What I’d be concerned about would be some other supernatural with strong, mind altering abilities turning UB against the MC. That’d be rough.
Yeah for that part I mostly was trying to list things I felt probably wasn’t part of their personality, like for example I understand that early in the relationship Mason/Morgan probably doesn’t care if the main character feels uncomfortable by their sexual comments but once the feelings are in play and mason/Morgan loyalty for the main character is there, I hope they would try to keep those comments to themselves if the main character was uncomfortable with them, but if they don’t that’s probably will be where the unhealthy relationship part comes in.
For that part I got it off the author tumblr, I remember there was a question about what would mason/Morgan do if the main character continued doing what they were doing after mason/Morgan threatens them, and if I’m not getting it incorrect the author then said mason/Morgan would go through with the threat, this one question kind of make it seem that mason/Morgan is abusive, but I didn’t want to assume anything. I mostly list it because I wasn’t exactly sure if that was how it was worded(it’s been a long time since I read it again)and if the author meant it in another way.
I do admit I kind of was nitpicky for nate/nat, so some of the things I list were probably one thing occurrences(I think the guilt tripping thing only happens in the book one during the reveal), but they nevertheless felt off.
If this was the case, I would think the unhealthy one is the MC, not M. If MC feels uncomfortable with a strongly sexual person and still chooses to be with M, then the one I see as abused is M, not the MC. You don’t go into a relationship wanting to change something that is part of the core personality of the other. If something bothered the MC so deeply, they should simply not be with M to start with.
And this, I might be remembering this from the top of my head, but I think I remember this ask to be answered in a more jokey and light hearted way. I think you might be referring to one question about M tying the MC to a chair?
I might be wrong but I think there was also one about pushing the MC out of bed if they put their cold feet on M again after being warned. I could be wrong though. Honestly though, fair.
Actually I think it might have been the ask about an MC with cold feet? Where someone asked Sera how the vampires would react to an MC putting their cold feet on their partner in bed, Sera answered that M would say that if they did it again M would shove them out of the bed, and then someone asked whether M would follow through on that threat and Sera said that yes, M doesn’t make threats that they won’t follow through on.
So, I don’t think it was necessarily joking, but it’s also in response to the MC doing kind of rude (maybe playfully rude, but still rude) things that are probably rougher to M due to their super senses. So it’s fair of M to want them to stop.
It’s probably not super polite to physically remove the MC from the bed, but M did warn them, and this is presumably pretty far into the relationship if M and the MC are just resting in bed together, so by now the MC is probably aware that M can be a bit rough with their actions, and that they follow through on their threats. Physical abuse isn’t always clear cut but this is at least definitely not intended to be that
In this case I agree with M, not gonna lie. If I tell someone to take their cold feet of me and they don’t, they are flying out the window the next second.
So what you’re telling me is…M is more merciful than you.
@Nathaniel I just happen to have every ask related to M and did a search. I couldn’t come up with anything regarding an actual threat to the MC (there were a couple of funny ones I could share), but I wonder if you were talking about this one, regarding M carrying out a threat against someone bothering the MC?
M isn’t abusive, but they are very rough around the edges, and lack the qualities that make most people adhere to social and societal norms for behavior (they basically lack giving a shit, lol). They’re growling and grumpy and seem to have no sense of humor on the surface (they do, but their sense of humor is much like mine–inappropriate and/or raunchy). I think their attitude and tendency to behave like a steamroller scares people off, which is fine with them… until they meet the detective, anyway. At the end of book 1, M is already acting on instinct around the detective (shoving the MC behind them to protect them from Murphy), but they don’t really recognize the reason for it or care to find out past “I want in the MC’s pants”.
As for the sex talk, I think @Meira_Litch said it best–if it makes the MC that uncomfortable, then the MC shouldn’t be with M in the first place, because that is part of who M is. I’m certain it’ll get toned down somewhat as the series progresses (it’s already happening in the demo, with M actually chilling out around the MC as they walk through the woods), but M won’t change (they can keep in their pants, though, for non-sexual MCs, but I’m sure they’ll want to be near the MC somehow, regardless).
Honestly? Yes
When it comes to this type of thing my patience is below zero
I really hate when I tell someone that knows me well to don’t do something that really annoys me, and they decide to either ignore me or think I am not serious (I always say I am being serious when I am, so there are no misunderstandings, still at times some people decide is not serious), and when this happens… Fury unleashes
So, yeah, I can relate to M in this one.
I…really disagree with this. If an MC wants to be with M but still has boundaries (“don’t say sexual things about me in the presence of other people” or “this is moving too fast for me”) that’s not abuse. Yes, going into a relationship for the express purpose of changing somebody is wrong. However, an MC politely requesting M to tone down sexual comments (especially in the presence of other people or in the workplace) is a marker of boundaries, not a sign that they want to change M’s personality, behaviors, or habits completely. If anything, the onus is on M to respect the MC’s boundaries. If M feels slighted by this, then M and the MC should be able to work out their differences for the sake of the relationship, or they should agree to end it. But an MC that asks for M to stop making sexual comments so soon (and in public) is definitely not abusing M. M is not entitled to make those comments.
M is more merciful than a lot of us, I think. I have literally kicked someone out of the bed for the cold feet thing before (I warned him first, then I put my foot on his hip and pushed hard… THUD!).
I have also literally knocked someone twice my size out of a booth at a restaurant before (after warning him) because–get this–a freaking roach crawled across the table (that was the last time he picked a restaurant that I ate at). I squealed, told him to move, and when he didn’t, I knocked his ass out of the booth and jumped over him. He’s lucky I didn’t kick him for good measure, since he thought it was funny to trap me in a booth with a frigging bug crawling across the table.
So yeah, M is nicer than me.
I understand @Nathaniel’s concern—characters like M do often end up creepy or abusive. However, that’s usually a flaw of the writer, not the archetype. Sera has a habit of putting her own spin on tired tropes and making them fun or cute. Plus, she puts so much effort and love into her characters, she wouldn’t take that route. If you need reassurance, Sera has said that M wouldn’t ever force themselves on the unwilling, and they do tone it down if the MC is unresponsive. In fact, here’s a post about how M isn’t really handsy with a shy MC:
Writing M has to be a balancing act
I want them to be very physically powerful, forward, and domineering to a degree, but they still have lines.
We will have the option to have no sex at all with M, and M will respect that. We can put boundaries on what we want or not want, but not to a point in which we erase who M is.
But now, trying to tame down M’s sexual nature is… not right. M already “behaves” themselves around a shy MC. They don’t touch shy MC’s, and they don’t get into their personal space. But again, their sexual nature is an intrinsic part of their being, and trying to tell M to not show that, is, in my opinion, wrong.
Because let’s be fair, any MC that gets into a relation with M, knows perfectly well what they are getting into. This is not to say that they will not adapt to a degree to the MC, as I am sure they will do (as they are already doing), but one thing is that, and another is say they might be abusive because they don’t bend their personality to fit the MC.
You ninjed me with the shy MC @Hannah_Minger
It was that question and then there were two other asks, one I think about mason/Morgan threating the main character when they pick them up and other one where mason/Morgan threatens the main character when they injure themself trying to protect mason/Morgan, I think.
But I do agree that if the main character was the main character was trying to change that would be toxic, but I more meant in a way if the main character was recovering from something traumatic(like in the course of the series, being kidnapped) than I hope mason/Morgan won’t make any type threats or sexual comments or in general if the main character was tired of mason/Morgan making those types of comments.
But thanks @Hannah_Minger and everyone else, I kind of see what everyone ment and I don’t think mason/Morgan would hurt the main character sexually but from some things I read it seemed like mason/Morgan could be verbal abusive, I just hope that isn’t the case.
I think this will depend on how sensitive the reader is
Being me I would probably just find it amusing and the opportunity to have a fun fight between friends/lovers lol!
I think it’s wrong for an MC to say, “Never make these comments ever again” and “If you love me, you would change/do X”. That’s manipulative and applying undue pressure, which is unhealthy and abusive. However, an MC that asks M to reserve those comments for moments where they are in private, or that they would be more comfortable with those comments at a later date (say, in a month as opposed to the first week of getting to know each other) is not an effort to change M, but to establish boundaries that both partners are free to negotiate and change as their relationship progresses. IMO, that’s not abusive or an effort to change M. It’s knowing that M wants to make sexual comments and that the MC is game—under certain circumstances that are subject to change. If sexual comments in general are a hard line the MC can’t cross, then yeah, they shouldn’t be in a relationship with M. But I don’t think that M should have free reign to make those comments (unless both parties consent.) I just disagree that any attempt by the MC to negotiate boundaries regarding comments is changing M’s personality.
@Nathaniel You have the same name as Nate, that’s pretty neat lol
Although I wouldn’t like it if a romanceable character had my rl name
I want to toss in my two cents here, if that’s okay.
We do gotta remember that this is a game. If the player sees M’s interactions with the MC in the first book and decides “yes, I’m gonna romance them still” then it’s not really a failing on the game’s part that it assumes that the player and the MC are both interested in persuing M, flaws and all. We’re making a silent agreement with the game that we’re more or less on board with M’s character. If M’s romance makes you uncomfortable then there’s no shame in just not playing it.
But for what it’s worth M does have pretty great control around the MC. They actually find the MC attractive in every route but they only pursue them if the MC shows interest back, and they alter their behavior to match the MC. The only times I can think of M touching my shy MC is when they either give explicit permission like during the tree scene in Book 2 or if they’re literally pulling them out of danger. Compared to F, N, and even A who almost touches the MC’s neck at the end Book 1, that’s pretty impressive.
We have say this many times, but I will say it one more for the people at the back
M’s kink is consent
Funny enough I’m pretty similar in the fact that I’m somewhat overprotective and from what I heard from other people, friendly. I guess that’s why im nitpicky about nate/nat and rated their route kind of low. Most people don’t want to romance the people their most like ,even in fiction.