I agree, especially with the treatment of Indians. The Trail of tears definitely was a monstrous thing, but so was his hate for indians even before that, such as when fighting indians in the south he ordered his men to completely massacre this village and not accept surrender. Something earlier on in his life must have made him this way, if it turns into a bit of historical fiction, i don’t see why we couldn’t play him and see him devolve into his adult self.
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As long as you mention the fact he ate 2 year old cheese because it was stinking up the house and didnt’ want to waste it.
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Here in Thailand Jackson was remember as the first presidnt who established the relationship between the two country, which happen to be the first country in Asia that ever had any treaty with US, so he was look on in better light. And despite I know about the Trail of Tear, I would say I still held Jackson in a more favor side for that as well; not that what he did wasn’t horrible, of course
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I agree, especially with the treatment of Indians. The Trial of tears definitely was a monstrous thing, but so was his hate for indians even before that, such as when fighting indians in the south he ordered his men to completely massacre this village and not accept surrender. Something earlier on in his life must have made him this way, if it turns into a bit of historical fiction, i don’t see why we couldn’t play him and see him devolve into his adult self.
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Several I think go into where he grew his mother the era he grew up in, and seeing end result of The Fort Mims Massacre. That during brutal campaign t again the Creeks he adopted boy from there tribe. Scorched Earth Tactic was to smoke the Creek out as fast possible. Jackson most like view it as retribution for Fort Mims.
http://www.historynet.com/indian-removal-act @Arasia_Valentia you would enjoy this read.
Many American do not relived he was most dominating forces of President, there entire period call Jacksonian Democracy/era of Common Man, for how long his presences was felt through out American Politics.
That thing about Jackson is both a Monstrous figure and Heroic one, it all depend on how is action affected you. His life as rise is stuff American Legend and folklore. That is fact whatever we like it or not.
Stinkier the cheese the better. I myself am partial to goat cheese. Mmm
Don’t forget that shot in the shoulder.
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I’ll be sure to check it out 
The one he didn’t take out for years lol. He got into a gentlemens dual and let the dude shoot him before shooting him dead in the heart xD gotta love some things about the man. He had like 3billion lives. Once, some guy tried to assassinate him for the death of his father(Jackson probably did kill him let’s be honest) and both the the guns didn’t fire so Jackson just walked off.xD
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To be fair, if you lived in an era without anesthetics, you’d probably leave the bullet in you too…
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That bullet literal poison him. Lead in it had terrible ravaging affect on his body, that just made his already naturally explosive temper even worst. I do wonder if gone through with duel. I wonder how different been if he never took the bullet. He have dealt the tribes more peacefully…maybe.
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I believe he had 3 gentlemens duals and he won them all so, he killed three people. He got the bullet removed later in life, but I’m pretty sure by that point the death of his wife made him too bitter to make a difference.
Now, I’m pretty sure he was rebellious by nature, considering he eloped with his wife before she divorced her husband. But, you never know.
(I’ll have you know I’m thoroughly enjoying this conversation xD it’s not often I can be a history nerd)
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or how he was fight in skirmish when was still boy and how fought at The Battle of Hobkirk’s Hill when he was only thirteen. He one of American most hated and beloved figures. Guys if go to south trust me Jackson is beloved. Which honestly feel only slight less weird how venerated COTUS is down. Think is about Jackson his brutality too was common of era.
I do find very cute and Romantic how would never ever let anyone insult his wife.
Aww thank you buddy!!
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He in fact survived 103 duels regarding his wife’s honour.
Whatever you may think of him that’s badass!
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Bruh, where are all the men like that, Gotta go do some blood rituals( pray to chtulhu maybe) and resurrect some gentlemen cuz I need me one of them. Mmm. It’s a hard life.
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Bruh, where are all the men like that, Gotta go do some blood rituals( pray to chtulhu maybe) and resurrect some gentlemen cuz I need me one of them. Mmm. It’s a hard life.
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So very true, we may end up getting yell at soon for romanticizing one of Jackson good traits. 
He grew up during early Frontier. Honestly French and English is what stop the massive Westward Expansion. The different Tribal Nation got really good at playing the Great powers off each other. Terrible thing for them is Jackson was good at playing the different Tribal Nation off each other.
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The major mechanical issue I can see with the idea of playing as Andrew Jackson and playing through the decisions of his youth (and I’d assume, eventually) his political career is that for a player to buy into their MC, they have to be able to, in some way, justify their decisions to themselves. When the MC has an option to commit war crimes in Guns of Infinity, I give the player a justification for what they’re doing, something that would make the decision to consciously commit an atrocity into a rational one. The MC himself might be filled with self-loathing later on, but the player has to be able to sympathise at some level if they’re to keep playing.
I can do this because most people don’t know how the story ends. They don’t have the luxury of living in the 9th century OIE and reading about the consequences and effects that the Dragoon Officer or his compatriots have on the world. We do know how Andrew Jackson’s story ends - a fact which will be at the forefront of almost every player’s mind as they make their decisions, and one which will colour how they see the character they are supposed to be sympathising with.
Likewise, there’s the design issue of deciding how much control you give the player. Does the story inevitably end in a political career, with all that implies? If the player chooses to (for example) never leave home, what’s the point of playing a game about Andrew Jackson, as compared to any other frontiersman in the late 18th century?
Personally, I strongly believe that we should humanise “monsters”, as a constant and stern reminder that any one of us could be remembered the same way if we aren’t careful about the decisions we make. However, I’d recommend that instead of putting the player in Jackson’s shoes (and all the baggage that implies), that you place the player close to him: a childhood friend, a confidante, a neighbour: a way which allows you to empathise with a historical figure without necessarily accepting his justifications (There’s a reason why Traudl Junge was “narrator” figure of Downfall, and not Hitler himself). Not only do you free the player from the burden of playing someone whose actions may have done real damage to their culture and their families (let’s face it, I’d be pretty uncomfortable playing as a Kwangtung Army officer, or a Company Soldier in the First Opium War too), but you also give the player more freedom to choose how their own MC’s story ends, deeply entwined with Jackson’s as it may be, either as friend, reluctant ally, or bitter enemy.
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Maybe I can do something like divind we fall you play as different people and his life. You see different aspects of my different time. And depending how you’re playing as you will have different relationships with them. But even those relationships can change over the years.
It is noteworthy that we (we the company not we the mods) have discussed this game. There’s a significant chance that Hosted Games would refuse to publish this due to our guidelines about Grossly Offensive content.
Specifically, we believe that allowing the player to participate and encourage horrific actions (e.g. rapes, genocides, hate crimes, war crimes), especially historical ones, usually contains a certain amount of glorification inherent to the medium. Specifically, it’s very easy to justify actions which are unjustifiable, both by simply making the player participate in them and rewarding them for doing so, and by seeking a narrative balance and ‘reasoning out’ things such as rapes and genocides as ‘understandable’ or ‘inevitable’ when we see that in actuality they are not.
While we won’t say it’s impossible to make a game in which the player takes the role of someone participating in a genocide without promoting the genocide, we find that it is very unlikely, and recommend looking at other ideas.
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I’m not going to glorify or romanticize anything but this figure is one of the biggest political personas in my country’s history and their effect to still feel today both the negative and positive. Yes he remove Native Americans he did quite a bit the Cherokee had a two-year grace period. I need a personal Vendetta against their principal chief. But also stop the Civil War from happening early and our nation balance the budget he got rid of the property requirements for the right to vote in this country founded the Democratic Party, his name is attached to a period of twenty years of American politics and his influence is still thinks that both negative and positive. How to all the political figures of my nation he is the walking contradiction of his era and of America of that era and you can make an argument still today. Another medium we should not shy away from what is terrible otherwise we learned nothing and we understand nothing. Because he is a person that is both still reviled and glorified in my country and if you are still in that living memory to this day that is a compelling character. We may not be playing at Jackson but I will damn well make him human and I will not shy away from his atrocities, but it’s not for clarification it’s for understanding of how a person can justify a monster as actions.
You do know that the first democrats would be considered hardcore republicans by today standards right? Like I understand what you mean but ultimately he was a gross and temperamental person.
Its good to humanise him but please dont mistake humanising him with glorification. You can make him look human without removing or trying to justify the fact that he ultimately was a terrible person with gross and misguided ideals.
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