The Civil Evolution (Title and Game WIP)

I think it would need to be more even

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I mean old needs to be scaled down or young needs to be upgraded

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I did think on that, but I’m opposed to putting an Education module in the game.

While balance wise it does make sense to restrict it to the young. Yet story-wise it doesn’t, so I would not restrict it to the young which means the Older people can get it to. but this would lead to it being one of the most important Modules you can have since you could easily max out your science stats in the thousand years or so till your race develops tools.

But thank you for your suggestion.


I agree! :smile: its more of a question of how and does it make sense story-wise

Omg we get be to Ancient Aliens!!!


Lol yes, yes we do.

I think I came up with a solution that makes it more balanced.

Young: Origin 1, 7 Fight, 4 Social, Chapter 2 Actions 4, Maverick Trait
Adult: Origins 2, 6 Fight, 5 Social, Chapter 2 Actions 3, Researcher Trait
Middle-aged: Origins 3, 5 Fight, 6 Social, Chapter 2 Actions 2, Specialized Trait
Retired: Origins 4, 4 Fight, 7 Social, Chapter 2 Actions 1, Contacts Trait

Origins: This replaces Schooling, (I’ll make the modification to the plan tomorrow) and is the number of times they get to “go back” to school (or get a job) to get general upgrades to your skills.

Fight: is the Fight Stat
Social: is the Social Stat

Chapter 2 Actions: you get five years (maybe more, but not less) to get your ship ready, each year is split into 3 month segments, the younger you are the more you can fit into those segments, its more then just the general they are young and need to sleep less, it is also because they are young they have less responsibilities outside the Phoenix Project, fewer concerns, and less family to worry about. This means Additional funding options that require them to spend some time is easier for them. while harder for older more well-known candidates.

Maverick Trait: The young people selected for the Phoenix Project are those that have shown exceptional aptitude in a given field. as such they get an 11 in their school’s primary science field indicating they not just mastered the field but are active experimenters. this leads them to get the choice of an Ultimate module related to each science field.

Researcher Trait: a Researcher gets to “buy” more science skill in two additional fields 3 in one field and 2 in another. this is to show that they have knowledge from actively working in these fields, not just study.

Specialized Trait: Middle-Aged people get to specialize into one Science skill (bringing it to 10) by sacrificing another (lowering it by the same amount), Transfering the Skill points from one to the other, however, the sacrificed skill becomes zero even if there are points left over. For example, your Biology skill is at 5 and your Chemistry is at 4, Your Biology becomes 10 and your Chemistry becomes -1, or If you Biology is at 7 and your Chemistry is at 4 then your Biology skill becomes 10 and your Chemistry becomes 0. This happens at the end of the Origin story and guarantees one skill will be zero or below.

Contacts Trait: Retired people tend to know people who can get things done. This means they can effectively ignore some requirements of a module … Once. (more or less all excluding the Ultimate Modules granted by Maverick).

I’m also adding six more non-academic origins, as well as slightly lowering the skills you get by going to school.
This is to allow for an Origin story, where you get to make several choices to refine your character (mostly it’s about what you did before you get picked by the Phoenix Project)

Do you known Traveler? As much as I hate Traveler 5 I do love character creation process. You can get good influence there

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I’ll certainly look it up and give it a read

welp I found a copy of the book, (it helps that my friend actually owns the comic store here), I’m not sure what edition it is but it was published in 2008.

I read the rules on character creation and your right that I would like them. It’s actually similar to what I was thinking of doing.

Dang it now I want to go back and redo the initial character creation… : smile: I won’t yet, but I’ll have to think about it. thanks for the suggestion.

That that’s mongoose Edition. 5 is incredibly hard to read and you can kill a man with physical a copy. If you like the characterization of mongoose which mind you the whole lot easier read. Then you would love one in five because he goes and everything from their education new career path ranging from tenture professorship to Imperial Craftsman to all the military ones under the Sun.

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Ok since @Rogar made a really good point. (in a very roundabout way)

Most of my design choices are based on my setting. so I should nail down my setting and let it inform my character creation.

Pre Machines Humanity:
Before the Machines attacked, Humanity had divided along social, cultural, racial, even religious lines. With the development of working cryostasis, let a Diaspora happen where thousands of colony ships of every configuration and size were built and sent out containing every facet of humanity. This led to a love it or leave it ethos on Earth and within the solar system. Those that remained wanted to build a better future for Humanities birthplace. This period lasted just over two thousand years with a Colony ship leaving the Sol system every year or two. FTL Communication was developed late in this period. Originally from a Brown Dwarf colony located six light years from Sol, it’s been slowly spreading throughout Human space.

War Era Humanity:
Just over three hundred years ago, they attacked apparently without warning. We do not know why they attacked or even if they are truly alien in origin or some Von Numan project gone wrong. What we do know is that they are apparently tasked with wiping humanity out and that they are very good at it. On the one-hundredth anniversary of the first attack, the colonies had come to the conclusion no one could face the Machines alone. Almost every system had begun to militarize and patterns of the attack were being noticed. The lower populated systems were being hit first. by the time this was realized humanity was already surrounded. A mere three times Humanity managed to save a system, yet even as we saved those systems the homeworlds who sent fleets in to intercept the machines burned a few years later as their fleets were still on their way home.

Twilight Era Humanity:
Sixty years ago, the Alliance of Worlds collapsed into local clusters of worlds. Earth recalled its fleets, and one by one these clusters fell.

By this point, Earth’s governments had been superseded by a new republic that extended system wide. The Republic of Mankind is best described as a Benevolent Military Junta (much like the government in Starship Troopers), everything in the solar system is geared towards surviving the war with the machines, yet at the same time participation in the Military is and has always been voluntary. Everyone receives military training as part of the standard education (there are no private institutions), with higher education (there are private institutions) given freely to any who show an aptitude in a given field, as catching up technologically is incredibly important. While everything is rationed the average person has never had a better quality of life, nor have they been “richer” in terms of access to material goods. The Economy has become fairly simple. Food, Basic Shelter, Healthcare, Most Entertainment, even Higher Education (given you do no flunk out) are free and are considered rights. Those that work for the Government/Military get paid in voting rights, breeding rights, and budgetary access.

The Solar System
Mercury: Mercury has a permanent orbital habitat constructed in the dark side of the planet, and control a massive planetary mining operation that operates mostly under Mercury’s surface. Population eight thousand.
Venus: Venus is the site of Sol’s most ambitious projects, and its biggest failure. In an attempt to terraform Venus, a Massive orbital structure was built around its equator, (nothing more than a cable for most of the length) the plan called for a gridwork of material to be placed around Venus and slowly increase its rotational speed over hundreds of years. However due to the war with the machines the project was abandoned. Hundreds of little colonies still exist in orbit and man remote mining operations on the planet as well as salvage operations. Population Seven Million.
Earth: Earth is Earth. Population Twelve Billion.
Luna, the Moon: The Moon is the economic, and political center of the solar system, It’s lower gravity makes it a cost effective place to exchange goods destined for Earth, and the various points throughout the solar system. Its is also home to the Sol Fleet. One million combat ready ships. Population: Two Billion.
Mars: Mars is home to humanities first successful terraforming effort, it hosts the second largest population, and produces most of the solar systems consumables. (Food, mostly in processed plant form). Population 4 Billion.
The Belt: The Belt at this point is mostly tapped out, for most of the part it fed the construction of the colony ships in the early years. It was also the primary source for the failed Venus terraforming project. It is still used as one of the primary construction points for Sol’s Fleet. Population One hundred thirty-six million.
The Jovian System: The Jovian system is considered the second most important spot in the Republic of Mankind. Gas mining in Jupiter’s atmosphere is costly and can be dangerous but allows for the billions of tons of fuel the Sol’s Fleet needs. Colonies on its moons are primarily used as a support system for the gas mining. Population One hundred and ten million.
The Saturn System: The Saturn system is used as a test bed for the latest military technologies as well as being home to many of the labs owned by the Republic. Population sixteen million.
The Neptune System: The Neptune system is mostly empty, it is currently in development as a secondary fuel source for the Republic. Population eighty-two thousand.


So the entire population is under 20 billion? 18,269,090,000 to be precise. How many human have died from the machines in total?

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Amazing lore and because you awesomeness

Iy It pretty change how we view physics.


Oh dam, I read about that a few weeks back. It’s insane. This guy broke physics as we know it.

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It bloody push us to the speed of light if not close too it.

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The population is under 20 Billion due only to strict population controls, those that didn’t want to follow the laws were given access to the colony ships and “encuraged” to leave. As for the total number of human deaths. only the machines could tell you, it’s likely that humanity was under attack for at least a century before the machines reached a world that had FTL communication ability. And while thousands of Colony ships were built in Sol, this does not take into consideration second generation colony ships from colonized systems. But with access to technologies like Cloning, artificial wombs and policies that encouraged procreation, the estimated population of Humanity at the end of the Pre Machines Era, was well over five trillion (for all the FTL Comm Worlds at any rate)

Wow, I did not know we had a magic thruster :slight_smile:

That’s Awsome.

also, I’m posting that Human ships (Twilight Era) could, officaly, reach speeds up to 0.4c while the Machines seem to get up to 0.6c

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Dang you @Rogar and showing me how things could be better … :smile: , grumble, grumble, grumble…

I’ve decided to adopt a more “Traveller”-esk Character creation, mainly because it solves my Young vs Old dilemma and well it IS pretty nifty. This means an expansion of the time the player will spend in Chapter 1, but it means I don’t have to do a story dump at the beginning to establish the setting. (all stats are subject to change, as I work out how well the system works, and I’ll probably be editing it as I go so as not to fill the board with repeat posts)

It is now more of a linear questionnaire format.
I do make an assumption in that only skills and abilities needed for the Phoenix Project would be selected. However, this should not mean a Farmer from Mars would not be considered if they happened to be an Experimental Farmer on Mars that created a new Plant with say 2% efficiency photosynthesis, (vs the current 1% efficiency rate)

So How I’m thinking of handling it now, is by dividing the character creation into 4-year blocks. these are the Events that make up the MC’s Backstory. At each step you gain a Trait, These traits will be balanced internally, So If it gives you +1 Biology it may give you - 1 Chemistry.

Chapters 1-3 Stats
The stats you have in the first four chapters are replaced after you Arrive at your destination, this is to reflect your new body. But your stats during this time period determine your ship, so they are important. I wanted to keep it as simple as I can but I now realize it just won’t do it justice.

the New Stats
Agility: This is how well you move and is used in personal combat. Starts at 5
Endurance: This is your general health. Within the Republic, health care is free and mandatory for those under the age of Majority (22). Endurance is decreased as time goes by and can be further reduced by events it can also be increased by events. it is also used in Chapter 2 to determine how many actions you get per 3 month period. Starts at 10
Charisma: This is how well you communicate and how well you read people, it is used when you need to convince someone of something. Starts at 5

IQ: IQ is handled differently than the Other stats because I now intent that it will come into play in later chapters (mostly as part of a Hint system). Having a high IQ will also make stat switching possible in the events (using Agility instead of Charisma or Endurance for instance) as you can see other ways of doing things. It starts at 7

Rank: You gain a rank via the different careers, Military, Science, or Commercial. All Ranks will come into play in Chapter 2, (you get different bonuses based on those ranks, but collectively they are used to create your budget)

Weapon Skills: I was initially opposed to adding weapon skills since I thought they would have limited utility but the more I look at how I want the stories in the Ages to go the more I realize they could have an impact so I’m including them here.
Guns, Blades, Long Blades, Power Armor, AI Warfare.

You Age now Starts at 14.

You get to select your Gender:
Male or Female.

You get to select your Race:
Human, that’s baseline Humanity, more or less what we are today. They select one of four genetic heritages, (essentially getting +1 Agility, +1 Endurance, +1 Charisma, or +1 IQ)
Human Enhanced, That a genetically superior version of humanity. Their genetic code has been “cleaned” by removing many genetic diseases and strengthening positive traits, they also need to eat less because their digestive track has been tailored to favor processed foods (they have a strong dislike to raw foods like carrots or apples), tend to get sick less, and will live longer. They also tend to be more intelligent +1 IQ and get along better with people +1 Charisma. But they tend to be slower to move because of their diet and because they have a habit of overthinking their actions -1 Agility.
Cybernetic, At a young age you suffered a mishap, either an accident or an untreatable condition, and you required replacement organs or limbs. (a Selection is available) but you take anti-rejection drugs or have had your immune system adjusted to accept the implants -1 Endurance

Legs: Your legs were crushed in an accident, your new legs are much stronger than your old ones +2 Agility
Arms: Your Arms were crushed in an accident, Your new arms are much more useful, Stronger +1 Agility, and can have so many useful tools and gadgets built in +1 Robotics.
Heart: You had a congenital heart defect that went undetected, through malice or mistake. when you were Ten you were implanted with an experimental Bio-Heart Implant, +1 Agility since it works better than a natural heart, it also manufactures its own anti-rejection drug. You learned all about the science behind behind your new heart, +1 Biology.
Lungs: An accidental radiation exposure left you with an extremely aggressive form of cancer, while normally easily treatable with nanites, your cancer was systemic and quite advanced before anyone realized what it was (radiation treatments are considered routine, and they thought that was all you were suffering from). While they saved your life your lungs were destroyed. They were replaced with an experimental Bio-mechanical Nano-hive. it is capable of storing oxygen and filtering contaminates much, much better than natural lungs. +1 Agility. and an added bonus by the time you were 14 you realized you could exert some control over the Nano-hive and create pheromone clouds that helped you influence others +1 Charisma.

You get to select your Origin:
Mercury, Venus, Earth, Luna, Mars, Belter, Jovian, or Saturn. There is no Neptune origin since it would be functionally identical to the Jovian origin
Each Origin affects things in chapter 2 and gives you a slight bonus and bias in the sciences.

Mercury: +1 Geology, +1 Engineering, -1 Chemistry (Subject to change I’m not entirely happy with this one)
Those that grew up on the Mercury dark-side habitat were the children of Geologists and Engineers and learned about extreme mining from an early age, but because everything was controlled and most goods imported (such as food) they learned that “Chemistry” was someone else’s job.
Venus: +1 Robotics, +1 Engineering, -1 Physics
Those that grew up in the Venusian Habitats learned that Robotics was life, with the extreme temperatures of Venus’ surface failures in the robotic miners were distressing common. as a Child they spent a lot of time helping fix and build new miners for the surface operations. However, because of the substantial orbital infrastructure leftover from the terraforming project, they tend to have a skewed view of physics.
Earth: +1 Biology, +1 Chemistry, -1 Physics
The Human Homeworld. Those that grew up here had a life most like us today. Unlike their cousins in space, they lived and breathed in a very active world. Most notably is the abundance of nonhuman life (animals). Children from Earth gain an innate understanding of animals and weather. But because Earth has a relatively high natural gravity (unlike say the Moon or Mars) children here don’t see Physics the same way… more of an up and down force.
Luna: +2 Engineering, - 1 Geology
The Moon is heavily colonized by this point, and the only thing holding the domes up are a few tons of steel and glass. Children of the Moon are taught how to react to and how to fix problems with their aging life support systems, and as the busiest port of call in the solar system, they also learn a lot about the ships that make their world possible. Unfortunately, the Moons Geology isn’t all that exciting, and this tends you color your view that all worlds are like this.
Mars: + 2 Biology, -1 Engineering
Mars hosts the Second largest human population in the solar system, and close to two-thirds of it are involved in farming. With the successful terraforming of mars, it’s considered a Paradise… if you’re a plant. Animal life is strictly controlled, in fact, the entire global biosphere is strictly controlled, and you learn about the whys, whens, and hows of these systems from a young age. However, with the 0.376g gravity, the importance of engineering is lessened.
Belter: +1 Robotics, +1 Physics, -1 Biology
Those that live in the Belt, are called Belters, (or Rock Rats, if your feeling derogatory) live a hard and fast life. unless you live in one of the stable colonies on an asteroid like Ceres, your habitat is always under threat from stray rocks, and some are smaller than a penny. Children here learn the importance of relying on their machines and learn very quickly in properly judge the course of an object taking into account even microgravity. However, their habitats rarely have room for more then Hydroponic farming. This means there is little rooms for animals even pets, which means a lack biology training since largely the hydroponic systems are too important to allow untrained individuals to meddle with.
Jovian: +2 Chemistry, -1 Geology
The Jovian Gas mines are legendary in the solar system. Originating in Pre-Machines times and collecting the fuels for humanities expansion into space, After two thousand years we still rely on the gasses harvested here. Children learn from their parents all about Chemistry and how important it is to the rest of the solar system. however, Jupiter which everyone focuses on has no Geology, at least until you get to the Metallic Hydrogen core.
Saturn: Random Education +4, -2 spread randomly
The Saturn Labs, have been in operation since the Alliance of Worlds was formed. for Hundreds of years it has been the home of the Sol’s Fleet Science Corps, and while there are many, many, many independent labs and facilities in the area most children here are born to the staff in the labs. They tend to have an ecliptic mix of education, mostly depending on the lab-hab they were raised on. They may have a broad range of science or one really good one, but they tend to specialize early, developing a bias against other one or more sciences as “Less important”

Family: You get to choose your level of Family. Family can also come into play in Chapter 2.
Extensive Family: This means you come from a big family, and more than that you actually like them. This is the typical Nukular family. This applies a -2 Endurance penalty because you are more likely to avoid dangerous situations that could affect your family, but you get a +1 Agility and +1 Charisma,
Family: This means you have family somewhere in the solar system, they may be the kind you like or not, but it usually indicates a single parent or unusual family situation. No bonus or penalties.
Ward of the State: Ward of the state is a nicer name than “Orphan”. Yet that is what this means, you grew up in a group home, you get +2 Endurance and +1 Agility as it took a lot of both to thrive in that environment. However, you have no family connections to speak of.

The Events:
Each Event contains a series of choices for each of the four years you spent there. There will be a risk/reward mechanic in place, you can take greater risks, but if you do and fail you suffer greater penalties. Example, you volunteer to be a team leader in the Marines. The Next page will tell you how you did, and there will be a slight randomization, it will roll from -1 to 1, I’m calling this the Luck Roll, and add it to your stat necessary to complete the event. Options you don’t qualify for will be grayed out, and you qualify for the choice when your stat is the same as the difficulty. Some events will also use multiple stats, as well as some sciences (sciences don’t get a luck roll they either help or don’t). Each time a stat is used it gets a Luck Roll. so events that take use multiple stats are harder, with a greater chance of failure. Meaning there is a 66% chance of succeeding any choice you make in a given event. with a 33% of Failure, and 33% chance of doing exceptional. (requirements will be listed in the Choice) for multiple Stat events, there is a chance for a greater degree of failure. Failures (-1) give penalties and spectacular failures (-2 or more) even more so, success gives rewards (0) and exceptional successes (1 or More) give better rewards. The last “year” is always the hardest. the Choices for the last year get replaced based on how many Spectacular Failures, Failures, Successes, and Exceptional Successes, as they expect more… or less of you depending on your Career so far. The last year can also unlock a bonus for the following year.

While the first is mandatory, then the MC can select their path. At any time after the first two events, they can Join the Phoenix Project to end the character creation process and begin chapter two.

The First Event is the mandatory boot camp. Everyone does it. No exceptions, even if they come from a “rich” family or if they are geniuses that are better off in a lab. Universal health care and advanced cybernetics mean there is no physical reason to be excluded. Every person becomes a ward of the State officially at this point. Each “Path” will have a requirement (Dang you @Rogar!!! :slight_smile:) so your Race and Origin helps determine your Career.

There is a Choice between paths, All give you your basic equipment (what kind of weapons you know how to use) and story hooks that are used later.
Flight school: Fancy yourself a Flight jock eh? Requires Physics 1
Navy officer School: Command school. Requires Charisma 6
Marines: No matter how far we go we still need boots to hit the ground at some point. Requires Agility 6
Administration: Support Command positions, Police, and investigative techniques. Requires IQ 8
Logistics: Cooking, Cleaning, Driving Miss Daisy Crazy… Requires Chemistry 1 Or Biology 1
Robotics Corps: Building and Destroying Robots, what more do you need? Requires Robotics 1
Science Corps: Lab work more your thing? Join the Science Corps now! Requires Geology 1 or Chemistry 1
Engineering Corps: Building space elevators for dummies. Requires Engineering 1

After Basic training, you move on to your mandatory enlistment period. (since your still under 20 and considered a ward of the state at this point, despite still having contact with your family if any) Like boot camp, you get to choose where you are posted, but each one has a requirement for entrance. Also, each Career listed here is essentially the first level in their associated military careers,

Pilot: You have become a Pilot usually only a shuttle or fighter pilot at this point but you rack up hundreds of hours in the cockpit of various small crafts. Military Rank +1, Requires Physics 3, and Flight School, Logistics, or Officer School.

Officer: You have become a Navy Officer, working on one of the many ships that patrol the Sol system and you “Captian” your own Sloop (a small independent MP Transport, the Republic’s equivalent of a space police cruiser) Military Rank +2, Requires Charisma 7 and Officer School, or Administration

Marine: You’re a Certified ground pounder, this is one of the most dangerous Careers, but it also the only Career that gets the Power Armor skill. Requires Endurance 6

Police: You’re an MP, you can be stationed aboard a ship or at a colony, or even on Earth. Requires Endurance 5, and Admin School, or Officer School.

Transport Duty: You work on one of the thousands of supply ships maintained by the Sol’s Fleet. Duties include Lifting… and setting things down again in a slightly different spot… and then doing it again. Requires Flight School or Logistics School

Robotics Overseer: You work at one of the Republics many robotic/automated facilities as a supervisor. Requires Robotics Corps, Science Corps or Engineering Corps.

Saturn Labs: You work at one of the Lab-Habs in the Saturn system, Requires Robotics Corps, Science Corps or Engineering Corps.

Ship Yard Duty: You work at one of the Belt shipyards as an engineer. Requires Robotics Corps, Science Corps or Engineering Corps.

After which, you can begin to choose your own path. You can continue the above military paths or join the ranks of Civilian Science and Economy
Earth University: You have been accepted at the Prestigious Earth University! over the Next four years you will be working to get your bachelor’s in the Sciences, Here at Earth University we offer many programs but we are most well known for our Physics and Geology Departments. Science Rank +1, Requires Physics and Geology 2

Luna University: You have been accepted at the Prestigious Luna University! over the Next four years you will be working to get your bachelor’s in the Sciences, Here at Luna University we offer many programs but we are most well known for our Engineering and Robotics Departments. Science Rank +1, Requires Engineering and Robotics 2

Mars University: You have been accepted at the Prestigious Mars University! over the Next four years you will be working to get your bachelor’s in the Sciences, Here at Mars University we offer many programs but we are most well known for our Biology and Chemistry Departments. Science Rank +1, Requires Biology and Chemistry 2

Saturn Solar Labs: Welcome to the Saturn Solar Labs family! over the next four years, you will be helping us make a better tomorrow. Saturn Solar Labs is a prime mover in all the fields of science, as currently understood by Mankind. Requires any 2 Sciences at 2.

Jupiter Energy: Welcome to Jupiter Energy, We make Gas. Requires Chemistry 2

Mars Food and Supplies: Welcome to Mars, the shead is over there. We start at 6 am. Requires Biology 2

Venus Ship Maker Company: Makers of the Tough Little Ship TM. Requires Engineering 2

Mercury Metals: Providing Rare minerals since 3402! Requires Robotics 2 or Geology 2


I like all of this but I need ti point out that the family types feel unbalanced. You either get a a small penaly and a small bonus, nothing or a big bonus.

I think orphans should get something like a charisma penalty for having said rough life, an intelligence penalty since orphanage get subpar education or a small of both. Otherwise there is no reasons why we would choose anything but child of the state.

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Thanks for reading through it.

The reason Orphans get a bigger stat boost is because they get no Chapter 2 Family bonus out of being a ward of the state. made that more clear in my post above.

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What kind of bonus does the family connections bring actualy?

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In Chapter 2 when you are building your ship, the components come from different places in the solar system.

if you and your family are from Venus.

Extended Family: Requires at least 2 “Family Calls” events in chapter 2 (2, 3 month long time periods) to act as a consultant and sell their product to other “Captains” within Phoenix Project.
More Resources (money)
25% off components from Venus
And access to the Ultimate Module if there is one that is made at Venus.

Family: Requires at least 1 “Family Calls” event in Chapter 2 to act as a consultant and sell their product to other “Captains” within Phoenix Project.
25% off components from Venus

Ward of the State:
Who are you again?