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Genetics aren’t quite so precise. You also forgot Mordred’s maternal grandfather, Ingrain’s first husband. Mordred would be more like 50% Le Fay, though I doubt the forces of magic in their world care about such mundane concerns as blood purity. Those ideals are terrible for any populations “gene pool” anyway. :slightly_smiling_face:

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This is an interesting premise, as well as the elemental magic, and dragon companions.

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@Okami-Nora Yes, it’s more about how magic is used that makes it dark.

Certainly. Tho Uther was set to conquer Tintal whether it was by marrying Igraine or invading it.

It’s been updated with the next day of tournament since then, but that update is from September.

Yes!

He is half Le Fay, but doesn’t have magic power, just like Gareth.

Rant about magic and how it’s inherited!

Summary

One of the reasons there are so few sorcerers it because magic is unpredictable, whether a child will inherit the parent’s powers or not. The power could skip a generation entirely. Same with the Le Fay blood.

The Pendragon blood is different tho as Pendragons aren’t sorcerers. A sorcerer has control over magic in general - elemental, mind control, casting spells - while Pendragons have a specific set of powers. All children of a Pendragon parent will have the powers.

It’s said the Pendragons were given their powers by the dragons or fae, while sorcerers are said to be descendants of fae.

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I can imagine how disappointed Morgana would be if we didn’t inherit Le Fay magic.

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Also is there anything to do to sort of unlock the Le Fay magic in someone? I feel bad for Gareth.

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If Gareth was born with magic, that probably would have made things even more complicated with his father and put Gareth in a worse position, as the magic could have had the people of Lothia link him more with his mother than with their Duke (and needless to say, Morgana is not a popular figure in Lothia). So Gareth’s lack of magic might be sort of a blessing.

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I can understand that. But wouldn’t grown Gareth have more leeway? When he is grown assuming the ROs will be in our party, he’ll have Mordred, Gawain, Agravain, Elaine, and Nimue. As well as his mother, hopefully Arthur, if Morgana is there than whatever our want to be step-dad is called. I feel Mordred alone is threat, but with those people backing him up. Gareth will be just fine.

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Nice, well-written, fun. I praise it, and I follow it.

However, as a minor gripe: I like some of the Arthurian legends. The tales are good without the silly need to add MaGiCaL DrAgoN companions -.- . You have made everyone a Targaryen. It distracts from the core issues without adding, like, anything.

Second: it seems like Mordred has had a quiet, not too bad childhood in magical Avalon. The Mordred I remember was dark, and genuinely nasty, after a dangerous rough early life. As it is, I simply don’t find any reason to play him as a dark character, a few people being mean to him is enough to annoy him but not enough to get a major drive for revenge, and the entitlement (by Morgana) alone does not a good reason to upend the world make.

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hey man this is an adaptation of the source material. Lotta people do crazier stuff with adaptations, no need to be so condescending in your comments.

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Well in the author’s defense on the point of Mordred’s childhood. There are just as many stories where Mordred has a perfectly fine childhood. It’s often the reveal he has later in life that Arthur is his father and that Arthur and Merlin tried to drown him (and did drown the rest of the May day babies) that sometimes causes him to decide to try to take the throne. Before that he’s even sometimes noted to have been a genuinely good knight. There’s even a Scottish version that paints Mordred as in the right and Arthur as the bad one for trying to bar Mordred from the throne (Mordred’s also Lot’s kid, not Arthur’s, in that one).The legends and literature have so many different versions, especially with characters like Mordred, Morgan Le Fay and Arthur so it’s kinda hard to give definitive characterizations when they can be all over the place.

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To my understanding this story takes inspiration from Arthurian legends but was never supposed to be a “same old tale in new package”. It was meant to be different and unique in its own way. The fact that I greatly appreciate because I love when story offers me something new. In my personal opinion dragons are very good and refreshing addition to this game and I enjoy it a lot. :dragon:

Dragon

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You have to bear in mind (in fact as you stated yourself and a few before me have pointed out in more detail), that stories that use old tales like Arthurian legends (or Robin Hood or Beauty and the Beast or mythology and other such memorable stories) as a base will often not be similar to each other. There may be familiar elements in a number of the stories, but it’s always going to be a mixed bag of elements that will often make one version of the story different from another version. Heck, I’ve seen some versions where the tale is told in a more grounded way, focusing on the politics and trials young king Arthur has to face in his path to be a strong king of Camelot and other versions where it leans a lot more on the fantastical elements (like the existence of fae and dragons and magic and how those wild elements may effect the events of the story). Not to mention that the many iconic figures in the story are always being portrayed in different ways.

I personally like having the fantastical things like the dragons in this WIP and I’m especially curious about the role they will play, which is likely not gonna be a small one. After all, Merlin’s hidden ambitions and the reason he holds back from getting rid of Mordred right now (until he has a assured way of gaining another Pendragon from Arthur) does seem to involve these legendary beasts and who knows what might end up happening because of it.

While that’s going to be a subjective matter in the end that depends on each of our Mordreds, I do want to point out Lothia’s is a whole lands worth of people treating Mordred poorly, with its own Duke leading by example. And Merlin has been doing his own part to make sure Mordred has a very poor reputation and noticeable that going to take some time to shake off and build for the better.

Heck, it says something about how dismal their treatment is going to be in most places when the Rebels who take Mordred hostage treat the young knight better than (possibly) half the people in their own birth father’s own kingdom. :sweat_smile:

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There will be a chance to get to know better and raise your friendship with count Lot?

Depending on choices Mordred can gain Lots respect but not more than that. :nerd_face:

Here are some asks about Lot and Mordred relationship from @Rebelgirl tumblr:

Also we are suppose to get Lot’s pov in the game (this or next chapter ?), so it should give us a chance to learn more about him.

Hope it helps!

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  1. History is written by victors. So, stories of Mordrid are going to be, then, by proxy, nasty. You don’t get browny points by takeing down a nice person who people just didn’t like.
    You get browny points by takeing down a nasty person who. Insert nasty habbit here?
    I don’t mind the dragons and such, though. At least in my first playthrough? I am going to basicly go. Ok, Garith. You rule. I got my own stuff to do. If he dies? Yeah, I might take over. Though, that’s just my first playthrough.
    That’s just me, though. We all have our own Mordrids, and will all do things differently. Personally, I have a mind to just go, "Screw this hole ruleing thing, I want to go back to Avalon, and do Goddess magic with.

I do not remember her name. The one who is currently a noviss? The one you meet when your 6.

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@TheOfficer Morgana would certainly have been disappointed if Mordred didn’t inherit her powers, since she wants to have a child she can teach, and who is so much like her.

As for unlocking the powers in someone… I’m sure someone is looking into it :eyes: that’s all I can say

It is, something Morgana will actually point out.

In what sense? In a way, not having magic like his Le fay family has pushed him to become the best Duke he can be, learning a lot about politics, diplomacy. Basically, Gareth wants to show he’s capable.

@Netos I really don’t appreciate the sarcastic tone. So what if I added dragons? My adaption of the myths are based on a book idea I didn’t write about a girl with powers similar to a Pendragon, because I love depicting humans and dragons shading a bond. My inspiration for this is How to train your dragon.
You say it distracts from the core issues. I know what the core issues of my story are. I don’t know what you’re talking about. And instead of distracting, I see it as adding a new themes, revolving around the bond, dragon’s place in the society, where the Pendragon power comes from.
Everyone is a Tageryen? It’s more that dragons are widespread. Instead of the knights having horses, they have dragons. It’s more similar to the world of How to train your dragon, where dragons have become companions.

Mordred has had a happy childhood in Avalon. Then they moved to Lothia where they are bullied, regarded as a bastard, glared at, ignored by the one who claimed them as their father, who fills their half-brother’s head with bad ideas about them. People don’t let their kids play with them.
Their biological father, Arthur, abandoned them. And now they want to be a father, but only in secret.
Morgana is manipulative.
Then later Mordred finds out how they were conceived. That there’s a prophecy.
If you’re going to tell me this doesn’t leave scars…

And this game allows you to stray from the story. Be a hero or the villain. The trauma is enough to motivate Mordred to become a villain or try to be a better person.

Two of my favorite things about a story are characters and lore. Building an extensive magical world, working out its rules. Creating characters with believable motivations. My intent with this story was to take important storylines of the original legends, and rewrite them.

Entitlement isn’t the only thing driving Morgana. In fact, it’s not even the main motivation. Revenge is what’s driving her. It can be Mordred’s motivation too. Revenge for what Uther did. If you’ve played through her conversation in her study in chapter 3, you’ll see that if Mordred expresses a lack of interest in taking the throne, Morgana retorts with, “Don’t you want revenge?” because that’s what taking the throne is to her.

Thank you! :heart:

Thank you, and you’re right! They will play an important role.

That’s Nimue!

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May I ask what the core issues are?

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What @Rebelgirl offers us here is a new interpretation of Arthurian myths, with her own pen, her own style. We must not forget that this is her story and therefore her choices! So I know that an author must know how to accept criticism in order to grow and evolve, but I find the criticism here a bit too harsh and unfounded, it is based solely on a preference. No need to be condescending. At the end of the day, you may or may not like the author’s work, but in this case, nothing prevents anyone from writing their own version of the story. After all, choiceofscript is pretty easy to use! And if what you read is really unbearable, then why not just skip it?

For my part, I really appreciate your work, @Rebelgirl and I guess you already know that because you already propose a story on the forum but, you will never be able to satisfy everyone. Just know that for a negative opinion, you have much more positive opinion here, so don’t worry, don’t put pressure on yourself and most importantly, write for yourself before writing for us! This is the most important thing for an author (I speak from experience!).

That’s it for me! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts: :kissing_closed_eyes:

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I like dragons in books.

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I will admit that I’ve never really been interested in Camelot stories, but the premise of The Bastard of Camelot was really something. Having the PC be the result of an incestual affair is definitely a choice, but not in a bad way. It really adds a lot of layers to the whole thing: Arthur’s conflict between his position as king, the morality of his and Morgana’s affair, and his desire to be a good father; Morgana’s desire for revenge and how far she’s willing to go to enact it; and the PC who’s left dealing with the ramifications of the whole thing.

So the premise caught my eye, but your writing kept me here. It’s so good! Detailed, but not overwhelming. I like the multitude of options and personality traits you included; I was honestly surprised that I found myself really considering which to choose. I usually tend to play a more introverted/emotionally-driven PC, so the fact that there was often multiple options that lean in that direction was a pleasant surprise. It really made it a joy to see the subtle differences between the choices in the characters. (Also, I had way too much fun making everyone feel bad for me crying LOL) And the chapters themselves are fun to read, the relationships between NPCs dynamic and the plot keeping me guessing. What does the ruin of Camelot really mean? o.o

I’ve only really skimmed the rest of this thread, but I want to say that you should write how and what you’d like. Just because it’s a high-fantasy middle age setting with dragons and one (1) incestual relationship doesn’t make it a copy of any other property. And even if it shares similar elements, every writer has a different way of executing them. It’s up to the writer in how they choose to combine familiar fantasy elements into something unique. So in other words: you’re doing great, and I’m really excited to see how The Bastard of Camelot evolves from here. Keep it up!!

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