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#3266

Interesting thing about IRL wolves is that the whole “alpha” pack dynamic isn’t actually how they work. Wolves operate in family units in the wild with the parents in charge and the kids ranked by age.

The alpha theory of dominance was based on unrelated wolves in a zoo that ended up establishing a sort of pecking order.

Source

Then again, this is a fantasy setting about fantasy monsters, so it doesn’t have to be 100% scientifically accurate.


#3267

And now I’m imagining the Werewolf PC periodically urinating to mark their territory.


#3268

Huh. No wonder the Vampire is my favorite character. We’re both angsty lonely teenagers!


#3269

Modern werewolves just spray Axe instead.


#3270

Most of this stuff is either already in the Codex (found on the stat screen, entries unlock as you meet/hear about each new species) or will appear in future MonsterNet articles. :slight_smile:

I was going back to sources like “Never Cry Wolf”, of people who had watched wolves in the wild. From those I believe that there is an alpha of a wolf pack, but the zoo-based theory would explain why people ascribe more aggression to them than is found in nature. There is a clear leader (and often the Alpha couple are the only breeding pair, even if there are other unrelated wolves in the pack), with some relative taking on more responsibilities (the Beta.) Omegas also exist in nature, adults who keep features of cub behavior.

If you have sources suggesting that the observations in the wild were also misinterpreted, and wolf society isn’t hierarchical at all, please let me know. It wouldn’t be the first time research has led me to firmly believe something that isn’t true.

They’re part human, y’know… though fun fact, the aggression werewolves sometimes display comes from their human side.


#3271

Wait you weren’t supposed to do that in high school??? :upside_down_face:


#3272

The “Alpha Couple” are usually the two original parents. Since an alpha pair is another way of describing a breeding pair, any offspring can become alphas by leaving the pack upon reaching maturity, finding a wolf of the opposite sex, and creating a pack of their own.

Sometimes outside wolves replace one member of the breeding pair, but the pack still ends up as 2 parents and offspring. There are exceptions like when larger family packs join, though.

Wolves in packs do display dominant or submissive behavior, but the authority structures are more family-based. Interestingly, submissive behavior showed up even in the main breeding pair.

The wolves also all tried to steal food from each other or defend their food from other wolves regardless of rank.

Source is a paper on wolf-pack behavior from 1999. The PDF can be found here.

Here’s an interesting quote about feeding order:

Similarly, pups are subordinate to both parents and to older siblings, yet they are fed
preferentially by the parents, and even by their older (dominant) siblings (Mech et al.
1999). On the other hand, parents both dominate older offspring and restrict their food
intake when food is scarce, feeding pups instead. Thus, the most practical effect of social
dominance is to allow the dominant individual the choice of to whom to allot food.

Apparently the author himself used to believe in the alpha theory of dominance and was partially responsible for spreading it. Here’s the video where he explains he was wrong. Relevant bit starts about a minute in. He does say that some packs, like in Yellowstone, have multiple breeders and those breeders are ranked. That’s not common, but it does happen.

His paper also mentions that possibility and says the dominance is based on age. Alpha female’s the mom, subordinate female breeders are her daughters that breed with unrelated wolves.

Never Cry Wolf was published in 1963 and has run into controversy for misrepresenting some facts.

Here’s a 2012 article that says the book is basically fiction. The author even admitted to making things up.

Additional source

In conclusion, there is a hierarchy, but it’s family-based and somewhat fluid in that any wolf can become a breeding alpha by making its own pack.

Honestly, I didn’t know half this stuff before today when I was looking it up for this post, so I’ve learned a lot too. No worries, though. You’ve still got a great game.


#3273

Is there any way that you can romance Artemis as a goblin?


#3274

You can romance Artemis as any monster.

Pick the flirt option in class. As the game progresses and you get to pick 2 places to go to 2, go to the alley and kiss her.

You’ll get the scene with Hunter next morning, which means that you’re starting to get to her.


#3275

The twins aren’t ready to take on a wendigo, mine has speed as the highest stat and is nearly as strong as the werewolf. And not shy about eating people.


#3276

I don’t know…I doubt they’d threaten a legendarily powerful monster like the Wendigo unless they were crazy-prepared.


#3277

I think a lot of it also depends on just how much the twins know. Yes, they know there are monsters, but I think it is possible they may not know as much on certain creatures as others.

I mean, werewolves and goblins do have their own ‘society’ as it were, so it wouldn’t take much for Artemis and Hunter to deduce what monster the creature is by others they hang around with.

However, in this regard, I can actually see the Wendigo as being one monster the twins might not have a good handle on. As stated, Wendigo are already rare from a number’s perspective, and unless they caught the MC eating bodies (or snuck a peek at their lunch)

Note: Sashira didn’t say anything about this, this is just speculation on my part.


#3278

It also could be possible that they have never fought a monster before. Knowing what an enemy is is only half the battle. They might not have any experience. In which case a monster with superior ablution and attributes would win always.


#3279

Their lack of experience shows. And they are stupid enough to openly antagonize us. :pensive:


#3280

As the werewolf, wendigo, and vampire will show. Even a demoness/demon, relying on teleportation, can have the upper hand.


#3281

Yep and the goblin can outthink the them and/or anticipate what they can do.


#3282

If nothing else, the gobblin can take a pounding and after they tire themselves out, knock them for a loop.


#3283

True. The twins will probably expect the goblin to be weak and that will be their fatal mistake. Never underestimate your opponent.


#3284

I’d expect the twins to be especially brutal to the Goblin.


#3285

True. It worked for Muhammad Ali.