See, the issue I see with that is that the Marshall really is not a good candidate for that job. All they know is warfare, political machinations, manipulation, diplomacy, they don’t have any of that skill and it’s not something you can learn on the fly
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Technically neither the Marshal nor Elya “deserve” it. They just happened to be born children of a guy who was a ruler and simply benefit from nepotism.
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I favor it just because I think ending 3 Marshal makes an interesting and plausible villain protagonist.
My ending 3 Marshals haven’t ever truly gotten over the fact that they used to be the heir until they were maimed which taints their feelings towards their half siblings, even Elya and the only time they really feel anything good is when they feel powerful.
One more unhealthy way of dealing with all the psychological trauma.
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marshall pushed back and defeated rade’s siege attempt, plus he was indispensable in the previous war. out of the two of them, he technically does “deserve” it more, tho i see what you’re saying. who would you reckon really “deserves” it then?
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I smash! Got the die at end first time to save Elya. But the rest are, I smash! Ending 2 mostly.
I can’t take it from sis or have her die. Shes to precious, gotta save her!
I kinda wish I could of told Duke to talk to Elya instead.
What I am trying to figure out is.
1 point of archers is how many men?
1 point of cavalry is how many?
And etc. I want a light cav but trying for more archers too.
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For both light and heavy cavalry, one point equals 50. For all levels of infantry and archers, one point equals 200
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As I see it, the one who deserves it most is the one who actually has the capacity and knowledge to govern effectively. The Marshall is extremely specialized, a brilliant soldier and tactician, but most definitely a political novice. Elya, in chapters 4, 10, and 11, shows that she can play the game and keep the nobility and the ambitious in check. Her greatest flaw is that she’s inexperienced in matters of warfare, and warfare is what is required to fully solidify her hold on the throne, but give her that, give her experience, and she’s going to be a much better ruler than the Marshall ever could
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I concur. Elya having her leadership at 5 is very good in my mind. Plus she is the only one that cares and one of two to live for, Darin the dad being other one. (As I have no romancing until book 2 that is.)
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I’d say the only thing holding the Marshal back is being illegitimate. There’s no reason charismatic Marshal couldn’t be as good or better than Elya in managing nobles, and being a war leader is the most important role of a real monarch of this period in my opinion.
The lack of legitimacy being a bastard will always cause is the Marshal’s drawback. On the merits they probably are far and away the most qualified of Sobik’s children.
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Ideally, someone looking first and foremost after interests of the kingdom’s denizens (genuinely, not merely paying it a lip service) and with sufficient skills and wits to get things done. We haven’t really seen such person in the game so far which is why i won’t name any actual names, but i like to believe at least one such person can exist in the population of the country.
Of course, such individual actually getting recognition and backing of establishment to rule is another story, but you’ve asked about qualifications, not viability.
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Same as you, I may be biased but I like Marshall as her advisor. MC may be rough around the edges but still shows decent people skills (given you don’t answer in a brash/sarcastic manner) and strategy. Court is a battlefield; different methods but a battlefield, after all, a clash of wills. She knows court etiquette and the Marshall’s support and opposing life experience help cover her back and blind spots. United they can have a solid rule and help their kingdom thrive after experiencing so much war.
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and elya is still worse than marshall in almost every category. marshall has experience in leading, he knows the woes of the common man, and he’s undeniably the better pick of the two (everything else aside). im taking a charismatic marshall over the most shrewd version of elya we’ve seen as of yet. i believe marshall’s supposed lack of experience in court intrigue is inconsequential when compared to elya’s expertise in warfare or the lack thereof. essentially, i believe marshall has less glaring holes in his abilities as a ruler than elya, or any named character as of yet. im grateful authorman gave us options tho, will be interesting to see how a councilor marshall plays out in my second run.
I believe the two together is awesome.
I don’t play men anyway, and that alone causes huge issues to follow your thought as definite. They will follow a Queen, expecting her to marry a man, specifically. As I also will never do that in my runs, its always best for Elya to be in charge.
Most positively why I don’t want to be Queen and why I never did the other two endings still.
Otherwise probably gotta fight all those god followers in the world.
So, yes your idea works for you, definitely doesn’t for me.
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Not for me either, since my Marshal doesn’t want to rule.
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Ha ha, no.
The common man is busy toiling the soil and performing other menial tasks, rarely ever able to leave the village they’re born and where they’ll eventually die. The Marshal doesn’t know shit about that kind of life, never experienced it and never will. They’ve been pampered prince(ss) for the first decade or so of their life, then they were put in command of an army and looked after by dedicated father figure, and then they got a cushy managerial job from their real father. “The woes of common man” my ass.
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Proof in story is there that follows this concept. When Obren goes to Darin about the Marshal.
At least the three times I play(ing) it, does.
“The Marshal doesn’t know the roughness of life like you and I.” Not exact wording, but close enough. Witnessing death alone was different from Marshal versus them as Darin claimed.
If I’m wrong, I am then. Third time haven’t gotten there yet. Taking my time as once on last chapter, leaving it alone until save slots are available.
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The problem with a Marshall specializing in leadership is that still won’t be enough to manage the nobility. Nobles are not soldiers, they won’t follow orders, they don’t care about the good of the realm/the military/whatever, they have egos and you have to juggle them. You have to pull their strings, give them what they want, while making sure you’re not sacrificing too much There’s a level of shrewdness and raw intelligence that just leadership skills cannot provide and the Marshall doesn’t have that. Good generals and wartime leaders rarely ever make good peace time rulers, and there is no reason to believe the Marshall would be any different from that trend
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The response to Milon and politics also come across of being inexperienced with statesmanship.
Idk where it states that the Marshall is capable. When in world several statements says, even by the Marshal, lack political intrigue. At least as a woman it keeps bringing it up anyway. Maybe men have more political experience? I wouldn’t know that avenue. Then again I haven’t been playing the jealous type either.
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The only time I could think of the Marshall showing some political skills, was when a leadership one save negotiation with Cyrill (Elya low strength). I agree the Marshall shouldn’t be a ruler, we don’t know his political skills the administrative one could even be very bad as far we know.
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There’s a reason Darin handles all the logistical work
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