I enjoy those types of movies for their battle scenes and less for their historical accuracy. All the time I’m like that’s wrong that didn’t happen that happened then not when its shown happening. I try not to nitpick like that too often otherwise I’d be insane… insaner
@god_of_demonz Fear not. There’s not much in 300 for it to be used as a source unless it’s all the blood and gore. Those Spartans had a death wish by going against enemies without any armor. Better to have had a target drawn on their rippling ab muscles. And don’t make me start about the persians. Still the film did bring attention to an event long lost in history.
@fortunesfaded many books and some games have done the trick well. I played almost all the total war games for that matter and hope Rome 2 will be even better. I wouldn’t call my game entirely accurate but it’s close. Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
@scrivener That’s the best we can do. I think film writers do have problems condensing years of historical events into a 1.5 hour film. But some of the facts they twist have no basis at all. I watched Braveheart again recently. The film implies Edward III is Wallace’s secret love child. Why?
Wait, 300 Spartans really defeated 4500 Persians? Now i know why they named it the Spartan program in Halo. but wait, that means 1 Spartan VS 15 Persians= 15 dead persians. WTF?
Drama is my guess. or just to add flavor to the plot.
Spartans defeat really more than 4500 but they got great armory and terrain advantages the calcules go twenty each but they arent 300 in reality they go with a ilote slave army like 700
It was a historic fact even if heterodoto exagerate a LOt we got persian data today too and termopilae rests there was a hell battle there and spartan were awesome the film is totally fake
The thing is that the force that fought the Persians at Thermopylae was actually a combined force from the Greek city-states, totalling about a thousand hoplites. The 300 Spartans were the leaders and, when Persia finally found a way to bypass Thermopylae, the Spartans stood rearguard and allowed the rest of the Greeks to escape while they died fighting.
As for the number of Persian dead, estimates vary; the high-end estimate (which was the conventional estimate until very recently) is around 20,000.
yeah 20,000 its way study in college but some mads say about 50,000 but persian armor was inferior same to weapons they were prepared for a desert oriental light fight spartans hoplites were high bronce heavy armored
The film over dramatizes everything and tries to show Spartans to be entirely good, Persians to be total evil and other city states like Athens to be lazy, weak minded fools. Its full of historical inaccuracies but I did like it when I first watched.
I enjoy it for the battle scenes and I looked up Braveheart once and the “woman” they show to have an affair with Wallace would have been around eleven when he was tortured to death. And that Wallace may have been leaning towards being an old man rather than the young warrior they show.
@scrivener The film is great but there’s too much nonsense like that in the middle.
Does anybody know a film that stays true to history? Preferably medieval.
if it was 20,000 Persians then it was about 66 kills per Spartan. Another thing, when the ugly deformed guy tried to join the army and was refused i was all, "you’re actually turning down a free solider? what kind of idiot led that army?
Robin Hood Men in tights? JK. though i think that The White Viking was accurate.
@god_of_demonz That was because the deformed guy (he wasn’t really deformed I think) was too short for the shield wall. If there’s at least one weak link in the wall the enemy could have used it to their advantage Still they could have used the guy for something in the film.
The shield wall was extensively used in medieval battles but I’m not sure whether it was used by ancient Greeks.
There were more than 300 Spartans like marajade and ramidel explained. The actual amount was close to 1000 Greeks so it would have been 20 Persians per man. But 20000 is a high number. It may have been less than that
Eh…? No thanks on men in tights. I’ll check viking though.
@God_of_Demonz the real Ephialtes was a traitor shepherd who show persians the path ephialtes means since then nightmare in greek a evil name. Also spartans werent alone lol there are from other polis so no more twenty each they still being awesome badass in real story and their banters some in the film are legendary i like female love them because their women are the more free between greek with tons of difference and they let them do gym and sports nudes
Robin Hood Men in tights is comedy modeled after Robin hood. I found it hilarious.
If the guy was two short then put him in the back! if the enemy gets there than the shield wall is already compromised and he can prove his worth. What i dont get is that it NEVER occurred to Leonidas that the deformed guy would knife the Spartans in the back when he was refused. He knew about the passage and had nothing to lose for gods sake! keep a guy like that under watch…
that was the cool thing about Spartans. If you could fight(and were tall enough *cough*) you were equal.
I think that the Spartans would have won if the greatest Spartan that has ever lived was at that battle. you know who i’m talking about… MASTER CHIEF!!!
Hail Master Chief!
@god_of_demonz I know about men in tights, did watch it once. But since I was asking about historically accurate movies, no thanks. The white viking doesn’t seem my kinda thing. Is it any good?
You have a point on Ephialtes but that wasn’t how the story went in reality. He simply betrayed the Spartans for money.
I just looked for historically accurate movies on google. seemed pretty legit to me. check to see if its on netflix. or just look at it here,
it does not appear to be a war movie though. is that what you were looking for?
Do you think the Spartans would have won if Ephialtes had decided not to squeal? it was a close fight from the evidence i can see.
@god_of_demonz It doesn’t have to be about war but I would have liked something about the British or French. Even a Spanish medieval movie would be ok if it’s set in 15th century.
I can’t remember much detail about the battle now but it’s unlikely for Greeks to hold the Persians back indefinitely even with the terrain advantage. They did give a good fight though but the Persians simply had too many and unlike in the movie, Greeks died in battle.
Joan of arc film may be of relevance. For the France and England bit anyway.
@muklin I’ve heard of it. Thanks. She might feature in the game most probably so it’s super relevant.
Also I remember playing never winter nights 2 a few years ago. There was a section init where you get your own keep and soldiers. You had to get ppl to train your men, lead patrols ect. Also get blacksmiths for better weapons/armor for your troops. And of corse upgrade your keep walls and buildings within. Was really fun and seems in type with what you are creating maybe? Just a thought