LGBTQ and Feminism Issues

I’m so glad everyone I’ve met is accepting haha, I’m worried sick about encountering someone who isn’t accepting of me since I have the luck to be two things in the LGBT+ spectrum haha

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I think it’s disingenuous to describe the proposed Straight Pride as a “celebratory march.” It’s a large scale trolling event – as witness the fact that their mascot isn’t straight but is perhaps America’s most notorious troll.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/straight-pride-parade-milo-yiannopoulos-marshal.amp

They’ve got the right to organise; that’s not at issue, nor is it threatened by a satirical Petri piece in WaPo. (Indeed, attracting hostile media attention is clearly 99% of the point of the event.)

But treating it as if a march like this befits a “perfect world where all sexualities are equal” is wrongheaded. In that perfect world, we wouldn’t see a march based on mean-spirited, hostile trolling of marginalized genders and sexualities. And make no mistake, that’s what we’re looking at in Boston.

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Hey guys! so now that it’s pride month, I decided to create the perfect game for you to play at your next family reunion, I know that I will need it…

I guess a warning is in order, this might be potentially uncomfortable for you to read, if it reminds you to very close experiences…

So yeah, this is my silly way to vent about all the shit I hear from some of my family members every year.
Enjoy!

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I am straight but I have experienced some Yeah. Because in Galicia and most Spain if you have short hair and not use make up You are officially lesbian a male lesbian.
.So my family reunions with distant family is something like this

“You are a lawyer and if you grow your hair could be cute enough to a man choose you. And stop being lesbian. You have a legacy for family”

I have also asked for a cousin I you lesbians have period same time…

And lot of stuff my family doesn’t get THAT I AM NOT LESBIAN AT LEAST SO FAR…

Maybe I am lesbian and haven’t notice? :thinking:

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I recognize a few I’ve heard myself , there are also a few that are used in another context . Mostly racist and sexist ones .

My family is lucky, cose I would love to turn this into a Monopoly game and make them play it…for Hours…

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@poison_mara you are a lawyer ?!

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I have a degree in laws yeah. However i am working in a court almost as archivist. Preparing cases and profiles redacting sentences and lots of boring boring stuff. Not like lawyers in movies…

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On behalf of debt collection department you have our sympathy.

Well, in that case it’s gonna be a celebration of mockery then :wink:

Of course no - there wouldn’t be marginalised ones to troll. But there would be trolling. It’s inherent, we’re emotional creatures.

ummm, im sorry but I’m nonbinary?? I don’t really want to argue about different experiences being more valid than others, and again, pride isn’t a place where that should happen either. And like you said “having to argue with other LGBT people is just a total waste of my time and energy.”

(but that being said, to go off of my earlier point, if people are spewing hate or harassment, regardless of them being LGBT or not, and especially if they are being directly confrontational or rude to anyone directly, I will defend those people)

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The “you” was general.

Oppression in the mind is sign of oppression in world, someone can be LGBTQ+ yet hate thyself because of how the world around them views people subscribed to the LGBTQ+ community, a tight knit religious community, a openly hostile community, or a more sarcastic passive aggressive community growing up in anyone of this backgrounds can influence someone who is questioning, to doubt themselves.

This types of closed environments can hinder one’s growth into self actualization, sure we can talk about systemic oppression as it is valid topic for discussion or physical violence against those in the community which still occur. My argument though is the battle for acceptance starts in the mind, before translating into physical action.

It is not so much as playing down someone’s situation who is repressed and it may seem ignorant for one not oppressed to tell those who are by changing their mindset one can be free, I’m not arguing that you will be safe nor that you oppressed status is not preventing you from change, I’m arguing that ontologically oppression is as much of a philosophy as it is a physical action and mental psychology. i would argue it’s not like telling that kid to toughen up nor the survivors of rape to move on or its their fault my comment suggests rather that you are in control no matter how much darkness you face, that even danger you must remain yourself whatever that may be.

A more critical argument of my response is not only who am I cishetero to tell people in the LGBTQ+ community who experience and face different obstacles then that of I, what they should and should not choose to feel nor what to think, but cannot my argument be applied to the oppressors and perpetrators of oppression is self reflection so unattainable, can they not to change are humans really so binary of good and evil.

I cannot even hope to understand the absolute hatred you have against not only those that harm and oppress people in the LGBTQ+ community, but people such as me spouting rhetoric of naivety of the challenges you may or anyone in the community may face, but believe me my words are not meant to belittle nor undermine those facing extreme challenges that can result in physical harm, however the underpinning message of my philosophy is that even in danger we must remain ourselves I’m not saying it’s wrong to be angry nor is it wrong to feel overwhelmed by the oppression you face. My message is rooted in Taoist philosophy that all will be well.

I’ve always felt that a lot of women are bi-curious. I’m not trying to force it on people mind you, but’s it’s always been a theory of mine. I’m not really sure how to explain why or how I came to this theory, but it might just be personal bias on my part, being pansexual.

I’ve met many women who identify as straight, yet have had bi-curious encounters and enjoyed it. Perhaps women are more open to speak of it than men? I am not sure.

Not to say you are bi-curious, but it just sparked that thought process based on an article I read a few days ago :sweat_smile:

This is a gentle reminder to please keep conversations directed at the topic at hand and not at the individuals themselves. Focusing replies on the individuals themselves instead of the topic at hand can lead to friction between members and often causes the thread to derail.

The last couple of posts have walked dangerously close to the line of becoming personal.

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Oh, also back to the whole marriage topic, I also want to point out that heterosexual people don’t need to defend anything. If they believe in a narrower definition of marriage (as much as I disagree with that), they’re still not at any kind of risk… no one is threatening to take their marriages away. You don’t defend something by denying it to other people.

Congratulations on coming out! :smile::nonbinary_flag:

Aw, if I paraphrase a bit, I can get some of them filled in, but none of them are in a row or column or diagonal :anguished:

That’s what I think is probably the case. There’s still a pretty significant stigma saying that men can’t or shouldn’t be bi, even beyond that for women, and men are typically trained to be less open about affection toward other men than women are toward other women. It’s all an unfortunate mess of stereotypes.

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Raises hand. :slightly_smiling_face:
Politically, since marriage is very much a religious concept I would have liked to see the state switch to all civil unions to take the government out of the marriage business…theoretically I’d also like to open the legal unions to poly, in spite of the legal headaches that’s going to cause. :sweat_smile:

Getting the state out of marriage, while keeping many if not most of the legal benefits is something I actually seem to sort of agree on with our resident Tiger, in theory at least.

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I am not bi curious because in my case i found for myself weird as my personality is not shy. Because if I want try out a girl I go and asking any I could have been interested I don’t understand why someone can be interested in something and not directly try. I have already talked about how due stereotypes people assume I lesbian and ĺike my best friend is gay I wnt to a lgtnq party in college and a girl directly kissed me and i didn’t feel anything at all. Maybe because that was not the girl probably. But so far I haven’t that feeling of being attracted to a girl.

I personally believe nobody is totally 1 or 6 on spectrum and maybe if you found that special someone all change.

And about the bi curious i think men are sme but there’s a stigma about they trying out. For what i have seen if a girl wants try out she ends doing it. However in Spain at lest in people of my ageand about 20 something. They are like in shock Iam not really gay… I don’t like man and saying stuff like I was drunken this and that…

I don’t understand that at least be sincere with yourself. In many countries is a bravery even thinking different from the norm so I understand but in countries like mine I think people at least has to recognize to themselves if they are bi or anything else. Just my opinion.

@idonotlikeusernames about poli marriages i am torn and leaning against no. Because the number of woman FORCED to marry with men in most of countries were there is polygamy. I know there are perfectly consenting poly . Still accept polyamory marriage should be made seriously and to control no woman forced to be into an harem of rich guys and mafia.

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A link for people who think Straight Pide is anything but an over-the-top smokescreen for anything but the alt-right.

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Exactly what it is. It’s a farce. A joke to them. It’s meant to discredit the validity of Pride, and, in doing so, discredit the validity of the LGBT community.

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There’s one that butch lesbians use to hear a lot too: if she looks like a man, why don’t you go out with a man then?
It’s annoying and regarding that I am too butch, I often hear this a lot when others say it to my girlfriend.

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I can only imagine like how it can be due I have those nasty people assuming things around. I swear if I were lesbian or bi I would be fighting people continuously. If they are already nasty with me all you have to deal is… unfair and shit.

Then a bunch of assholes trying to stealing the month you can be more open and public and shine…

We have to do the Assholes parade to put all those racist … transphobic machist… Because All of them mean each other.

Also @Laguz yesterday night I watched a documentary in Spanish tv about the only werewolf condemned in History. The Galician Romasanta You would kill to people on that documentary.

As he was born in middle XIX in Galicia assigned as birth as Woman and he was considered as one until puberty When he started manifesting male attributes as beard. I am using masculine pronouns as he considered himself a man. The church covered up his name and everything and like anyone understood what happened or what is going on he end left his home. And going errant and selling stuff and later turn criminal and killed like at least twenty people… He said he turn in werewolf and eaten the woman and then later sell the stuff.

That’s not the point. The point is some supposed psychiatric defend like 15 minutes how he killed people because he was confused and being trans… I am wondering how media could put some hate coments and lies like facts in a supposed documentary.

When i am not a expert at all but for what i remember of my criminology class like one decade ago trans people have one of lowest criminality rate. And is not fair saying that trans people are confused …

Anyway Romasanta case is fascinating as in Spain people really believed he was a werewolf and was judged as werewolf. And inGalicia Romasanta is a mythic figure now .