So which chapters unlock the first and second clue?
That is dependent on a stat With Loa [quote=“Urban, post:460, topic:15108”]
If you have less than 50 of reputation with Loa you get the second clue and if you have more than 49 you get the first one.
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I know that part but is there a way to unlock both clues, I already gotten the second clue at the end of the game, how do I manage to get the first clue?
No, you either get the second or the first.
If you have more than 50 rep with Loa she gives you the first, if you have less than she gives the second.
I won’t say what I didn’t like about it, by this point that would be beating a dead horse, needless to say I’m disappointed. However, I didn’t actually mind the Jury issue. To be honest I liked it. People say that ME3 and Jacob issue was and compare this to that, but I actually liked what happened there too but this ain’t about ME so I’ll explain why I liked the Jury breakup. As we all should know by now life ain’t a fairytale. Things don’t always work out as we want them or even as they should and that includes relationships. Think about it, Jury wants to be a hero just as much as the Hero Rise MC. Worked hard and made sacrifices. But due to the choices his father made, and to be fair some he made and some he was forced into making, he can’t be a hero now. Despite how much he wants to and how ready he is to show the world he ain’t his father he hasn’t been able to. All the while the Hero Rise MC continues to, well rise. Whether as the leader of the Millennium Group or as a Soloish hero while he’s delegated to the background. That would put a strain on any relationship, hell it actually does puts strain on relationships when on person is living their dream or being successful or making the money and decisions and the other person isn’t. So the idea that they broke up isn’t that hard to grasp for me.
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For me it’s less the fact that they broke up and more so that I chose probably the shortest romance in the game and couldn’t help but get attached to the character in it. And, I mean, you can make the BM romance incredibly short too by refusing to do what he/she wants in the second game, but that’s an option. We didn’t get any say in how this break up would turn out, thus making it the shortest romance in the game next to Prodgial/MC (but they got closure, at least - they got to see how that romance ended. Pretty sure you could annihilate the world with her, if I’m not mistaken). Literally doesn’t even qualify as 1/2 out of 3 games. You choose to get with him in the latter quarter of Hero Fall and then get a scene at the end of it. Then they break up in the background in between games; it’s in the ether, you don’t get to see it go down, don’t get a say in how it happens, don’t get to know what happened, or what went wrong.
If I’d gotten to get with Jury throughout the trilogy as some kind of rivalmance that turned into something more toward the end, I’d be less angry about the break up. I’d be intrigued with if they’re going to get back together or not. I’d still be miffed because wth? I didn’t get to actually see the scene in which they break up? I’m just told, “Hey, they’re… uh… not together anymore. He’s actually sleeping with his boss haha.” I might be more heartbroken about it (cause all the work ;( ) but I wouldn’t be angry with how it was handled. I’d probably understand the reasoning a lot better. I don’t see Jury as the type of person to just want to settle down, either - I feel like that’d take a long time along a winding road of character development for him to ever get to that point of acknowledgement, much less act on it.
That’s my personal reasoning for disliking the Jury thing. I’m sure people have different opinions and the like and I understand where you’re coming from. It does add a hint of realism to the game and everything you stated is true and makes perfect sense. I just really wish I got something more. I feel like I didn’t get much out of the romance, to be honest, only to have it come crashing down, which sucks.
Who knows, though, I might change my tune if whatever Sergi has planned for Jury and the MC turn out to be fulfilling and miles better than what I got out of Hero Fall’s Jurymance. I’ll reserve my opinion until the next installments, though, and try my best not to get my hopes up. His post about it on Facebook kind of diminished my hopes. It seemed vague and kinda like it’s up in the air whether the MC and Jury will get together. I honestly hope he gives the players the choice, though, like how we got a choice with Black Magic whether or not we’d get back with him/her in Hero Fall should we decide to break it off in Hero Project. That, honestly, seems like the absolutely best option aside from straight on decking him while still getting back together. A man can dream, though, of punching the guy he loves for breaking his heart and then laying one on him. When I put it like that, that sounds like an entirely unhealthy relationship… ._.
To be honest, though, I honestly hope that the fault of the relationship not working that first time isn’t all on Jury. I’d like my MC to be partially responsible for letting it fall a part. Like how you detailed it. He/she/ze kept rising and kind of just put Jury on the backburner and left him behind. I just don’t want the relationship itself to seem imbalanced like Jury’s always getting the short end of the stick while our hero’s on the pedestal - they can do no wrong, when they’ve done so much wrong in that entire trilogy. Jeez.
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I’m not a Jury fan and wouldn’t have romanced him even if I were gay. That said, my issue with the Jury break-up had less to do with the break-up occurring than the way in which it was handled. Lots of players were left with pleasantly romantic HEA pictures in their heads of their old MC with Jury at the end of Hero Fall. The first notice those players had of the break-up was to read another woman eye their love interest in her bed after sex, even worse, their old MC was blamed for the break-up. I can readily see how that could come across as a slap in the face to those heavily invested in the MC-Jury romance. At least blame the break-up on Jury instead of the old MC. Even better, have the player find out in a less abrupt manner about the break-up, giving them time to come to terms with it before zooming in on Jury’s new boss eyeing his body in her bed.
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I have found a new level of sadness over this game now.
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I’ll be quietly sobbing in my bunk if anyone needs me. 
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But, why would Jury blame himself? Or even if he does why would he explain himself in a negative light to a booty call who likely doesn’t care? That’s not how people work, and if it was done that way it wouldn’t feel natural, it would only and obviously be for our benefit. If anything he, like most people, would want to make himself look good and only tell the story from his side. Especially in front of a “potential lover” at the least and at the most one of the few people who could help him and his group do the work they love again.
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The only thing this makes me want is for the new MC to fall off the face of the earth, zip back into our old MC’s shoes, and rekindle that romance now that they’re both “better people” for it.
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So much this. I want this so much. 
I don’t care enough about some of these RO’s for the new MC, to be honest. I’m hoping I will by the second episode, but I don’t have high hopes. Aside from this, I just wanna get back into my old MC’s shoes in general.
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Agreed. Nevertheless realism has never been one of the defining characteristics of this game series. It has always been rather over the top. And that does nothing to change the fact that the game stomps all over the HEA at the end of the last trilogy for Jury-MC shippers, and it does so in a way that comes as a shock to the player who invested in that HEA when there is no real reason for it to have been sprung on the player as a shock. An entertainment media blurb about how former first son Jury and high profile superhero(ine) MC broke up would have served as a nice head’s up at least to ease the shock and outrage before the players are treated to Lyra drooling over him in her bed.
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I liked the Jury romance in theory, although not quite as written, but instead as a fanfictiony thing existing between the lines of the story. I absolutely love the comics by @defenestratin so much more than I do what we actually get in text. I wish it had been fleshed out more.
Jury’s the only character less competent than you are, who continuously screws up even more than you do. I liked that there was one person I was consistently better than. I liked that he has absolutely useless powers. I really liked the rivalmancy we had going on, the flirting, the being on opposite sides, that he was the son of my arc-enemy, and kissing him, and hooking up with him, being a complete FU to Victon.
You’ve got to sacrifice a lot to end up with Jury. Your friendship with Jenny, as well as the option of pursuing any of the other relationships. Whereas Prodigal’s mass-murdering seems far more easily forgiven than Jury shooting Jenny with a gun he thought would just zap her powers.
So, finishing the game, having pursued the least fleshed out of the relationships, only to find out that they break up, off-screen, and that Jury ends up with a woman, it seems frustrating for me. It’s as if our Heroes Rise choices didn’t matter at all. Particularly if that woman, gets far more action with him, than we ever did while we were the MC.
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^would still be sad about this.
Would be less sad about the Lira thing if I had this as a buffer, though. 100% For sure about that. I even liked her more than the other characters minus JK and Weaver and… now I’m biased and hate her guts cause she’s sleeping with my MC’s man. >_> That’s awful.
Ugh.
I still agree with her politics. I dislike how the Hero Project encourages backstabbing and double crossing and all that political nonsense still when the whole purpose is supposed to be about making a superhero team. I think that’s the point though and I do like that bit. >_> Regardless, I currently have a love/hate relationship with Lira. I agree with her politics. I hate her guts.
You hit all the points that I can’t currently, concisely write about because I’m still flailing.
@defenestratin’s comics have gotten me so much more attached to the Jury/MC romance than the stories have, to be honest, even though it’s still one of my favorite romances to even begin with. I’m actually positive it’s the only one I actually finished and saved. >_>
But, I wholly agree with all points mentioned. I just… it is frustrating and it kind of hurts and it almost feels like a betrayal of trust. It’s like, I scrolled through this thread looking at all the stuff for past RO’s from the previous trilogy and they got exactly what they’d been working towards. And I’m so happy they got that, and that excited me for any potential cameo from Jury and my old MC until I got to the part where they broke up and he’s sleeping with one of the producers for the show. And I. Can’t. Do. Anything. About it. That perhaps frustrates me the absolute most, having no control over this situation beyond frowning terribly at my screen as it continues on without me.
If this isn’t just a low point that makes way for an actual, fleshed out relationship further on in the story for my MC and Jury, I’m going to be sorely disappointed. Why even put the Jury romance into the game if this was the payout for it? Honestly? Talk about punishing the players for making certain decisions, this seems to just add to that, especially if all this trouble and wait doesn’t payout in and of itself.
I’m not getting my hopes up because I got weird feelings reading that particular FB post concerning the Jury break up. It just really came off to me as a, “Hey, sorry that happened to you! But, hey, look, uh, vague words and a flimsy promise about nothing in particular! Haha! [cue sweating]” kind of dismissal/apology combo. I dunno, I might be the only on in feeling that and I almost kind of am hoping that, just because I myself always expect the worst even when hoping for the best.
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I haven’t played Redemption Season, but as far as I’m aware, the Heroes Rise MC’s story has finished, hasn’t it? And as such, it doesn’t seem at all realistic to have Jury end up back with them, since it’s not their story anymore. Maybe, if people are vocal enough, there’ll be the choice to have them end up back together, but that’d involve me actually playing the game first and I just can’t.
So, here I am just pretending that Redemption Season doesn’t exist. 
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I actually did like Lyra, up until the whole “I’m sleeping with my younger employee lol see how cool and complicated I am and hot hot he is. I’m so cool you guys.” scene.
(Don’t sleep with your younger employees. It’s skeevy.)
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It’s not really over. For those interested in the in-game text, there are two blurbs that appear only if the old MC and Jury were in a relationship:
Lyra’s thoughts: It also doesn’t help that Aaron recently went through a very public, holo-tabloid-splashed breakup with ${codename}. Apparently, with ${codename}'s career hitting its highest peak yet and Jury’s hitting an all-time low, ${codename} just didn’t have the time that Jury increasingly demanded of ${youdhir}. Though as much as Aaron claims it’s over now, you have a feeling that he’d go back to ${codename} in an instant if ${youze} asked.
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The new MC: As ${codename} steps up to speak, you notice a loaded glance pass between ${youhir} and Jury in the crowd. You had heard that these two were a couple once—and it looks like there’s still some very unfinished business between them.
Jury is in Lyra’s bed regardless of whether or not your old MC romanced him. So I haven’t included that longer blurb.
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@P_Tigras Ah thanks. I don’t know if that actually makes things worse, since it does, very heavily, place the blame on our character’s shoulders. But then, that’s part and parcel of the series, the text was determined that we didn’t particularly like Jury, regardless of what I as a player actually thought.
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Hm, I think, reading it now, it’s more complex than that.
There are a lot of relationships that end because of work related issues. It just seems that our MC is so focused on his/her/hir job right now that what little time they provided Jury was never enough to fully sustain the relationship. You can still be neck deep in your work, following your dreams, and turning what used to be an awful situation on its head and making the best of it and still be in love with the person you’ve left little to no time for.
I think, yeah, I’m kind of fine with putting the fault on my MC, at least. Because something like that does tear relationships a part and, from this perspective, I feel the person who sacrifices their relationship for their job is the most at fault. Still blaming some of it on Jury cause he didn’t hold out and just went along with it. However, there’s only so much you can take of just being ignored and having your importance to that person you love be put as low as your nose-diving career - god, I’m feeling sorry for Aaron Victon? That’s a goddamn first. I’m sure he milks the victim shtick, though. I mean, there’s only so much your redeeming qualities can do before that asshole just comes shining through. I guess that’s why I like him so much, the ass.
I think our old MC might have that ‘Gotta sacrifice for the greater good’ mentality in mind and one of those sacrifices may have possibly been Jury. Which sucks because I know for a fact I wouldn’t think that. You can keep something for yourself and still be able to do your job with 110% effort. Maybe this is what Sergi was talking about, having more in store for Jury and our old MC - he might just be on a mission to further himself to catch up to our MC, which isn’t uncharacteristic of Jury, since he’s always racing to be the best. And that can go for any way, depending on how you dealt with Jury in the last Hero Fall game because that rivalry would still be thriving if you didn’t romance him, especially if you told him to beat it.
Still, Lyra’s a sleaze and I lost my respect for her for precisely this reason.
But, thanks for those blurbs @P_Tigras, being exhausted after work has put me in a mood and this discussion over the Jury romance has worsened that mood. I think I just needed a little reassurance and you provided! I should be mad at you for getting my hopes up, though. >_>
@defenestratin now I really need that fix it comic. My feels. My heart. -makes grabby hand motions- i’m kidding tho because you’re probably intensely busy
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So is it just me, or does this game override some of your outcomes from last game? Not in terms of who you romanced, but the previous PC always seems to end up the head of the Millenial Group, even when I know mine didn’t. And everyone always seems to be alive. I don’t have a problem with that, I’m just curious.