Tuesday seems kind of early to blow my one-thing-I-get-right-per-week, but what the hell, I’ll take it.
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I have a question about the sex scenes. How much detail can we expect from the scenes later on the books? I mean, the first one (M’s case) is detailed and passionate but the next scenes are very simple and short.
@CreedH00d You’d probably be better off asking Sera on her tumblr than here. She doesn’t really post anything here except weekly updates and never answers questions here. If you’re looking for opinions, however…
And, again, this is just my opinion based on various comments I’ve seen on Sera’'s tumblr and on patreon, so for those who vehemently disagree, feel free to share your own opinion and remember that it’s just that…
My guess is MCs who’ve banged M will keep getting simple and short until M develops and realizes their feelings for the MC. MCs who choose to have sex at any point up until then will get similar to those who already did it (a seemingly passionate “first” time, followed by lame, short scenes with little content). That said…
Sera has said that M’s first time with the MC (in b2) is actually tame for them. Those who wait will get a way better “first time” when M finally gets feelings. Those who’ve already been banging them will probably note the difference between that point and all previous bangs.
I never said M dislikes kissing, I said that–according to an unseen scene from M’s POV–they don’t usually kiss their partners more than once. There’s also this:
To quote Sera:
M tried to avoid kissing, on the lips especially, as much as possible with previous flings.
Edited to add another ask about M and kissing, which confirms M has never been big into kissing their partners before the MC…
Um, no I don’t agree that M clearly understands what feelings and romance are. M understands that there is something more than lust with the MC (and this is in the b3 demo). But M does not know what it is.
And, since @JBento did not convince you with the ask she provided, I leave this to show that M does NOT understand the feelings thing:
To quote:
When M realises just what it is they’re feeling, they’ll be very good with it
It’s the confusion part that might cause some angst and issues! M just can’t figure out what’s going on!
So yeah, we aren’t pushing “headcanon” at you, we literally got the information from the author herself, as well as the subtext in the books.
And, please take into consideration that the above information was given after b2 was published, so as of b2, M does not understand love/emotions/relationships.
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Yep, I imagine A-mancers will get the absolute best love scene out of all. N-mancers will probably come in second because A & N kinda seem like Sera’s favorites, lol. But M-mancers that wait? They’ll get a hell of a scene, probably better than those who didn’t… some choices definitely seem to be rewarded in the books.
That meme is perfect. 
Unfortunately for my M-mancer, she didn’t wait, so she’s just in for a world of hurt till b5 or so, and lame sex scenes. But hey, it’s Mason, and she expects him to dump her at any time, so any crumb she gets will be good with her!
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Clearly not my MCs. M is too hot for that. 
All that wait and pining makes a person stiff and grumpy, look at A.
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And we do not want that! My M-mancer is grumpy enough as it is, lol. Sex with M puts her in a better mood. I think she may be an A-wannabe… bury those feelings and pretend they don’t exist!
My mistake then, your original argument certainly looked that way. But whatever, for M to even realize that there feelings are possibly more then lust would somewhat contradict them not having knowledge of love or any deeper feelings. Either way its a moot point considering it was answered by Sera.
It was my own general conclusion that M themselves might not like kissing. Even though you didn’t say it. It was more or less correct either way. At least when it comes to sexual partners that they don’t have an attachment to.
It seemed like you were pushing a headcanon, at the time. Especially when you insinuate that I’m not “paying attention to the text” even when said text is fairly ambiguous in its meaning to say the least. Either way, you provided credible proof. I was wrong. So I will accept my loss.
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I’m not sure if they’re her favorite, but they are the original RO’s. Originally, this was a novel featuring the love triangle route. When she decided to make it interactive, she added F and M, and added the option for them to be women
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Oddly, I agree with the latter. M may not know love, but to recognize it’s more than lust suggests it’s something more serious. Really, my biggest fear for M’s path is that the character will become cartoonishly stupid in order to drag out the “confusion.”
If M is already realizing it’s more than lust at the beginning of b3, then, in my humble opinion, by the end of b3, M should get that they’re in love (or falling in love, at least), especially if the MC is either asking for a relationship or is showing M that they care for them deeply, be it through words or obvious actions. Otherwise, it will just seem like forced angst to me and ruin the whole claim from M that he’s “observant, especially where you’re concerned” at the end of b2.
And I apologize if I came across as rude in how I phrased it about subtext. I just wanted to get the point across that it’s in the subtext and worded it poorly.
Yes, I’m aware of that, and that it was Adam and Nate that were the original ROs for the MC (and Adam was named Bane, lol). I think that, perhaps, that’s one reason why it seems to me that she favors them over F and M (and of those two, she seems to me to like F better, based on different things she has said).
Another reason is that she seems to gush over A and N more, given that they’re your “classical” romance types and she’s a huge regency romance fan. She made a comment on tumblr that she realized with F and M she didn’t have to try to make them good ROs (not exact words, I’ll have to go dig it up) and that just struck me as a strange way of giving preferential treatment to the original ROs. But that’s just my take. YMMV.
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I apologize as well, sometimes discussions and debates can get slightly heated. (for both sides) But its no issue at all, I thank you for the insightful discussion either way.
Lol, this is more actually my biggest fear as an A mancer as well. Not the cartoonishly stupid part, but the whole denying there feelings thing. I know A is supposed to be a slow burn romance route. I can even appreciate that. But, it starts to wear thin admittedly. The good thing is that Sera is still able to throw interesting hooks in there. Especially in b3 so far, that will still have you interested and wanting more from A. Even though Ava gives the most bare minimum of affection. It just shows how much of a good writer Sera is, that she is still able to keep us A mancers this invested.
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This is extremely weird to me, considering I find M and F to be the best Wayhaven ROs, while A being the absolute fucking worst, by so so so so so sooooooo far.
My current bet is M’s gonna go on either a “shitshitshitshit what if I fuck this up and they start hating me” OR “shitshitshitshitshit the fortuneteller said I was gonna drag them into darkness” binge. Bonus points for this being the first problem they feel they need to solve but can’t do it by punching it repeatedly in the face (aka, M’s preferred method of problem-solving, which, to be fair, has fixed every problem they’ve come across so far).
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Th-That’s a lot of “so”…
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A would probably be more palatable to me if they weren’t currently useless as an RO AND as a non-RO.
They’re the team leader, but pretty much every decision they make that isn’t at N’s urging (or explicitly goes against N’s advice) is a badwrong decision that ends up blowing in everybody’s face. Since N is ALSO better at dealing with people, it raises the question of WHY A’s the team leader in the first place. The only thing I can come up with is “seniority”.
They’re supposed to be the combat specialist, but the only two meanings I can come up for “combat specialist” are:
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they’re good at fighting, except M’s both the first into the fray to engage Murphy in every bout AND they’re the one who’re in charge of your supernatural combat training (if that’s the training you pick); or
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they’re tactical experts, except N’s the one that comes up “wash the blood away” after the Murphy fight and M’s the one who figures out how to enact it via large piece of debris (bonus points: M’s also the one that does the debris throwing even though A’s supposed to be the strong one).
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Ahem… 
yeah,. which totally disqualify M as a leader or a good fighter. Jumping in the fray when your job is to protect the mc…yay. 
Probably because they have different senses. Like for example, M using their pheromones in Book 1 make the mc head hurt? And how N drink less blood than everyone else?
Give credit where credit is due…
1- A has ABS OF STEEL!
Demonstrated by the TIGHT T-SHIRT STUCK to them…we had to Shoot/spray for them to change it.
Commando BOOOTS! 
And think of ALL the furnitures you got to replace Thanks to A smashing into them? really, find a pony and put it near the MC and next thing you? SMASH! Here a new PONY! Jackpot!
And them large shoulder, you couldn’t do that with anyone else. Hiding behind N? Too tall and Twiggy like. F? forget it, short ass and I’m short already and M? Early lung cancer anyone? A is the only one who saved you from hugging a tree like a Hippie when the mayor was coming to see you! LARGE SHOULDER! THE POWER of A is Undeniable!
She even scare Bobby! That alone +1000!
And back in the day, she wore medieval Armor and held a big assed long sword 2H! COME ON!
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This might be an assumption on my part, but I’m wondering if this is how the scene played out in the original novel and wasn’t adjusted for the different route variations. I’ve only ever played A’s route once in the first book, and I think they were so focused on the MC that they were less aware(?) of their surroundings. This potentially makes less sense(?) when in the context when on the other routes though? (I’m sorry if I’m misremembering; it’s been over a year since I’ve played A’s route and I haven’t really gone code-diving for those specific details. 
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It is. NGL, I’ve never touched the LT route as it’s not my cup of tea, so I have no idea what happens in the route-specific scene, but I’m guessing A acts similarly to their solo route? (Someone with more knowledge should definitely weigh in on this.)
Ah yeah, I knew that much; I was just commenting/agreeing(?) that it’s kind of odd A isn’t more reactive on the routes in which you aren’t pursuing them since their head shouldn’t be full of MC. (I’m sorry if I came off as disagreeable!)
I’ve heard similar from other people; you have my deepest sympathy.
Oh no, you’re good! 
It was my weird wording and ending the sentence with a question mark. The source of the confusion is squarely on my shoulders.
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“protect the MC” means “getting rid of Murphy”. There’s no other danger other than Murphy. There’s nobody in the entire building other than the MC, the Bravos, and Murphy.
And they do absolutely jack shit with them except move a tree, an obstacle that literally every other Bravo also gets you through.
I thought the original novel was the LT route? Because N is ALSO in that love triangle and they contribute.
It indeed works like that in every route: N suggests “wash the blood away” and M does everything else.
I did, and I regret everything. E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G.
You did not. Apparently, I misunderstood you, I thought you’d said that you didn’t know if A behaved the same in the other routes. My bad.
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Technically, unit bravo is useless on that front. I mean, even M who jumped 1st in the fray…my mc still gotten bitten!
So, when it come to protection…they kinda suck. But that’s how this story is, stick for the Smoochie and don’t expect anything else lol
You are moving that Tree Mister? Huh? Didn’t think so…now, stop badmouthing mah Smexy A already!
And they do something to me…make me feel like a cat with catnip… 
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None here, either–I appreciate the fact that it got a little heated and no one got upset. Good discussion, and I enjoyed debating it with you!! 
Yeah, that’s one reason I had trouble finding a MC that worked with A–I cycled through about seven of them before I found someone that worked for me to RP. She’s literally the definition of chill, and pretty much nothing riles her. With Adam, she’s attracted and thinks there could be something there, but is so over his games. She just shakes her head and walks away whenever it’s an option. Though I do have to ignore all the fluttering heartbeat crap that is forced on her. She just isn’t feeling it yet (more like, she’s wondering if Adam needs psychiatric help, lol).
I am about 99.999% certain at this point, though, that A-mancers will get a kiss in b3, so there’s that. I’m also convinced that A-mancers will get an actual relationship (and probably marriage and kids, lol) before M-mancers get M willing to admit (or understanding) that they love the MC.
I agree on all of this, though I can do without M shitting on my MC the way they did in the bakery (and suspect that even will be repeated, in some fashion, on a regular basis until b5 or so). But yeah, F is a close second for me for best RO. I don’t particularly like N because it’s just too nauseatingly sweet (seriously, who the hell talks like that?) but found a good MC for him. A is just… blah. There’s nothing there so far. The “almost” hand touches just make me roll my eyes. To me, that’s not romantic, it’s weird (and it is to my MC, too, though she’s kind of amused by it, instead of being annoyed like me, lol).
Not sure how that would go down, but the first one would be interesting to watch. The only problem with the fortune teller idea is that Mishka constantly says M only lives in the moment and never pays attention to anything or cares about what happened or might happen. Honestly, if that’s the case, I fail to see how M will ever realize their feelings, though.
For the most part, I agree with this. The only exception is the sewer “breach” in b2. Both N and A had the bright idea (/sarcasm) to just rush in and demand surrender, which was utterly idiotic. Why not cut the power, then breach?? Vampires see in the dark (which one of my MCs thought of once everything went to shit), so why not kill the lights and breach to give the team an advantage? Better yet, why not call in the others–who have vampire speed and could be there in a blink? I think, in that case, both N and A were incompetent.
But yeah, I’ve wondered why A is the team lead, too. In actual combat situations, M seems more suited to it than A. In the b3 demo, though, that scene with A and M sparring seems to be a hammer to the head as a reminder that A is the “bestest” (which, of course, is shown by making M completely incompetent so that he can’t get a hit in on A and can’t avoid any, either, which I found ridiculous and insulting to M as a character).
Honestly, I think the one reason A is team lead is because they blindly follow orders from the Agency and Rebecca. N is the one who takes the situation into account and wants to adjust accordingly (only to be overridden by A at every turn). M is the one who reacts in the moment, and their instincts are good. A just blindly obeys. There was a recent ask that kinda confirms everyone’s loyalties–and A is the only one who is blindly loyal to the Agency as a whole. The others have other reasons for remaining there (mostly to do with the family they found with UB or, in N’s case, loyalty to people rather than an institution).
Watching UB in action, I really do wonder how they manage to save anyone at all, because they aren’t tactical and the Agency’s “rules” are often ass backwards from how things should go.
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M isn’t a team player that is why. They said something back in book 1 ‘Starved kitten’ lol
While A, is all about work work work work.
I think they were written like that on purpose. I mean, think of those werewolves you meet…still trying to figure out what was the point?
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