I believe there is a missing word or two when she typed that out. Yes, those 2 ROs are slow burn. I think what she meant to say was that just because A and M will be slow burn, she doesn’t get why people will assume that there will be no romance.
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I don’t recall anyone saying that we won’t get any romance with A or M. I wonder from where did the anon get that impression.
The most I have seen is some people saying that the actual relationship with A and M will happen later in the series, but nothing like “we will never have a relationship with them”.
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Wait, there are people who think A and M are not romancable because they are slow burn !?!?!?! Oh my god 
. Are we living in an era where people expect romance on the spot? I appreciate a slow burn romance, especially if the climax is worth it. One needs to look at Mass Effect 2, concerning Jack. I won’t say spoilers, unless you people have played it.
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I don’t think anyone assumed they weren’t romanceable. But both M and A reportedly take their time being truly comfortable with the kind of affection that is a given for N and F.
I, too, wondered just how much of M’s deep relationship status we were gonna see in-game. But like…I live for slow burn. I live for the dramatic ‘I want to, but I can’t’, for the angst-fueled kisses and subtle, but meaningful moments. That’s why M and A will always be my prefered routes.
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Yeah, I never heard anyone say that we won’t get any romance from A and M. Though there were people talking about M not getting to the romance part until the books is almost over(book five I think) and all those comments about whether or not M romance route is healthy or romantic, but that’s about it.
And most people on the forums really don’t talk about A(or N really) like with F or/and M, which I guess makes sense because N and A routes are I guess in a way boring?(I don’t think they are boring but idk)
I’m assuming the ask is kind of old so they are probably talking about the last thread tho which I wasn’t really active on so I don’t know about that thread.
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Bleh, this too damned long, so I’m hiding parts…
@Alexis - tl;dr: Romance is emotional foreplay
Well, it’s a given we won’t get as much of that stuff with A or M as we do with N or F, since M has no feelings for a very long time and A is so repressed he needs to take an entire box of emotional ex-lax. I think @resuri08’s point was that, to a lot of people (Sera included, from what I’ve deduced from things she’s said), the ‘romance’ part is just the build up to relationship and deep stuff.
So ‘romance’ is kind of like emotional foreplay, if you will. Some characters–like N or F–don’t need as much foreplay, because they’re ‘rarin’ to go’ pretty quickly into the relationship and relationshippy things. M and A need a shit ton of emotional foreplay–M, because they literally only want sex from the MC and have no interest otherwise (and no emotions), and A, because, again, has a serious case of emotional anorgasmia, so the MC has to go slow and easy (or just fuck with them by being bold, because that’s more fun).
In other words, the romance is like what we’ve seen in book 1 and the demo–things like A trying to impress by hulking trees around like they’re made of paper, M slinging the MC over their shoulder to ‘help’ them over an obstacle, N being all sweet and romantic and about to kiss the MC before yet another interruption, and F… being hilariously F. The touchy feeling things like you’re talking about are for the relationship, not during the ‘romance’ (adding a qualifying ‘I think’ here), so we won’t get to see any of it from A or M until near the end.
@blackrising A, M, & angst
Not very much, if I had to bet, but you know that’s what you sign up for when you sign onto the M route, right?
I don’t see so much angst with the M route, unless the MC has feelings for them quickly. I can, however, see a more sexual MC becoming quickly frustrated if the ‘interruption machine’ keeps churning out things to keep the MC and M from “having fun.”
With N and F, it’s been said repeatedly that there is nothing keeping the MC from getting into a relationship with them and it’ll happen pretty quickly. With M, there’s really no reason other than choice to keep the MC from banging them like a Salvation Army drum, so if things keep getting in the way just to draw it out longer so it lines up with ‘feelings’ way down the line, I may throw my laptop through a window.
Edited to add: The only reason I can see to hold back on sex with M is the knowledge that, once M gets some from the MC, they’ll be done with them and looking for the next notch in the bedpost. However, there are narrative ways around this problem (since the MC is ‘the one’ for M, even if M doesn’t know it yet). So bring on the fun, dammit.
With A, yeah I see the angst. Though, my MC with Adam doesn’t really see it as angst… she just likes being bold flirty and watching him show tiny reactions. She doesn’t figure anything will ever come of it, anyway.
@Alexis and @Meira_Litch Yeah, I don’t recall seeing anyone saying we’d never get a relationship with A or M.
And yeah, @Alexis, I was one of the ones who dug up the ask where Sera said it’d be book five before we got to M actually having feelings for the MC, which she described as deep romance/relationship. I don’t get the people who think M’s route is unhealthy–M is as honest as they come about what they want, and their kink is consent, so there’s really nothing unhealthy at all.
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I don’t think the ask was worried that A or M weren’t romance options, just worried that we won’t get to experience their deeper romance in the books, which I know a few people have concerns about.
I’m glad that we are going to get to see that! And the journey to that point is going to be just as fun and romantic!
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I think it should be pretty apparent from the Book 2 demo that isn’t the case. A and M are already developing feelings; there are signs of attachment already. Perhaps that ask was old or that person didn’t know about the demo and just read the old threads where people were mistaken with their theories. 
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I haven’t been to CoG forums much, but this is the game that made me join it. Belated Happy Birrrthday, Sera. I totally love your work.
Is there gonna be a second demo? If yes, any ideas when? I’m having a hard time being out of Wayhaven.
It’s already out!
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Sorry, I left out the words “just because” A and M route are slow burns… @spunkycatninja was correct. What I meant was why people equate slow burns =/= less romance scenes. I edited my post. I apologize for the confusion. 
Based from what I read in Book Two so far, A’s and M’s romance scene variation are as good as N’s and F’s. =D
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You know what they say: the flame that burns twice as bright is half as long 
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Yeah, I noticed that there were a few people talking about M being unhealthy on the demo thread so it was really only a matter of time before someone posts about on here. I don’t think M is abusive or harmful, but I do think that A’s and M’s route probably won’t be that romantic deeper down the relationship. I really like A’s route because of how they second-guess themselves and try to make excuses earlier in the relationship(which I think is pretty cute) but if going to keep happening 5, 10 or 20(I don’t know how many years this game going to take place in) years down the line then yeah I don’t think it will be all that cute. 
For M based on the asks it just seems like there’s really no difference in how they probably treat you deeper into the friendship route and deeper into the relationship(aside from ‘suggestions’). I don’t know it just seems like M will never say “I love you” and all their romantic interactions will be sexual and not really romance romantic. (like sharing clothes)
Yeah, they all good in their own way, but I do think N’s route is more romantic(for now) than the rest. After all, in their route, there was almost a kiss scene.(but I hope all routes will get their almost kiss scenes.)
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I wouldn’t be worried about that. IIRC, Sera love those scenes very much that I wholly believe those scenes will be incorporated on each route one way or another. It’s just N has more faster pacing in terms of making their feelings known.
I doubt Sera will make A’s and M’s route stagnant until the very end since she really did clarify that TWC is more a character based story so we should expect more character development scenes compare to some other HG or CoG titles, which concentrate more on adventure, fighting the villains and such.
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I personally would not worry too much. I think every route get’s the same fair share.
How I understand/imagine it, is that we get with all four paths a good romance, but with how diffrent the characters are such are the romances diffrent from each other.
As an example, should (finally) the scene with the first kiss come (for which I am sure we are all praying to come) it will be around the same time no matter the LI, but with each one there would be diffrent circumstances. With N it would be to get to do this what a normal couple would do, but they never could do it before, because of the supernatural chaos, that is now Wayhaven. With A in comparision, it would be a major break through her armor of denial, and could lead to them open up more in the future for such things.
That is how I think it will work out, but like I said, I wouldn’t worry to much. Sera has said multiple times, that she tries to make a great romance for all of them, no one excluded.
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In a hand-holding, lovey-dovey, cutesy sense? I agree, but the MCs I have with them aren’t into that kinda thing, anyway. I know those are the most common ways of showing affection, but not everyone is into that kinda thing.
From what Sera has said regarding M, he has his own ways of showing affection for the detective, ways that clearly differ from how they’d behave with a non-romanced detective. For example, she said M would be more likely to put an arm around the detective’s waist than hold hands (I’ll take M’s version, personally).
Honestly, the thing that bothers me most about M is the fact that, even deep in the relationship, they’d apparently pay no attention to the detective at all (like there was an ask about the MC spending long nights with someone else and Sera said M wouldn’t even notice it).
As for A, in the ask about the long night thing, A would put an arm around the MC’s waist when around the person they were spending long nights with.
So yeah, M & A might not be romantic in a traditional sense of the word, but deep into a relationship, they’d show their affection in their own ways.
Agreed. I think the problem with A & M’s routes is that, even if the seven books only cover a few years, it’ll likely be fourish years before we hit book five (when we get to the deep stuff with M) and at least that long or longer before A pulls the ginormous stick out of their ass (Sera said A is already in deep, so they just have to stop pretending they aren’t already in love), so it will feel a hell of a lot longer than it takes storywise.
It will be made worse if, after every book, the MC has no contact with UB for weeks or months. Whereas that wouldn’t make a difference with N & F, since they’ll be deep in the relationship by book 3 or sooner. With A & M, weeks with no contact only serves to nullify some or all of the progress the MC has made with them.
Yeah, from what Sera has said, M will never say those three words to the detective or hold hands or take them out to dinner (or even go with them to dinner, according to a recent ask) or stuff like that. But deep in a relationship, M would give up one of their precious leather cords and let the MC wear it. M would choose to save the detective over the world. If the MC left Wayhaven, M would go with them without hesitation. I’d that kind of loyalty and affection over hand-holding any day of the week, and so would my detective who’s with M.
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That is… Not true at all?
Sera has said repeatly that M is probably the most clingy in a deep relationship And also is the most lonely without the MC deep relationship.
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Yeah in the author’s way older asks it seems that A was more comfortable and happier deeper into the relationship(like there were two asks one about the mc hugging the ro’s from behind and another one where the mc jumps on the ro’s back, in both A seemed happier.) I don’t know if the author changed how A act deeper into the relationship but I’m going to assume A will be the same as they are now.
Yeah, and then there was that ask about the mc having a friendly ex and M was pretty uneasy in that situation so I’m assumeing M’s pick and chose what they’re uneasy about. (like N.)
I’m surprised that M is most clingiest they really don’t show signs of it in any of the asks.
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I know (and love) the clingy thing, but what I said is directly from Sera. Here’s the ask:
The specific part:
M… as usual, they’re the hardest to answer for
The fact the MC was spending a lot of time with someone probably wouldn’t even register on their radar. But, if it was pointed out to them, eg ‘Oh, MC and Blah sure have been together a lot lately. Long nights alone… you know what that means, don’t you, M…’ Things would probably change then, lol. Lots of getting in between them and tagging along. M has never really felt jealous- they are very, very self-assured- so would be clueless about how to go about dealing with the emotion.
So yeah, M would try to insert themselves into it if someone pointed it out to them, but Sera said straight out M wouldn’t notice unless it was pointed out to them.
See above. I think M would be uneasy in any of it if they noticed it was happening.
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Shes referring to M not getting jealous over the MC spending time with someone else and not “M will ignore that the MC exists.”
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