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I didn’t say M would ignore that the MC exists. But Sera has made statements on numerous occasions (including the link I put above) that M “woldn’t notice” or “wouldn’t listen” or something along those lines. That was my point, not that M pretends the detective is nonexistent, just that M wouldn’t pick up on certain things or notice them at all (like the MC spending long nights with someone else for work or in friendship).

If it came off that I thought M would just completely ignore the detective’s existence, then I hope this clears that up.

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But you also need to look at the context of the asks. The ask above was how would UB behave if they had a reason to be jealous. M isn’t the jealous type so they’re not going to notice if the MC is spending time a lot of time with someone because they wouldn’t even think to look for that. Theres nothing about how they just won’t notice the MC, period. I mean. Just read the books. M clearly notices the MC a lot.

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This sounds off to me–Sera has said that M doesn’t do the “usual romantic gestures” in terms of getting flowers and whatnot, but I’ve never seen her say that M would never say “I love you” to the Detective or refuse to hold hands with them or take them out to dinner? In fact, she’s said the opposite: that they would have no problem expressing their feelings once they realized them, that they would cuddle, give MC pet names, be the clingiest, and would be comfortable with casual affection and everything a romantic relationship can encompass.

When you say that “deep in a relationship, M would not notice the detective at all,” that comes off as them–well, not noticing the detective at all, aka ignoring, which isn’t true, as Sera has stated that M is the clingiest RO and one who is very aware of the MC’s actions. In fact, she said M would be completely devastated if the MC ever left Wayhaven! I haven’t seen anything saying that M wouldn’t hold MC’s hand if they wanted to, or say I love you, or get jealous–in fact the opposite–so it’s interesting that you read it that way. :thinking:

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My only problem with the asks you listed is that it’s just M being okay with those type of touches(not really initiateing it back) and one was meant in a sexual way. I think that yeah M will be in love with the mc but won’t initiate their love in a non-sexual way. (basing on the asks.)

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Yes, based from the ask. All in all, these are theories based from different reply provided by the author.

From how I understand it, each one have their own interpretation and this is getting circular, let’s lay this issue to rest.

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Uh, the way I see it, it’s like M is a cat.

They won’t really initiate affection unless you call out to them and make your desire known, but that doesn’t mean they’ll run away and hide or gripe through any kind of affection, and I’m certain they’ll still enjoy it because it’s the MC giving them affection aw yissssssss.

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I’m not so sure. Yes, the context is in a case of jealousy, but she does come right out and say M wouldn’t even notice the MC spending mass amounts of time (and really long nights) with someone not them unless it was pointed out to them. Personally, I’d notice if the object of my affection was gone most of the night every night, and spending time with someone else so often that others feel the need to point it out to me. M doesn’t seem to be wired that way. Maybe that’s the ego thing Sera mentioned in that ask, and M is just so sure of themselves that they don’t worry about what the MC does or where they go or if they spend the majority of their time with someone else.

But yes, I agree M notices the MC a lot–when they’re around them or about to see them. When M gets to the point where there are actually feelings, I imagine that will shift to M thinking about the MC when they aren’t there as well, especially given the comments about M being the most clingy. But if they don’t even notice when the MC is gone for long periods of time and off with someone else all hours of the night–which is what Sera said–then that’s a different kind of ‘noticing’ the MC and they apparently don’t do it.

I mean, I get it–Sera says in that ask that M isn’t the jealous type so it wouldn’t bother them, but the part about M not noticing was specific in that they wouldn’t even notice the MC was gone with someone else that much. At least, that’s how I took it given the way she worded it.

For the three words thing…

Specifically:

The words aren’t something M would say often, or ever, in fact!

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There’s also the fact that no where in this ask does Sera specifically say that this is “Deep Romance” M or just in general.

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Okay, you win that one. :stuck_out_tongue:

I just assumed it was deep romance. It still could be deep romance, though!

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For M, “Action speaks louder than words.” not in a sexual way.

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Agreed (both in what you said and in the general sentiment). I merely pointed it out because @rinari stated that M would say the words. Sera basically implied that would never happen. Best we recognize that up front, right?

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I don’t think M wouldn’t ever say the words. Maybe not unprompted, at least early, but I wouldn’t discount it.

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No, offence but you kind of did.

And while I would hazard a guess on M’s way of expressing themselves, I wouldn’t set anything in stone. There are a lot of books left so we’ll see where Sera takes us!

I for one am looking forward to how disasterous M is romance wise

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The context of the ask was about M processing jealous feelings, though, not about how they would feel about the M spending time away. Given there’s an ask where Sera directly says that M is clingy, it kind of goes against what Sera has said about her own character to say that this ask shows that M isn’t going to pay attention to where the MC is.

And given the way the “pointing out” is worded within the ask,

if it was pointed out to them, eg ‘Oh, MC and Blah sure have been together a lot lately. Long nights alone… you know what that means, don’t you, M…’

It seems pretty unambiguous that what’s being pointed out is that the events warrant jealous feelings, not just the fact that the MC was spending time with other people

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Bad wording, I suppose. I believed that M not noticing the MC was spending long nights out and away was a sign that M would pay no attention to what the detective does (at all). And I still believe that the ask (and others making comments about M not paying attention or noticing certain things) is a sign that that really is the case. I do not, however, believe that M will “ignore” the detective. Just what the detective does or says (unless it’s of particular interest to M, anyway), and that’s exactly how M treats UB–and those are the most important people in the world to M.

As for the other quotes you used from me, not seeing the problem. No dating phase isn’t an issue (for me, anyway) and the hand-holding, gushy crap isn’t M’s style (or the style of the MC I have with Mason).

I agree that nothing is set in stone. I’m just going off what we’ve gotten in asks and in book 1 and the demo. Given how long of a wait we have before it’s all over, I think hazarding a guess as to how things with go in all paths will at least keep discussion going and keep us entertained long enough to wait between books. The waiting sucks!

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It might be an issue for other people, though, and Sera has never said there would be no dating in M’s romance. In fact she has specified the opposite.

I don’t want other people to think that M’s romance isn’t worth playing because its lacking, and until the games are out we don’t know how its going to happen. Saying things like “M’s route won’t have any mushy crap” in, one, makes the people who do like that stuff feel excluded, and two, we don’t even know if thats true or not. For all we know we might get to have a heavy make out session with M in the carnival and won’t kiss N till the end of the book!

We don’t want to send the wrong message about the books when we have no idea whats going on in them, and while the asks are fun they are not any sort of concrete facts. Nothing is concrete until the books are published. We have to be careful about speculating because we don’t want people to get the wrong idea as, apparently, people already have.

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I’m just going to say some of these asks are probably pretty old, so it’s possible that the author have changed things. Like in the older asks deep into the relationship A seemed happier and didn’t have any dimples but in the most recent asks, it seems like A gets more worried the deeper it goes and has dimples now.I’m assuming the longer the books take, the author might change her mind on some things. (and that’s okay because sometimes author’s find things that won’t work out.)

But nevertheless, I still kind of wonder about the M and them being clingy, most of the time when I think of clinginess I think of them blowing up your phone, wanting to follow them everywhere, getting easily jealous and M don’t seem to be like that. (assuming their personality doesn’t change.)

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M’s personality won’t change. Sera has stated before that she doesn’t believe that love changes people, but rather love is about accepting someone for who they are and loving them anyway.

If I remember correctly, M’s “clinginess” (which isn’t really the best word in this case) is more physical in nature, insofar that they just enjoy being around the MC, even if they’re not really interacting one on one. It’s just their physical presence that they rather enjoy because…well, they love the MC, so why wouldn’t they want to be around them?

I kind of think of it like when my dogs follow me from room to room. “Oh, we’re leaving the living room? Ok, bedroom it is—oh, you’re just changing your shoes. Oh, we’re going out? Cool!”

Keep in mind, I also don’t think Sera intends for M to come off as the type of person who needs to know where the MC is all the time—that type of behavior is just controlling, and a huge red flag—as much as M just likes being around the MC, which is also something I imagine all of the vamps would do, but that it’s more pronounced in M because, well, M does what they want.

A or N: “Oh, I would hang out, but I really need to finish this report because someone didn’t do it.”

F: “Oh gosh, I don’t want to do this report at all, let’s go out instead!”

M: “N will just write my report for me. Let’s just hang on the couch.”

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Well, she has said that M won’t really change at all (as in personality and who he is). He will just get less hostile, lol.

As for the clingy part, I think that clingyness, like romance, might be defined differently. There’s this little gem:

Early in the relationship (and I’m assuming there’s actually a relationship instead of it being during the flirting or banging stage), M literally doesn’t give a damn about the MC enough to bother trying to get them back if they walk (and would immediately look for someone else). But deep into the relationship, M would “slink back” because they wouldn’t want to lose the MC.

That isn’t changing M’s personality, it’s just that M actually feels something so they try to fix things. So I think that, while M won’t change, they just behave differently once they actually care about the MC past “I want in your pants.”

It’ll take a really long time to get there, but once it’s there, maybe the clingyness and other stuff would be more obvious. As @resuri08 said, M is all about action, not words. They may not show affection in the way N or F do, but they will show it. And, who knows, maybe @Mewsly is right and Sera will decide to make M gushy and lovey. Given the things I’ve seen in the asks, I won’t hold my breath, but it’s possible Sera will change her mind. At the very least, what we get from M will be whatever the character can offer to show their feelings, just like the others.

To @Mewsly I would so bet you that N-mancers get a kiss way before M, at this point (and N will likely kiss the MC at the carnival or at least by the end of the book). I don’t think M-mancers will get a kiss, much less a makeout session before the end of book 2. After the ‘long game’ comment from M’s thoughts, I get the feeling that MC’s who want to have some unfettered fun with M are gonna have to wait for a long while. It may be that Sera intends for us to wait until F and N get into a relationship with the MC before our MCs can have a go at M. So yeah, I’d totally bet you an Amazon gift card on what you said!

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Yeah, If that’s what the author meant then I don’t think that’s clingy really, I think being clingy is more… controlling. It’s really isn’t something to strive for in a relationship. (and if M was all that I said then that would be a red flag.)

I’m kind of hoping it’s in book three since I think that’s when N route becomes deeper into the romance.(plus I’m hoping for an “I love you” then a kiss, it would seem weird if N and the mc started kissing and they haven’t even said “I love you” yet and because I love that trope.)