Monsters of New Haven High - last update 4/02

I like the game, but I’m really disappointed in the appearance being forced on me. Maybe if it’s not difficult, you can just include changeable ethnicity, hair color, and body shape?

I also like the idea you had earlier, of making asexuality an option for demons. You can have it so like, the incubus/succubus feeds not off of sex, but on emotion?

Asexual demons may or may not eventually be an option (it depends on whether I have the time to code it in.) At the moment it’s low on the priority list.

Another note: They do already feed off of emotion, but I thought it would be unenjoyable for an asexual character to be forced to flirt, kiss, make people lust after you, etc., which are many of the sources of energy available to them. Admiration is an emotion they can survive on, but it would be a starvation diet. I’ll have to check whether it would even be possible to get through the game on sheer adoration.

More main character customization is coming with the next demo update - several people have asked for that. The NPCs are the only ones who will have their appearance pre-defined, though some of them will be able to switch to alternate gender versions (see the update in the first post.)

This game seem really interesting. My favorite monster right now is the Wendigo. :smile: Do we/the other npc monsters know of us/each other at the beginning or only that there are other monsters around? Also I have some questions regarding the Wendigo. Can they eat/drink normal food and just not getting any nourishment from it or does it all just come back up? Do they even need to drink anything and can the flesh they eat be cooked beforehand? Also do their adoptive parents know what they are, and just went “let’s adopt this newly non-feral flesh-eating youth that sounds like a great idea”. xD

Um… let’s see how much I can answer without getting too spoiler-y. Monsters are pretty good at spotting other monsters, so you will recognize most of the ones you run into.

A Wendigo cannot eat regular food… or more accurately, they really should not attempt it. Similarly, vampires can’t eat food without getting almost immediately sick. Both species avoid situations where they would have to be seen eating normal food. A Wendigo doesn’t drink anything (it gets all its moisture from its food, humans are largely water), and the vampire doesn’t eat anything (it’s entirely on a liquid nutrient diet, i.e. blood).

EDIT: Forgot to answer - if it makes you feel better to cook your human flesh before engaging in cannibalism of your former species (whatever the word for that is) then go nuts. Get some bamboo skewers and make yakitori. I am undecided on the issue of soy sauce/barbecue sauce/etc., but I am leaning towards “spices are foods and food is a bad idea”.

The wendigo’s parents know what they are, and yes, it’s pretty much how you just put it! They’re Native American but progressive (on discovering a real live Wendigo they thought “that creature used to be human and needs help”, not “that monster needs to be put down.”) Traditional lore has it that a wendigo who has eaten flesh has gone too far to be saved, but they decided to try anyway.

Hmm if I were the parents of the wendigo what do I do?

Child turns into a monster that eats the flesh of my people, it is known to be a monster from my people’s folklore, Its likely murdered hundreds of people already and will kill again.

To shotgun or not to shotgun? That is the question.

Btw I hope you’re feeling better soon. My whole family just got over the flu. Be sure not to overwork yourself to get the update out.

I’m guessing the wendigo MC wasn’t in their complete feral state when their parents found them…and I’m not sure how good a shotgun would work. Maybe it would damage the wendigo but it’s probably very hard to hit them properly with their speed.

Also I can’t remember if this was answered before but the wendigo “lost” about 200 years in that feral state, were they “turned” when they were around 18, and is frozen at that age like the vampire will be?

Nah nah I meant if I was one of the foster parents of the wendigo. Shotgun would be point blank at that point.

Wait, wait. If the wendigo can’t (or shouldn’t attempt to) eat food and doesn’t drink anything, how is this thing (and I say thing with love and affection) still alive? What did these parents feed the thing? And what did the parents meant by “that creature needs help”? Help with what? Does the wendigo hulk out or something? If these people fed it human flesh, they really went off the reservation :wink: to keep the thing alive.

Also, I’m willing to accept “because REASONS” as an answer to my questions. That is all. Thank you.

Correct. Think “psychotic fugue state with brief periods of semi-lucidity.”

Neither of them is emotionally frozen at the age of 18 (that’s just where they are now.) They can learn and mature. Physically, the vampire will not age any more. The Wendigo - we’ll see.

No humans were harmed in the feeding of the wendigo… at least since she started thinking clearly, can remember things from day to day, and has been living with her foster parents. She has occasionally resorted to grave-robbing, but usually gets by on slightly fresher scraps from the mortuary. In Algonquian lore, wendigo are simultaneously terrifying monsters and powerful, rare spirits - it would kind of be like a British person finding a real dragon. The last one, as far as you know.

In the wild, Wendy was very unhappy. She went off the reservation (not literally, there were no reservations at the time) after the death of her last surviving family member. Her parents found her, saw how miserable she was, and took her in.

…Too hand-wavey, d’you think?

Yeah, a little bit… BUT we (and by “we” I mean you) can make it work!

I think the wendigo should be able to eat some animals, albeit reluctantly. I mean, this thing lived in the forest for 200 years, right? Even if densely populated, the moment people start disappearing left and right someone’s going to notice and they’ll start moving out. Unless they were the most clueless people on the planet, in which case they deserv… What I’m trying to say is that the wendigo would have to develop a hunger for something else in order to survive 200 years in the forest.

Ever heard of a thing called iZombie? Me neither. Apparently, this is a show where a woman becomes, you guessed it, a zombie. The reason I bring this up is because in the show she works in a mortuary, and we (you) can shamelessly and without regret use the same idea for Wendy. :smile: These monster appear and some are 18, right? So it would be plausible for them to have jobs outside of school. The wolf pack can work as bouncers, vampires work at the blackjack table, demons work as baristas or whatever they’re called, and goblins can work at a bank, Gringotts preferably. Anyways, I’ll leave the link for the trailer of that show here. Check that out if you want.

Now wait a minute. People could take that the wrong way. Someone could say you’re equating people with mental disorders (fugue state in this case) to monsters. Not me, I think (no, I’m pretty sure) I get what you’re trying to say. But if we’ve learned anything from Pervmaster’s posts it’s that the plebs won’t take it laying down. So you might want to backpedal on that one. I think it would be more appropriate(?) to describe this feral state saying it’s similar to the blinding/overwhelming hunger/thirst vampires have when they’re first made/turned/born/whatever (according to some sources).

When I read this I almost rolled a tear. :cry: :sob: Hope that helps.

Why work as a Barrista of all things when modelling is easier, more lucrative and has the potential to get you many adoring (and lustful) fans.
Since the demon’s cover personality is supposed to be eighteen (and we can also easily create a somewhat older looking, but equally attractive cover identity for our jobs) working as a stripper or bartender at a local nightclub would also provide a much better payoff, financially and emotionally, for the demon for the same amount of work serving triple latte’s to bored commuters and soccer moms takes.
Besides that there’s also the possibility of simply seducing a wealthy lover to set us up with a fake or do-nothing job or simply mooching off them.

Point being, people as cute as the demon can, if they so desire, easily live quite comfortably without having to waste time on a boring “job”, especially since the usual Aesop, (what will you do when your looks fade?) will never apply to a forever young, and pretty shape-changing demon.

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I completely agree with everything you’ve said. I was originally going to suggest stripper or go-go dancer but then I thought someone might accuse me of objectifying the beautiful people. So I went with a relatively appropriate/coward/safe/sensitive/thoughtful answer. You Sir and/or Madam had the courage I did not. I’ll try to be bolder next time.

lol you put the image of wendy siting in front of the computer all day looking at slender man picks as she whispers “notice me senpai” into my head

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Can we pick are own name?

Not really, at least in my opinion. I mean the only problem I see is that from what I recall (It has been a few years since I studied Wendigo lore so everything I write should be taken with a grain of salt) the Wendigo eats mostly if not entirely fresh meat, going so far as to, in some tales keep it victim alive so as to preserve the Meat to eat later, such as when nobody would be going into their territory, so I don’t know if grave-robbing would work out very well for them.

That said if they do hibernate (I can’t remember whether they do in lore or not) I can’t see any reason they wouldn’t do so in a human form, which would make it very easy for Wendy’s new family to mistake her for human, at least temporarily, during which time she could be sane again.

Well as far as I know they never ate Animals in lore (again been a looong time since I read up so, yeah) and in fact got along with wildlife quite well, especially wolves, whom they sometimes shared, small portions of their hunts with. These creatures are not natural, and are in noway bound to our ideas of nutrition. In lore they are constantly starving, no matter how much they eat with only very brief respites at best. They are spirits who have inhabited the bodies of cannibals and oddly enough people who prayed to the wendigo in order to turn themselves into one. In fact I don’t believe (in lore at least, for literary purposes this should be ignored) that they have to eat at all, but are only pushed to by their own corruption and never-ending hunger.

The legend lends its name to the disputed modern medical term Wendigo psychosis. This is supposed to be a culture-bound disorder that features symptoms such as an intense craving for human flesh and a fear the sufferer is a cannibal.
it is a Mental disorder of a form, though it is believed to be caused by a cultural phenomena rather than anything inherently biological.

Welp that was my rant on mostly useless, although interesting, topics for the day.

Rant-Man away! :smile:

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Would it have been possible that the PC wendigo formed some kind of Vampire-Wendigo alliance?

Since their choice of prey overlaps in some aspects, a mutualistic bond between a vampire and a wendigo sounds plausible to me. Maybe it’ll be a controversial subject in vampire politics (since the nobility probably find wendigo borderline barbaric but the middle and/or lower class vampires could effectively see wendigo as working dogs which can be used as scapegoats if they’re busted by humans). Since wendigo are rare, they probably want some form of companionship, right? These conflicting views in vampire society can lead to some pretty interesting monster in-fighting. It could also be a source of conflict if you need some monster civil strife.

If you go along with this idea and if there’s a NPC upper-class* vampire at school when the PC is a wendigo, there’s serious potential for a really intricate relationship. Could be a bully-victim connection, a politically-taboo romance or maybe a restrained friendship. Heck, maybe the upper class vamp at school is the wendigo’s secret ally from decades back. Who knows!

*[wait, is the NPC an exact factory-setting copy of the PC when playing said monster?]

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Maybe this is my love of political dramas talking, but that sounds awesome, though I can’t see vampire’s being okay with a wendigo running around eating what is potentially a reusable source of blood.

Exactly why it’d be a controversial topic in vampire society. :smile:

The vampire(s) who team up with the wendigo can get potentially a month’s worth of blood in one sitting, whereas the ones who don’t lose out on reusable food supplies.

“just think about the uses of a servant who is cappable during both day and night while also cleaning up after us!”

“Yes, but he just ate bill.” :smile:

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In this game, I am telling various stories I want to tell about humanity and my own personal experiences, while also writing monster fiction. I have had psychotic breaks, lost time, and found it terrifying and overwhelming. I would like this to be the state the wendigo is in when they re-enter society. The wendigo’s fugue state was not caused by their “monstrousness”, but by the psychological trauma surrounding their mother’s death and the guilt they feel over it.

I am not positive whether the wendigo had some alternate food source, or doesn’t remember all the times it suffered through absolute starvation between kills. The wendigo themselves doesn’t remember, but I will have to figure this out. You make a good point about there not being enough humans in a forest.

The werewolf and the goblin also have after-school jobs. Vampires are independently wealthy and demons usually just ask whoever adores them for money. It’s hard to say no to a demon. Though, I do like @idonotlikeusernames idea about a career/sideline that would get them more fans.

Yes, picking your name is coming with the next update. I am also tentatively leaning towards letting you re-name the other major NPCs (you can already name your first servant if a vampire or your first lover if a demon.)

Yes, wendigo psychosis is a direct link between the wendigo and a mental disorder. However, my view of it wasn’t that all wendigo are psychotic, it’s that Wendy was because of the severe trauma of being forced to eat her mother’s flesh to survive (when she was originally an emotional, soft-hearted person.)

Hibernation - now that could work, between meals. Hmmmm. Yeah, grave-robbing was just the only other way I could think of to get scraps of human, but you’re right, they love fresh meat.

No, at the beginning of the game the vampire and wendigo do not know each other very well. During the course of the game, however….

MC and NPC versions of monsters will share a lot in common. Some things will not be identical, though.