made the Agency look incompetent. That scene was ridiculous.

I think all of the fight scenes are written strangely. They seem more suited to a Three Stooges skit than actual fight scenes. The first fight scene in b3 was a little less stupid, but it still wasn’t good. When you hamstring the vampires and don’t let them actually fight without having a good reason for them suddenly being weak and incompetent (a poison would be a great reason for this!), then the scenes will be stupid. And the only thing she seems to know for the MC to do is to trip people. Or to have the enemies trip over branches and shit. It’s really awful.

b3

Ooh, that would’ve been cool.

One thing I couldn’t figure out a purpose for are the “blood taken” stats tracked at the blood drive and the cell scene if the auctioneer grabs the MC. At the blood drive, Elidor “saves” the MC if they can’t get out of the stupid blood donation, but there’s still a “blood taken” stat. In the cell, if you have 85% of your highest stat, you manage to overpower the jerkwad trying to take your blood, otherwise it gets taken. I could see the two being temp variables if it was only for those scenes, but they were global variables. Either they’ll come up again or she just needlessly tracked them.

That would’ve been freaking awesome.

Maybe. If so, then this book should’ve gone a different route. The kidnappings weren’t personal for the MC. Maybe take Rebecca/Bobby/Douglas and draw the MC in that way. Or let the MC sacrifice themselves for the LI. Instead, it was a waste of what could’ve been a really cool plot.

Yeah, I just still don’t get why Murphy thought this would work. The comment from that council person, wondering aloud what Murphy had done to the MC, made me think there’s a lot more going on with the MC’s blood than there was in b1, and that Murphy didn’t just make the MC’s blood more powerful for supernaturals who ingest it, but it did something to the MC, too.

Were I writing it, I’d definitely explore that (and, for one thing, use it to explain why the MC healed so quickly from the building falling on them, when they should’ve had multiple broken bones and internal bleeding). But I guess expecting any depth to it is a pointless endeavor.

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I enjoyed Wayhaven 1-3 and love the main characters but pacing is extremely slow, also it feels like each book doesn’t progress in story or characters or anything new tbh. Lots of people say the same thing and someone said its gonna have 7 books? like why

It’s been 3 books so a full on trilogy and still no main story, just filler, lame subplots and very small character progression. Wayhaven is good but not great imo, hope the next books in 3-4 years improves on this and doesnt repeat the same formula…

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$$$$?

Seriously, seven books is too much for this series. If you take out the filler, you probably have a book and a half, at most, at this point. And, sadly, the plot of b3 felt like nothing but filler. It should’ve been exciting and scary for the MC, but it never was, because the plot was all over the place and the “villain” didn’t have two brain cells to rub together.

The main story, I think, is supposed to be the MC dealing with the supernatural and having everyone after them for their super special blood. Instead, we meet a new team each book that we never talk to again, the “threat” to the MC never really manifests, and what there is of the plot is just kinda boring.

And that would be fine, since the focus is supposed to be on the romances, but we get virtually nothing there, too. Like you said, there’s very small character progression. M in b3 is the exception, but we’re told that didn’t really happen because M is a moron and will remain so until we reach whatever point in the series it was decided that M can stop being a moron (end of b4, if we’re lucky, otherwise, end of b5, most likely). The others just feel stagnant, like @Francisco_Teixeira said. Feels like everything is being saved for the end, after b5 is a miserable load of angst.

Me, too. But there are enough people saying it’s perfect that the author has no reason to try to adjust.

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Strange that they locked book 3 thread with no explanation…

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Yeah you’re right, it should be more focused on romance and plot imo. I don’t care about subplots and side characters in every book that do nothing and don’t appear again.

Also the villains in the previous books have no part in the story again.

Yeah I read somewhere that Wayhaven 1 and 2 are the best sellers of HG but Wayhaven 3’s sales are not as good.

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Interesting ask today:

M’s, of course, was the one that interested me the most. I don’t get the “want” one, since M is too fucking stupid to know what they may get “ready” for, unless it’s to bone (which, with M, makes sense, but I’m not sure that’s what she meant). The other two are perfect, though. And anyone who tells M they don’t matter needs to be stomped in the damned dirt. Since she has the exact situations in mind for all of these, I’m guessing they will be coming up at some point before the end of b7…

A’s throwback to b1 is interesting (seriously, are they still on that “I’m a monster” bullshit?), but the “dread” one is entirely correct. A’s decision to “end things” was a stupid decision, and they need to hear that.

N’s “I can’t accept that” is interesting and must have to do with their “other” side.

F… :frowning:

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Do we think that evil!N will start to make an appearance in the next book or no? There’s been hints but with this new antagonist I reckon they’d have to do something pretty drastic to make N lose it…

Maybe almost drain mc of blood and N sees and goes feral :rofl:

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If what A dreads to hear is “Your decision was wrong”, I have TERRIBLE news for them, because that’s the truth about pretty much everything since at least the start of the series.

M’s and F’s dreads are ooooooooooof.

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I understood it was related to A’s past and their family. M and F :sob:

I hope we do, I feel like it’s about time, although I can see the narrative giving more hints in B4 and N showing their dark side in B5.

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Disclaimer: You don’t need to respond to all of this, this shit is way too long, sorry.

Romances

The weird thing is that the detective is attracted to it despite how my skin was crawling and how disgusted I felt. In comparison to N, A does a better job of arousing the detective by simply glancing at them and lightly stroking their faces.

Exactly. In my opinion, the only real date my MC’s ever had was F’s movie night. There were no dates in any of the other scenes we had with the LIs. Either we were on a mission, socializing with the LI, or assisting them in some way. The worst was the pool scenario with N because they treat the detective with kid gloves and won’t play pool with them properly since they’re too busy keeping themselves under control. Except when they’re freaking out, I actually just find N obnoxious as fuck (no offense to anyone who enjoys the character or the author). At least while they’re freaking out, I get to be entertained.

Agreed; he definitely pulled it off better because he isn’t as theatrical or whiny about it. N is like a nat who batters your eardrums until you give in or start shouting because you’re sick of hearing them complain. I believe that N only prevails over A in a debate if the detective is on N’s side. For instance, when N tried to reassure Addie’s parents and A objected, they only prevail if we decide to stand with them. Since N is already excessively controlling, I’m happy that they rarely succeed in debates with A; if anything, A’s stubbornness helps to humble N.

Even A supports the MC in the LT when it comes to engaging in combat to defend ourselves. If N truly cared about the detective’s security, they could easily utilize their abilities to tell the trappers to back off. Having said that, it’s possible that they get a rush from controlling others, and it eventually turns into an addiction for them. As a result, they rarely use their ability to avoid abusing it. If my hypothesis is correct, it makes sense as to why they would rarely use it.

Yes, I’m beginning to like them. Of all the LIs, they definitely had the best moments. M, A, F, and N, is my order.

Exactly! I’ve watched a lot of LTs, but I’ve never seen it go down like this. The star of the LT will typically be in a relationship when another person starts aggressively pursuing them until they “win” or realize that there’s no chance left. When we’re still getting to know the vampires in the game, I just don’t comprehend what the MC is in love with. Why does the MC become conflicted so easily? It’s not the soul bond hypothesis because that’s not going to play a factor in the game. It doesn’t make logical sense for them to be this enthralled with these vampires that they’ve hardly spent enough time with, even if they are soulmates. If we imagined that the MC “fell in love” with A and N at first sight, I might be able to understand it better, but even that could come off as mere lust.

As you said, more options would have been helpful in this situation.

That’s understandable. With that being said, while they may be flirting with, entertaining, or in a relationship with N, the MC in the LT comes across as very entitled to expect A to declare their affection for them. It’s interesting that the player has the option to appear self-righteous toward A and F in this circumstance, but it also makes me dislike the MC. In A’s solo route, they’re also a little like this, or at least that’s how I see it, and I think that’s why I allow A so much leeway in their acts and inactions, aside from the fact that their decisions don’t annoy me in general.The more I think about the entire series so far, the more I come to understand how much I dislike the MC and N because it doesn’t seem like they’ll be developing in the same manner that M has. Instead, they get worse.

Book 4 should be the conclusion of the struggles on both of these routes. I’m not sure what else can be written about N pretending to be ignorant and M allegedly being ignorant to postpone the drama’s inevitable climax. Additionally, there are signs that M is aware of their love for the MC throughout book 3 and even on Patreon with the talk that M had with Alima. So their inability to categorize their feelings is the only reason they are ignorant? Given the interaction they had with Alima and how she said she loved M and couldn’t understand why the MC was chosen, they should be aware that they have romantic feelings for the MC. It’s all very contradicting.

In Book 5, the MC will separate from everyone, correct? As a result, all of the paths that involve a love conflict ought to end. If the conflict isn’t settled by the end of Book 4, everything will be really unnatural and ridiculous.

Book 2

I think I just found it entertaining that we could see her lifeless body, clean her blood off our hands with our clothes, choose to accept responsibility for her death or not, and even have a hallucination of her dead body standing next to Falk near the end. I enjoy horror, thrillers, gore, and unstable characters, among other things. As a result, I see these things as a win for myself.

I agree that the canonical course of action was probably to let the LI get hurt. If you choose to save them over Sanja out of all the LIs, I believe F might get the best scene. I believe we should’ve had the same opportunity to have satisfying scenes with A and M if we had chosen to save them instead.

If we had saved Sanja and then given the LI’s our blood, I wonder how things would have turned out. Wouldn’t that have aided in their rapid recovery? When Unit B was declaring they wouldn’t be able to defeat Sin, if I were the MC, I would have been giving them my blood at every chance. We could have contributed our blood to bolster Unit B instead of having our MC repeatedly state that we’ll be battling Sin alone.

You see, I’m never able to figure out how to keep Sanja alive while saving the LI. Even when I saved N in one of them and skipped the tests, she still died. The way the code is written makes it impossible for me to understand even when I read it. It was a slow moment for me, but because it also happened to you, perhaps it’s more randomized on whether she lives or not.

I’ve read a few of your fics, and they’re written really well. My favorite was the Carnival Carnage; it was amusing, especially when Dezh used a dart to stab herself in the arm to prove how dull they were.

Lmao! I think someone also compared the trappers to the stormtroopers from Star Wars; both of these comparisons are accurate. I wonder if she finds it difficult or uncomfortable to write scenes of intense combat. I know she doesn’t like guns, which is why ours is magically unavailable, and this is where she would benefit from having a co-writer. Ask them to write the scenes that are required yet uncomfortable for her to write. The MC in Book 4 will suddenly shift to the side as a trapper trips over a pebble and knocks themselves out from the force of the fall.

Book 3

That’s interesting; I don’t have an MC that went on that path. I’ll have to try it on my next Adam save. I would imagine that if the MC’s blood is taken when in the cell, it should come up again. Maybe the next antagonist somehow acquired it? If the blood wasn’t taken, then maybe there’s a scene at the start of Book 4 where the MC’s blood is acquired from a fight with the trappers and the antagonist has the ability to take that small amount of blood and duplicate it to some extent?

I’m curious about this as well. I was thinking, “Why wouldn’t the MC attempt to contact this Chamber member to get answers?” This leads back to the agency being incompetent, but I’m realizing that they’re only incompetent because the unknown needs to be dragged out, and like you said, the trappers and antagonists need to seem dangerous. If the agency were competent and allowed its agents to murder the trappers and antagonists, there would be less drama, but I think the series would’ve actually benefited from the agency being competent; not every aspect of the game needs to have drama. It would’ve been nice if one aspect of the game had less drama. For example, we have drama in our friendships with Verda and Tina, drama in potential romantic relationships with Unit B, drama with Bobby being a pest, drama while being detectives in general, and drama within the agency, which could come from several people. So far, the only route with no real drama is F.

I was also thinking of an interesting way an antagonist could torture the MC. You know how M’s pheromones hurt the MC? What if an antagonist could create a device that does something similar and puts the MC out of commission? Or it could simply be an antagonist that has strong pheromones like M and uses them to their advantage when dealing with the MC and Unit B.

I’ve expressed this theory before, and I’m interested in your thoughts on it. My theory was that Rebecca secretly blamed the Chamber members for Rook’s death. She didn’t seem to have a high opinion of them during the scene in Book 3, which makes me wonder whether they made a mistake that caused Rook’s death. This would not make them evil (considering Sera has stated they won’t be), but it would explain why Rebecca isn’t thrilled with the MC joining the agency or being propositioned by the Chamber. Personally, I think she knows what happened to Rook, and she’s just lying about it.

Lmao! It would be good to see the genuine N return rather than the deranged facade that they present. It’s interesting how they try to present a calm, understanding, and in control persona, in actuality, they seem to deteriorate into a more irrational state the longer they do so.

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N and MC’s relationship feels very codependent, like they can’t breathe without the other, if we add N’s controlling behaviour and ‘paranoia’ it becomes pretty toxic imo. I’m so salty about b3!N, they’re so different from b2!N and I just missed them, ok? :cry: M and the MC have a way more healthy relationship.

I see how this is true and I kind of agree with you. Rebecca is such a curious case of contradictions when it comes to Rook. His death was one the most devastating events of her life yet she didn’t want to know anything about what happened to him, who was responsible for his death etc. In a sense it seems like she doesn’t want any closure (granted nothing is going to change the fact that Rook is dead) and I would have expected someone with her resources and access within the agency to want to do a side investigation or something. Didn’t she fear for her life? The life of her child? She just swept everything under the rug and has been mourning and wallowing in misery ever since.

Seeing how devoted Rebecca is to her job and how much she trusts the Agency, I’m starting to believe that there’s no deeper meaning than her not wanting the MC around her all the time.

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Never apologize for lengthy discussions. I love them.

Romances

This is the biggest problem of all in this series–almost zero agency. Very rarely can you actually decide how your MC feels about the vampires and romances. The text tells you how it is and that’s that, no matter how big of a disconnect there may be. If the MC weren’t forced into being an angsty doormat tween, it would help immensely.

I agree completely. Referring to the other three as “dates” is a freaking joke. Kind of like calling some of them “romances” is a joke, too. At least to me.

Understandably. As much as I rag on F for being a shitty friend to M and a M-mancing MC, N isn’t a whole lot better. It’s very telling that, if N is the MC’s bff, in the scene outside of the MC’s room, M immediately jumped to thinking N was going to be judgmental and think that M is a bad decision for the MC. This is someone M has known for most of their time as a vampire. So, like 100ish years? It says something that M has enough experience with N to have that reaction to N.

Has M had much interaction with a N-romancing MC? I know the “bff” crap from b3 was virtually non-existent, with only a scene or two with the MC and their bff, but I don’t remember making it all the way through my N-mancer’s game, and my husband doesn’t play N’s solo route. I’m curious to how M behaved to N in that scene. Not curious enough to dig through the code, though, lol.

:rofl: True. Hilarious, but true.

That makes sense, actually. I’m wondering exactly how OP she intends on making N once they either let themselves go with it or get enough blood so they have trouble controlling themselves. The control couldn’t extend to the MC, given their ability to resist mind control, so there has to be something else where they can “scare” the MC. I hope…

Yeah, I don’t get it either. Like we’ve discussed before, pacing is a huge problem, and I think the ridiculous slow-drip pace is hurting these supposedly soulmate love stories. I’m just not seeing it in the text as it’s written.

I can understand that. Again, though, if the MC were allowed some choices–for example, to walk away from A (or any of the LIs, really) and have the LI be the one seeking out the MC to try to repair/start/further things between them, it would work a lot better. Instead, everything is on the MC (except sex with M, but I have a feeling that may be going away in b4 for a time).

Since it’s all on the MC, the MC does kind of come off as entitled with A, whereas they should be able to say, “Okay, if that’s what you want, we will keep it strictly professional” and then draw some boundaries. If A wants inside those boundaries, A needs to approach the MC to do it.

Well, M will apparently be taking a huge step backward, so things will get worse with M and the MC, too. But with N, I honestly get the impression that we’re supposed to be so enthralled with how suave they are, that we aren’t supposed to question. The MC Sera writes for N’s path (and playing it again, it’s obvious that she has a different MC “type” in mind for each of the “paths”) is swept off their feet by N’s supposed polished romantic overtures, and even more spellbound when N lets that refinement slip and becomes “passionate”. This is what the pool table fuck was supposed to be, I think—N being overcome with passion and unable to hold back long enough to get to a more comfortable place to bang. Picture it like the Cullen/Inquisitor sex scene in Cullen’s office, where he sweeps everything off his desk to boink the Inquisitor. It just wasn’t presented well, and came off as out of character.

It’s contradicting because Sera’s insistence on having “the moment” M realizes their feelings is set in stone, and M isn’t allowed to follow the natural progress that occurred in b3.

That’s my guess on the matter, given that it will be a huge never-ending angstfest. It’s possible that the separation may happen in b4, too, given the hints that the LIs are having trouble with the MC’s blood being so tempting. I think she said on tumblr that the LIs are avoiding the MC.

Would that really surprise you? She’s already decided when things will happen. M will be the very end of b4 or b5. I could totally see her writing it so that M is still a fucking moron at the end of b4, just to make things worse in b5 (especially on M-mancers). As it is, we’ll be lucky to get one goddammed book with M and the MC actually settled with each other.

Book2, including how to choose the LI and still have Sanja alive

We aren’t allowed to do that either, because there’s apparently an already decided point in the story where the MC will be able to “donate” blood to the LI.

I know it’s a vampire story so we have to have some kind of fucking drama with the MC’s blood for the LI, but it would’ve made more sense to do this in the beginning. Or would’ve been more enjoyable, especially for A and M, who have enough fucking obstacles to their “romance” without throwing another ton of shit on the pile.

I’m already bored of the whole,“Oh noes, the MC’s blood is so powerful it’s tempting me to death and getting worse every day!! RHEEE!” thing, it’ll likely be dragged out through b4 and most of b5. Everything with the LIs is always dragged out too damned long. Like too much foreplay, instead of being titillating, the story just leaves you raw, unsatisfied, and pissed off. Can we get on to the fun part, please?

There are a few interactions in the sewer where you get “teller” points. You have to have two points for Sanja to survive, and you lose two points for saving the LI (you also have to have refused the tests). That means you need four points total to keep her alive.

  1. When N (or A, in the other scene) says they have to get the teller and get out without fighting, you have to agree with them (“in and out, got it”) to get the point. It’s before they give you the truly moronic “plan” of bursting in and announcing yourselves…
  2. You need to pass the skill check in the sewer to get the second point.
  3. You get this one when you fight the first person in the sewer, as long as you didn’t have the tests (if you did, you lose a point).
  4. Another skill check (“attempt to join the fight” for combat and whatever the others are). You need 70% in the skill you use in order to get the point.

Then you’ll lose two points for choosing the LI, leaving you with two points and a living Sanja.

Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed Carnival Carnage. It was probably one of my favorites to write–I love writing Adam and Dezh. That’s her bff, but she loves bickering with him, and she’s just as competitive as him, lol.

Book 3

That would be cool. Even cooler if they somehow could tinker with the blood to make it drive the vampires insane.

Thinking about b3, I really wonder how the trappers take supernatural powers from them. Obviously, it kills them, but how the hell do they extract them? And why didn’t the MC stumble on that information? It’d be nice to have stuff like that discussed in the game instead of blown past as though it doesn’t matter. It’d also be nice if something that cool was actually used to an extent that it matters, like temporarily hamstringing the LI (or the entirety of UB) by taking their supernatural powers from them and leaving them human until they can get them returned (or maybe use magic to do it, if having the trappers do it would make it permanent).

I like that idea.

I agree. It seems every time she opens her mouth, she lies, so it wouldn’t be a shocker to find out she’s lying about this, too. I like your take on the Chamber, that they made some mistake to cause Rook’s death. It would explain a lot about her reaction to the MC joining the Agency. It would also be a hell of a lot more interesting than her objecting simply because Rook was killed.

Did you all see the update for the week?

Not much got done, apparently, but this part was interesting:

So yeah, really want the endings to have a difference to them this time, and I know one of them certainly is an eye-opener with the love interest, hehe! :smiley:

This is all just speculation, but…

My guess is this is either for M or A. I’m actually leaning towards A, since she said long ago that M would be possibly end of b4, definitely b5, and she seems intent to drag things out with M as long as she can so the MC can’t be happy with them.

If I’m right, that means A’s would get settled at the end of b4. In which case, it will definitely be sometime in b5 before we get M pulling their head out of their ass (there’s no way she’ll allow M to get settled before the end part of b4). :disappointed: But that’s about what I expected, anyway–M’s always last, and the “not an official relationship and the MC psychically knows M loves them” will have to wait until the others are happy and settled.

I think that would be good news for the LT people, though. If A gets settled on their solo route, then the LT will likely come to a head as well, with N finally realizing what’s going on (ergo, getting an “eye opening” moment).

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I enjoyed B3 on my first read through, and I think overall in terms of the romance routes (specifically for F&M) there was some nice progress. However… the plot is… confusing, to say the least - definitely the weakest part of this book. And honestly, on subsequent replays, I feel like I’ve developed new pet peeves. The constant lip licking, smirking, chuckling, mentions of breath. The ever present inner monologue, it’s become a new pet peeve to be constantly told what the main character is feeling. Sigh.

I’m disappointed. I really took some time to garner my total thoughts on this book because I have a soft spot for this series but I can’t even stomach the idea of reading B3 again - not without a lot of skimming. I sincerely hope the writing is more expansive, cohesive and less oddly repetitive in future iterations.

Really surprised there isn’t stronger editing presence and beta reading with a series as big as this. The quality control was MIA lol.

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Yes, those words have started grating on me as well. I get that she’s a very descriptive writer, but you don’t need to describe every little thing. We don’t need to know every time the MC or another character moves a finger, opens their mouth preceding speaking, blinks, etc. I would also hope that the characters can do something other than licking their lips, rolling their lips, etc. Like you, the breath thing has really started pissing me off because the MC is constantly having asthma attacks over nothing.

Yep. We never get a choice about how our MC feels. Probably because, if we did have that ability, we wouldn’t have the MC acting like a wide-eyed tween angst machine from the stupidest anime ever written. This is a huge problem in the LT for my husband. We played his second LT MC last night again and the further he gets into it, the worse it gets with the disconnect between the MC’s actual feelings and what’s written. He’s given Nate a new nickname–Yandere Nate.

Skimming makes it a lot more enjoyable, actually. As soon as I start reading a description, he goes, “Skip!” and I hit next until I get to text that is actually relevant to what’s happening instead of a meaningless slew of overly-descriptive words. He’s trying to talk me into editing all of the chapter files to make it less repetitive, less over-the-top for the MC’s “thoughts”, give more choices when playing, and adjust the plot so it makes some sense. I had done it with a couple, but I may go ahead and do them all and recompile so we can play the recompiled version and forget about the rest until we have to do saves for b4.

She hired “professional” betas for this one, but it appears they did little except looking for typos and game-breaking bugs. Unfortunately, they didn’t even do a good job with that, given how a few choices from b2 were completely ignored.

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And all this time I figured it was the usual “readers with strong enough credentials” (…unless that’s the same thing, then), even before learning about the typos and bugs.
Honestly, whoever betas for ZE:SH (for one example that came to mind) should put in for a job application for that. Hell, they probably should’ve done that at Book 1.

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Oh look, another ask with “M is the only RO who doesn’t care about crap with the MC and isn’t close enough to them to behave otherwise” (but would if they were in deep, which isn’t now or any time in the near future, but you may get to see it before the whole goddammed series is over, teehee!). :expressionless:

It’s fun when the author makes certain to show that every RO but one actually gives a flying fuck about the MC.

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I don’t know… we have been “in deep” so many times at this point.

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I don’t think that’s the deep she meant…

Otherwise M would’ve been “caring” since chapter 10 of b2.

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M being a gentle(wo)man who respects boundaries to the point of knocking, even while having a spare key, is such a strange thing, considering how in-game they take almost every chance available to go uh la la :wink: all over the detective.
I’m not against it, but I had to double-check if it was about them or N. Especially since everyone else is pretty on brand for their character.

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