Oh? I did not mean the breast as insulting I was referring to your comment as breast not being cool.
Too me its fine and cool to have breast. It accentuates my body and not just to use to breast feed my children, but I also like the difference it makes when I wear different clothes. Baggy clothes hide it while tight fitting ones make it more pronounced. Also breast are used to attract as well if done right lols.
Again,
as @Aera says, maybe it was a culture difference but when a person has a wardrobe malfunction or issue, I was taught we come together as a group to help that individual understand what was wrong. The perfect example for me was at a sweet sixteen birthday party I attended. One of the girls wore a sheer skirt with no slip and instead of making a big scene out of it, a few of us took her to a private place to talk the situation over, away from the boys and adult males who had no business hearing this.
@Aera - no offence meant in disagreeing with you. We will just have to agree to disagree.
True true, but i rather that we have a de gustibus non est disputandum in this case 
Well you don’t have to endure males looking at you not with his eyes but with his pants. And High school was a nightmare for me. So I don’t find breast cool, is just a part of my anatomy that bringing me lots of problems.
@Zolataya In Spain we did the same until few years ago now teens consider that tell that is a Destruction of personal freedom of clothing
Sadly, I also had big chest so I know the cat calls and stares, I had an operation to reduce their size yet I still embrace them. Anyway since I feel we will have different views and opinions on this I’d rather we just simply have a simple we agree, but we disagree situation. Also this is something of a de gustibus non est disputandum topic.
Exactly ^^ Now I want reading the whole wip to read the male on male version lol 
Edit Thanks @FairyGodfeather For edit my post lol It would be offensive the typo. I am on a phone so sometimes I miss letters and that could lead to messy stuff. Fairy is the best 
Just walk away… just walk away… just walk away…
Damn it you idiot you’re typing, now we’re properly screwed!
I’ve seen a couple people now make the comparison that focusing on a female character’s breasts would be like focusing on a male character’s bulge, but (at the risk of seriously and needlessly derailing the conversation), I’d like to question that in a way that hopefully doesn’t make me seem like an 
Now, in so far as I have been able to determine from observing people, most people attracted to women find the breasts of women appealing, to varying degrees. Thus, the eyes of someone who finds a woman attractive might be inclined to linger there. However, whenever I hear people refer to a male as attractive or sexually appealing, there is almost NO reference to the penis. Instead, when I hear people pining (coughlustingcough) after males, I hear references to hair, muscled areas (arms, chest, abs), and butts. So many butts.
In addition, as a straight male, I still consider myself able to determine if a male is “sexy” or what have you (watching the Olympic trials for the men’s gymnastics team in particular left me with some questions). In looking to determine this, I focus on the areas listed above, without ever stopping to consider the size of their bulge. This could potentially be because I’m not actually sexually attracted to men though, which is why I would not consider this point alone proof of anything.
Multiple times, I have watched numerous female comedians complain about “dick pics” as it were. Mostly unsolicited ones, but I’ve also never really heard of someone soliciting one (Though maybe I’m just not talking to the right people? Oh God that came out wrong. Oh God so did that.)
Furthermore, my own girlfriend has expressed directly to me that while she find my body as a whole sexy, that particular part of my anatomy is just weird. “All dicks are weird.” Or sometimes useful. This is getting too personal and inappropriate, isn’t it? Moving on.
With this data in mind, I’ve come to the (potentially incorrect) conclusion that the most people attracted to males do not find the racket and tennis balls to be all that “sexy,” especially when everyone still has their clothes on. Furthermore, I would postulate that no form of genitalia is found particularly sexy by anyone. I would argue there is a reason that the stereotypically objectified portions of the female figure are T&A, not TA&V.
Thus, as far as I can figure, a 1:1 ratio of objectification for the scene described in the OP would not refer to balls/shaft, but would instead refer most likely to arms/abs/butt.But maybe I’m wrong. As said, I’m not actually sexually attracted to men, so maybe I just “don’t get” what’s so great about dicks and everyone who is attracted to men is crazy about them. But that’s not the case from what I can tell.
Also I apologize if I crossed any lines while writing this, or if I seemed like an , or if I completely derailed the conversation. Just a thought that occurred, and also a lingering question in my mind of what it is exactly that people see in men.
I’d also like to apologize to horses. There was no donkey emoji.
I mean no disrespect to any views here but we are talking about fiction. I do not find it insulting in the least but apart of the story. My wife has very big breast and she often makes jokes about them and her freinds often trade jokes about each others breast. My view is influenced by my wife and her friends. But I can see other side to this, but again to me if it feels it fits in the story I am not easily offended. 
That is just my two cents which in this economy is not worth much lol.
Could you post the male version? Might help decide if one is being a little extreme.
My two-cents (that are probably worthless and contribute nothing to the conversation) as a male whether a person pays attention to it would probably change due to preference or their beauty standard. Breasts are a common fixation so it’s a common place to compare, like someone comparing abs, butt, muscles, lips basically what you want from models and athletes… though some other people would compare something we’d commonly consider strange like earlobes, lip size, split tongue etc…
I agree with @PhoenixAgent003 comparing genitalia (either gender) would not compare to that situation and would be weird in any place. Closest thing you’d get to that is what the average is or not paying attention to it.
I’d like to bring this back to the story-fiction.
My reaction and everything I’ve said is based on growing up in the US and my experiences in the US culture. When the story mentions Senate, I picture the US Senate and how reality there was and is.
A while back, in one of the many women’s magazines I’ve read over the years there was a series of articles published that talked about how it was being a woman in the Senate and in Congress both as a Senator but also as an aide or behind the scenes girl.
Keep in mind that up until this century, it was still illegal for women to wear pants on the Senate and Congress floor. So we are talking about modern stuff.
My reaction and my thoughts were tied to my knowledge of what a woman sitting next to a woman senator in the US would have realistically done and reacted.
@Lordirish is right; a girl’s night at the local bar dive is a different experience than being on the floor of the US Senate. Reactions from the same exact glance would have been seriously different given the different environments and settings.
For many males I see breasts are more import that genitalia. But is not the breasts part. It is the fact a woman is looked for her looks and of course a women has to be dressed like a slut to be successful. The political woman has to show her breasts in the Congress because that’s her only assets.
I doubt male would be half naked with a transparent shirt to show his abs and muscles like an object. No he probably would dress a normal suit not like a slut.
Edit: If the woman was dressed like a real politic maybe a cardigan that makes her look good and subtle enfatices her attributes while not being too blunt . I could understand even a straight woman looking not as a sexual object wit admiration. Look how pretty and what beautiful suit is the congresswoman wearing
His description says she is wearing a silver dress. That doesn’t sound like formal attire. It sounds like a special occasion. I think people would be offended by someone dressing like that with a job like that.
I don’t think the breasts/‘bulge’ comparison is quite right either.
It could be an apt comparison mind you, if it was a society built that sexualised both equally. (And codpieces! So many codpieces!). Just as you could have a society where breasts are completely unsexualised, and both women and men go around bare-chested. Or one where the chests of both women and men are covered up.
I know some men solicit dick pics. I can’t say I’ve ever known a woman who has though. And unsolicited ones are harassment.
So yeah, maybe we could spin the topic around, ask the same question are
And I’m using boys there, since girls was used in the original. Girls not women’s.
It’s not the same thing. It’s still distinctly uncomfortable those questions though. (AND PLEASE DON’T ANSWER THEM!)
Or we could use butts instead.
Wait the game’s set in modern day? I was picturing roman inspired fantasy senators.
Yeah.
Yes is like dressing Obama as a stripper . The girl is directly dressed as a slut not like a sane political woman.
I might be getting @Snowpanther 's projects mixed up but either way, the setting would provoke the same reaction - the governing body of a nation’s people still demands decorum to a degree not found in a bar or a dance hall. Fantasy or fiction or factual based settings aside.
And I’m sorry my choice of male anatomical feature was not the best. I honestly don’t think about guys in a sexual manner most of the time so my mental eyes were stuck on the MC looking at the front of a Senator and grasping for what the MC would find “glance-worthy” in the same setting.
In general a bunch of middle-aged + guys in suits would never be glance-worthy in the front for me so umm I did the best my short-sighted mind could.
My main point being this: The MC in the governing body of a state, fantasy or otherwise would not focus on [quote=“Knightstrike, post:1, topic:18636”]
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if the MC was female.
The issue as I stated in my original post is that by focusing the reader on this and reinforcing that focus with choices to respond is, no matter how one looks at it objectifying and de-humanising. This is the bottom issue and it should have been enough to discard the passage from ever being written outside of the adult-orientated slut market.
That made me laugh honestly. Though it’s not like males don’t get elected based on looks such as Nixon v.s Kennedy with people who heard the debate typically voting Nixon while people who saw it typically voting Kennedy.
Though the comparisons a little extreme but males don’t have anything as sexualized as breast in most of the world, considering a male could easily get away with being shirtless on tv while a female being more dressed could still bump it up a rating. A guy is generally given more freedom in nutidy due to being less sexualized typically. Though showing more may have gotten males less sexualized like it did for women in the 20’s.
I think we’d have to know how much she is showing off to decide if it’s ridiculous or slutty. It still sounds like a formal party to me due to the silver dress though, which would make it more socially acceptable.
There’s been times when breasts haven’t been so sexualised. There are places where women can, and do, go topless.
And there’s still codpieces. What goes up must come down: a brief history of the codpiece | University of Cambridge
This.
I just awoke and found this topic 
First, I’d like to thank everyone for their answers
Second, I’d like to point out that one of my main issues with the part, was that I felt “forced” to look at the woman’s chest, when I don’t intend for my MC to do so.
And as a female, I did find the fact that having the option to continue oggling, too much.
Let’s keep in mind that I’m usually the one to “censure” Knight when he writes stuff like this, as we both have different ways to see people. (Especially women)
I replaced the text by “flirting” instead of staring (I thought it was a rude thing to do so and let’s not forget that not everyone is physically attracted by women), so there shouldn’t be an issue anymore. Just Knight complaining
Tell me if I’m entirely wrong, or explain badly 
Hey @Snowpanther,
I’m going to say one more thing then go quiet here.
Is there a reason this scene (flirting/oggling) is taking place in this story? Instead of adding to either the MC or the Senator in any way, it seems to be making them more part of a social trope.
Instead, maybe have the MC and the Senator exchange quips at the bar while getting their favorite drinks *assuming this is a party) or if they are on the actual Senate floor (as I originally thought) have them exchange quips about a current speech going on…
Something that switches the interraction from the physical attributes to the mental. Something that avoids the objectifying of a Senator - something deeper than it appears on the surface.
Flirting is still an issue for me because one Senator flirting with another still seems beyond the decorum of their office. yymv - maybe French pols are very amorous in their senate?
Edit: kitty no more and 
because you need a dolphin at this time. PM me if you want me to go further into details.
Well, we do speak with her, and yes, about the speech. And they are both aware it is not really proper.
But yes, if we go there, why couldn’t we do the same with the males senators? At least flirting, I mean.
For the few times I saw senates on the TV, there were always some sleeping