Their rage is perfectly understandable when you look at the Arab world historically: the long decline of the Ottoman Empire brought with it more and more religious conservatism, where they became steadily less tolerant. This conservative view was propagated over their vast domains, them being the foremost Muslim power since Timur. Then, when poor Mohammad Rezā Shāh was dethroned, ending the state of Persia, and that evil little sod Ruhollah Khomeini established a theocracy in Iran, a Doppler Effect spread, plunging the Islamic world into the equivalent of the Dark Ages of Christian Oppression.
Some moron making a provocative film about Islam today is equivalent to someone being blasphemous during the reign of Isabella and Ferdinand, and then claiming not to expect the Spanish Inquisition.
@817819 Nope. Navy. @Drazen That is no excuse to murder a U.S. ambassader. @wolfwriter20 Thank you. I love this job, and would not give it up for the world!
Personally, I think this Muslim thing is all just a big excuse for violence. Seriously, no other religion does stuff like this. Over a YouTube video, they kill several men. Come on. The Muslim religon is a religon of hate and violence. But…don’t worry. It’ll be over soon. In a day or two, we’ll be at Libya. B.T.W. The Navy SEALs are really cool! I love hanging out with them off-duty!
I didn’t say it was an excuse, I said it was understandable. If you poke a bear, it is understandable for you to find yourself eviscerated in good order, which is not the same as saying “The bear did the right thing”.
Incidentally, Islam is not a big excuse for violence any more than the other two Abrahamic religions are, or Sikhism is, or Hinduism, et cetera. The Muslim world is just going through the same phase that the Christian, or more accurately the Catholic, world went through centuries ago. Prior to that it was incredibly tolerant, vastly more so than Christianity: under the Umayyad Caliphate in Iberia, Al-Andalus, non-Muslims were called “The Protected People”; in return for a poll-tax, Orthodox Christians were able to practice their religion freely within the Ottoman Empire. For the former, the tolerance in what is now Spain only ended with the Reconquista, where Christianity regained control. What followed was forced conversion, torture, small-scale genocide, and a resultant mass-migration of Muslims and Jews away from the Catholic Monarchs.
I would recommend you abstain from making such statements, especially given the population of the country you’ll be invading. They may find it quite offensive.
Muslims are not bears. End of story. And most of Libys does not speak or understand English, so I could go around screamming that Allah sucks and no one will care.
Just so you know, you say that Islam is a religion of rage and hate but just look at Christianity over the years. During the dark ages, you said one thing wrong about the Church and you could get your head lopt off. In 1600’s we killed all the indigenous population and forced them to convert to Christianity because their beliefs were “wrong and unholy” but in reality they where the best, really preserving the planet.
We threatened some of the greatest scientist to say that they where wrong or face execution BECAUSE there facts contradicted the church.
And you say that Islam is a religion of rage and hate? I recommend that before you speak wrongly of others religions you should learn more about it.
All religion are of hate and rage. 80 percent of the wars on earth have been started over who created what or which diety we should pray to before going to bed at night. Christianity being among if not the most corrupt and violent. No offense to anyone, but this is just a fact. Christians have probably killed the most people over not believing in the same thing as them.
I agree with Syndicate about the first part but theres actually no definite way to determine which religion has caused the most deaths, unless, who ever wants to step up to the batters mound, wants to tell me they have been living everywhere at everytime watching for people getting killed because of a religion and had marked it all down, hmmmmm… no one?.. ok yeah thats what i thought.
@revanrulesrussia good-luck over there, don’t let any of the over-religious murdering zealot towlheads get away with that shit, also be careful over there man heard it can be pretty dangerous over there.
@Syndicate I assume you mean all aspects of religion, apart from those which are about love and compassion?
And no, 80% of wars have not been conducted for religious reasons. Religion, in almost every case of a de iure holy war has been merely a tool to instil the will to fight and to grant legitimacy to the act. The real reasons are far more pragmatic: the Ottoman jihads against the Habsburg Empire may have carried the Holy Banner of Muhammad on several occasions, but this was simply to raise morale amongst the men by unifying them under a common factor against the enemy; the real aims was strategic conquest: cities and fortresses in Hungary which shored up the boundaries of the Empire, secured trade routes, and opened their frontier for more advancement. The Sultan was Ghazi only when it was in the interest of Ottoman realpolitik, as one sees when one notes the attacks on Mamluk Egypt and Syria, or against Persia, undertaken by Selim the Stern.
Almost every war, including those which claim to be Crusades or Jihads, has been undertaken to secure, strengthen, and expand the state. It is multi-national competition which directs conflict, not faith. Religion manifests not in the motives, but the means: people are roused to arms mostly through racism: they don’t look, speak, or act like we do; failing that, they don’t believe like we do. Sometimes you can get all four. Racism rules the world; people are not susceptible to abstract motivations about what is necessary for social institutions to survive, but they are susceptible to greed and hate. Just look at the behaviour of the men fighting every war of conquest, independence, or strategic intervention, and you’ll see what I mean.
Time and time again religion has been used as an excuse for selfish gain. Though that does not mean that it is religion itself that has caused wars, but the greedy heart of people.
As for the Muslim attacks…Now, here is something I don’t understand. Nowhere in their rules does it say that they have to kill someone who dissagrees with them. Actually, in their holy text (I forget the name), it says that they are supposed to respect Christians and Jews.
O.o What? Did they just cut that part out?
Anyway, I don’t think it was a Youtube video. I think it was an actual movie. It was certainly offensive. But that doesn’t justify the attacks.
@Shintaro the Qur’an. Where about does it say they have to respect Christians and Jews? Because that conflicts with the old fashioned view of the Imams that it is a religious duty of all Muslims to struggle against the Infidel 'till they have established a world-wide Islamic state.
Edit: Also, there are numerous laws against blasphemy which could be invoked to justify the attacks in this case specifically.
still Islam is what 1400 years old that’s like the religions teenager phase when chistianity was 1400 years old they had the inquisition but to be fair they only burned people at the stake for being jewish muslim disagreeing with the church or a catholic monarch or being left handed
@817819 Yea, but staying on topic has never been a very strong sticking point on these forums, the discussion hasn’t degraded and the OP hasn’t asked them to stop, so everything eventually hits philosophy and theology.
