I admit I use the word “yelling” to mean a wider array of arguments that it actually technically means 
(Although I need to bow out now, because this discussion is getting too unpleasant for me, because I can actually feel the MC there)
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Mc did talk to Seven, but Seven just kept acting like things were fine. How many times does MC gotta ask about the same thing before Seven stops pretending.
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I can imagine if the MC were someone allergic to confrontation, it wouldn’t be hard to pretend there was nothing wrong, or conveniently ignore the signs because they feel (and are) completely ill-equipped to handle it. Not to defend the MC necessarily, but it can be more nuanced than “sociopathy.”
True, and I feel like the in-game text supports this pretty well.
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Just chiming in to say that my MC is beautiful and perfect and has never done anything wrong in her life ever.
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Also I feel like this was already discussed like 5+ times already and Amy already said many times MC and Seven, as well as alcohol, were both at fault at the party.
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Yep, as wasn’t really a choice for us. The narrative needed it.
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Nah I don’t think the MC deserves all the shit thrown at them, and I understand that both Seven and the MC were at fault during the fight, what I have a hard time understanding is how the MC was so blind to completely disregard the option that Seven could be hurting after the vote. I get the people-pleasing angle but honestly, the MC just looks stupid in that debacle. We can also play more assertive and outspoken MCs and pick the option that we’re still the same person even after Seven left, so you’re telling me that even these MCs stood there in silence and rolled with the vote? That’s why I think that the vote and fight only makes sense if you voted for the demotion and were an ass about it or picked the “business is business” options. But hey that’s just my opinion, maybe once we finally have all the missing pieces I’ll change my mind 
I wonder, if the roles were reversed how many people would really be into Seven’s romance 
You and me both. And listen, I like Jazzy, she’s super sweet, but she also threw Seven under the bus as far as I know (when they were the closest to Seven only second to the mc) and then acted hurt and shocked when Seven didn’t pick up the phone during one of those flashbacks. I can’t with the hypocrisy 
At least the other don’t pretend to care much about Seven.
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Agreed there! Same boat!
I blame the band members for starting the mess. Cause they did.
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If 7 had shared his opinion with us or the group, perhaps we could have made a joint decision. I voted for him to stand on the same stage with me, in front of him and the group. So, it is not fair or right for him to go and act like it is only my fault and share it with others as if something very bad has happened (supposedly). The decision was made by the group. Everyone in the group put forward their ideas and statements by voting. I wish there was a moment of talking to the group after the vote so we could fully understand what happened. In fact, I honestly couldn’t figure out where the mistake was here? I mean, this is a normal thing?, of course, the one with the better voice in terms of potential is chosen. 
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I think it has to do with how significant - too significant - the MC is in Seven’s life at that point in time, whether in a romantic relationship or not (and consequently, how much they feel the need to “hate” the MC now, so that they are never that vulnerable with them again).
They expected more from the MC, regardless of whether that expectation is reasonable or not (not everyone is of the same opinion here) and they feel betrayed as a result.
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Perhaps not “asking” would’ve been a good step, and simply acknowledging that the situation sucks. For those who voted 7 out, it works. For those who wanted to keep 7 as co-lead is where it falls apart. In MC’s shoes, I would’ve addressed the elephant in the room instead of tiptoeing around the issue with “are you sure you aren’t mad??” (cue Homer asking Marge, “do you know what mad means??”).
Valid point. It’s still insensitive as hell and shows a complete lack of care and understanding for 7’s feelings. They made a choice to ignore it, instead of supporting their friend and at least trying to mend what was broken. Seven was the one who was wronged here, so it was on the MC to talk to them about it.
Same, and it’s why I find the MC irredeemable right now. It’s just so shitty of them, people-pleaser or not.
You mean if MC was Seven and Seven was MC? I’d tell the MC-7 to go fuck off.
And I’d thrown Avina out of a moving car… 
Exactly. As much as I hated playing the Seven VD special and hate the whole idea of 7 keeping MC at arm’s length from now to be “healthy”, it’s more than I’d give the MC in 7’s shoes. I think that’s the problem, though–why torment you both like that when you’re never going to trust MC again (for good reason)?
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I see this as the hurdle these two have to somehow overcome as the romance plays out. At least, if I’m ever going to play that one lol. Otherwise, I’m happy to leave Seven alone.
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It seems to me that Seven didn’t that much care about MC’s feelings either, since they only get upset when MC doesn’t do something Seven wants, instead of MC not doing something the MC wants, so I’d say fair is fair.
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I think it’s a complex conflict involving complex characters, written with enough nuance that absolutist interpretations of them all fall apart at the seams pretty quickly.
There’s a lot of bitterness, blame, guilt and regret all around, more than enough for everyone. It feels to me like the typical messy falling out, and it’s hard to cast blame for it entirely on a single person or a single group of people. I’m also inclined to think there’s a lot we don’t really know yet, many elements missing for us to have the full picture.
But I feel regardless of the context and circumstances it does good to no one to foster more resentment and everyone involved would come out of this conflict greater by accepting their part of the blame and forgiving each other as well as themselves.
Chalk that mess up to human mediocrity and let them all move on to what they truly want.
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Oh, absolutely this. I’m on the record as “everyone sucks here” regarding the vote and the fallout.
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You know what? now you said that, I seriously doubt his feelings for us at that time was considered genuine… At least for me
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Totally fair takeaway, imo.
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Yeah, Seven took MC even considering a compromise as an act of betrayal and a sign they didn’t care about Seven — which I don’t think is fair because even if the vote was possibly the worst way they could have done it, the rest of the band did deserve a voice in a career that is partly built off of their labor, too.
But Seven didn’t see the band as a group project, they saw the band as the Seven & MC show with the band as secondary players. They had the unreasonable expectation that MC could just, idk, veto the vote? Or give up and start all over again with Seven. And I guess MC could have done that, but I don’t think that would have fixed the underlying issue: that Seven wanted MC to choose them over everything and everyone else, which is, frankly, an impossible request to fulfill.
But everyone could have handled it better
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Mods, ban the word Seven, thank you.
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Oh, this is a great way to put this. Yes, definitely.
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