Don’t worry that your summer can be worse. 
Better said July holidays.
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That’s the reason why I can’t really play any M route other than “genuine, kind, and up-front about wanting a romantic relationship.”
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Yes its so great, its my favorite way to romance M. They just seem so adorable when your able to throw them off there game. Plus, the reactions you get from F are priceless lol
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My M-mancer mixes it up. She flirts and is fine with the " means nothing" screwing (well, she was, until the b3 demo), but she’s also frequently kind and genuine with Mason when the situation warrants it.
I don’t think I’d be comfortable playing an MC who insists on a relationship with M, because I don’t like playing characters who try to force others into something they clearly don’t want and aren’t comfortable with. It’s the same reason I didn’t like playing a pushy flirt with A in the beginning–it bordered on harassment, as far as I am concerned.
Even now that my Mason MC realizes she’s in love with him, she would never push for more knowing that he doesn’t want it. She’ll just suffer in silence and go punch things when it gets to be too much for her. It won’t stop her from being kind or genuine with him–in fact, now she will likely do that more without realizing it. But it also won’t stop her from flirting like hell when he starts it, because she figures that, if all she’ll ever get with him is sex, with him never caring, at least she’ll have that to remember after he dumps her.
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I have always had a hard time with having my MC mix and match with the flirt options. I usually either have them be a bold flirt or the opposite. Or what I like to call the kill them with kindness type romance. Which I love doing with Morgan. I find it even more funny because my MC knows about her flirting but chooses to act dense to mess with her 
That’s fair, I don’t really see it really as a case of M not wanting a genuine relationship. But it seems to be the idea of it that they are unconformable with or don’t know how to deal with. If M was that adamant about not having a relationship, they wouldn’t bother with the MC at all after they deny them sex. Even when my MC had a sexual relationship with Morgan, its clear that in Book 3 she is starting to have deeper feelings.
I have to hard disagree about A. I cant really see the harassment angle. I honestly couldn’t see myself romancing A without being bold 
This isn’t even considering at just how withdrawn A is emotionally and sexually. I feel like you would need be very forward to get your feelings across to them. Or else I would have to risk Ava x window happening, and I wont let that happen lol On a side note, even though Ava is hot. She is also pretty damn scary. If she felt Like she was being harassed, she for sure would shut that shit down.
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I mean, no? M’s the “EQ of minus eleventy billion” one. A is VERY aware of their and the MC’s feelings, it’s just that they want to bury those feelings in a deep dark place until they go away.
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Yes because you were forward with your feelings. You know choosing the “bold options”. At least when It comes to A. You can also be shy with them. But It doesn’t really make sense to me from a narrative standpoint. Due to what I stated above. When it comes to M. I don’t think there not aware. Its just that they don’t give a damn about those types of things. The MC can say that they want to be in relationship with M right off the back. Already showing that that want something deeper. Its just that M doesn’t want that, at least not at that moment.
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Even if you pick the shy options, A is very aware. This is repeatedly shown in pretty much every A POV scene. They even consciosuly dress up and wear perfume for you. There is no unawareness going on here.
No, they’re definitely unaware. “M doesn’t know wtf is going on with them” is the entire point of the ending of the rooftop scene in B2.
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Oh, I don’t mean mixing it up with the flirt options. When she flirts with Mason, it is always bold. I meant that she either flirts with him or is genuine/kind to him, depending on the situation (she loves to flirt in front of Nate just to annoy him, lol). But she never chooses to flirt in serious situations; in those, she’s nice and genuine to him, and is doing that more and more often because she is in love with him.
But that’s the thing–before the MC, they were that adamant about not being in a relationship. It’s literally why they don’t kiss their partners more than once, so they don’t get the wrong idea. And they are that uncomfortable with that because they don’t get it and never felt for anyone the way they will for the MC.
But yeah, M is starting to have deeper feelings whether or not the MC sleeps with them. As a reader, though, I just get uncomfortable with how uncomfortable it makes M to push for a relationship they are certain they don’t want (I’ve read the code to see the reactions).
My M-mancer will never push, no matter how much it hurts to be told she’s a receptacle for him and nothing else. At some point, she may blurt out that she’s in love with him but even then, she wouldn’t push him into something he is clearly resistant to. It’ll just have to happen when he’s ready for it and wants it, too.
This is true. But it’s not a matter of A having to “shut it down” and more a matter of A being uncomfortable and, dare I say it, seemingly squeamish when the MC is all up in their business about wanting to get laid. It’s similar to M’s reaction to the MC insisting on a serious relationship before sex–the MC is asking something from both of them that they never before wanted and are resistant to/don’t want. So yeah, I had to find MCs that wouldn’t go that route, not just for their sanity but for my enjoyment as a RPer.
Okay, that doesn’t discount the fact that being bold shows A that you do have feelings for them. I’m not arguing that being shy doesn’t accomplish the same thing. It just doesn’t fit narrative wise for me. But that’s just a personal preference. Where was it mentioned that Ava wears perfume for you?
Your arguing what M themselves is feeling. I’m talking about there reactions to the MC’s feelings. M definitely knows you have some type of feelings for them if you want a relationship with them.
Sewer mission (same place they dress up for you). F says it, IIRC, and then you get a waft of the smell.
The problem is that M doesn’t understand what those feelings ARE. M has no personal frame of reference for “romantic feelings” (in their vampire existence, at least, which is the only one they remember). Telling them you want a romantic relationship is the equivalent of telling a lifelong-blind man “the sky is blue”. They may know that “blue” is a thing that exists, sure, but they have no frame of reference to understand what blue is.
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It was a slight confusion. I wasn’t talking about your MC. Just mine lol
Is this stated anywhere in the books? M seems to be very comfortable with kissing and does it plenty with the MC. I guess you could chalk it up to the MC effect.
I guess were just seeing it differently then, because I never got the indication that A was uncomfortable or squeamish by the flirting. If any thing. There reactions usually go from being curious to brushing it off and acting dense. This is mostly them just denying there feelings though.
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I mean how do we know this for sure? I know that M lost there memory. But if your telling me that a being who lived that long for I don’t know how many exact years. Has never experienced a romantic relationship or had any type of connection. I would have to call that a stretch. I never saw M’s reasoning for not wanting relationships as being an inability to understand. But simply a desire not to have any for whatever to be determined reasons
We know this for sure because M’s reaction to having romantic feelings is to find the effect of having feelings weird and unknown, as shown in the rooftop scene.
Again, literally stated in their POV at the end of the rooftop scene. It’s ALSO very extremely immensely heavily if-it-were-any-more-obvious-it’d-be-text-not-subtext implied if you visit the fortuneteller during the carnival date, when Sanja tells M that they (M) are working under the notion their feelings for the Detective are just loyalty and then goes, “but aren’t those feelings different than the ones you have for the rest of your team, hmmmm?”.
Aaaaaaand, for the writer herself:
"Has any of the ROs had a relationship with anyone else before the detective?
F sort of has. They’ve at least tried, but things have never gone as they hoped.
N has, but again, not anything to the level as with the MC.
M and A, no.
Thank you so much for the ask! :)"
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Then I guess we both had different reads of that reaction, because it Seemed to me that M was trying to come to grip with there own feelings and understand if they might be in love with the MC.
Its not stated anywhere that M doesn’t understand the concept of feelings or love or even romance in general. If that were the case, M wouldn’t make jokes about not being into sappy stuff. Also the thing with Sanja still doesn’t prove your point. Sanja says that what M will think what there filling for the MC is similar to there teammates which is a familial bond. But that clearly isn’t the case. So, “subtext implied or it being obvious” its still not confirmed, there is nothing in that text that is saying M has no understanding of romance and feelings in general.
Okay, that still doesn’t prove your point about M not knowing what love or feelings are. M and A are both similar in that they didn’t start having feelings until they met the MC. That’s a big difference from M not knowing what romance or feelings and love are etc.
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M knows the MC has some type of feelings for them, anyway. The whole vampire senses thing makes certain of that–in fact, in the demo, whether or not your MC got upset at the bakery scene, M sensed that it bothered the MC and can’t figure out why because M “told them how it would be.” Whether the MC comes right out and demands a relationship before sex or not, what the MC is feeling is becoming obvious to M and it simply does not compute. Yet. But M is realizing it’s more than just lust for both of them, as evidenced by M’s POV at the crime scene where the girl was kidnapped.
And, like @JBento said, that was the whole point of the rooftop scene in b2.
This is, quite possibly, the best explanation of M’s POV that I’ve seen to date. Good job.
It is not in the books, so far, but there was an unseen scene that Mishka put up on Patreon that shows M’s POV for the “first kiss” in b2 (if your MC went that way) and M literally thinks that one kiss has always been enough to get them and their partner ready for “what’s next” and then wonders why they’re still kissing the MC. It’s the soulmate effect–M just doesn’t realize it yet.
M’s POV literally shows this, which is what @JBento explained. No, it doesn’t come right out and say so, but the story is showing, not telling. You just have to pay attention to M’s POV to see it.
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I’m having a hard time figuring out if your agreeing with me or not? because were pretty much saying the same thing. I never made the argument that M doesn’t have feelings for the MC. My point was that M can clearly understand what feelings and romance are. Which you have agreed with yourself.
From the way that’s written, it doesn’t seem like M dislikes kissing. It just means M enjoys kissing the MC more than they normally would.
Or you guys can stop trying to push off your interpretations as headcanon. When text or anything is ambiguous like that. There isn’t always going to be a clear anwser. I could be wrong or you could be wrong. We honestly wont know until we get more deep dives into M’s personal feelings. Or its possible Sera answered this question before, and confirmed it themselves. if so, I will gladly admit I’m wrong.
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The scene in the bakery (or was it a coffee shop, idr) still wounds me when I think about it 
That wasn’t necessarily because of how MC was acting but still…
Yeah, M was pretty hurtful. It wasn’t intentional though. But it still hurt. I feel like M definitely makes it up to you later on though
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