Arthur is being roasted. Yay. 
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Iâve removed the conversation regarding raping the protagonist from the point at which the OPâs last check-in of the thread. The author has made what they intend to do clear, and unless they want to reopen that point of discussion itâs closed.
More general discussions of âgritty realismâ should not happen on individual game threads.
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I think a lot of the issues that arise from Arthurâs treatment of the marriage come from a kind of immaturity (he is only 17 at first), but also values dissonance with our modern recognition of rights. He has a more modern ethos than the setting in general on a lot of things, but itâs still evolving, and I would say it makes sense for the characters in the setting to have what we consider to be a backwards conception of how marriages work. For example, Guenâs father does seem to show concern for her safety and welfare on a few occasions, despite pushing her into marriage regardless of her objections. He may honestly consider the marriage to be a positive thing for her that sheâll eventually appreciate, even if from Guenâs perspective thatâs honestly not the case and itâs totally gross from our modern perspective.
I donât know if Jean intended it, but part of the function of circumstances conspiring to keep Guen from meeting Arthur prior to the wedding is that she never really gets a chance to show him how strong her objections may be until itâs âtoo late.â I imagine things might have gone differently otherwise.
As I and others have said, Guen has to get married for the game to proceed*, so I suppose itâs left to personal interpretation why Guen goes through with the ceremony without fleeing or making a scene. Still being able to choose Guenâs perspective on it though leads to a lot of interesting customizablity.
*I mean, I guess it could lead to a really quick game over:
âDo you want to go through with the marriage despite your personal feelings on the matter?â
Yes
No
"You go back to Cornwall and have a cup of tea and never worry about Camelot again. A few decades later, you hear Arthurâs son totally destroyed the place and think, âNice, bullet dodged.â
THE END"
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ADD THIS IN! ADD THIS IN! ADD THIS IN!!!
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This is a good point about Arthurâs age in game,and that his moral convictions are still being developed. If his culturally taught values about marriage have never been challenged, he probably hasnât given it much thought and just accepts itâs how things are done. In that respect, hopefully an unwilling Guen would be able to change his views on this.
Personally as awful as the underlying situation is, I put most of the responsibility on Guenâs dad, who would be completely aware if she was unwilling, and consents to the marriage against her wishes if she doesnât say the wedding vow. Itâs paternalistic and controlling.
My headcanon for my Guen is that she agreed to marry Arthur without knowing him because she wanted to get out from under her dadâs thumb. A lot of it got sparked by the scene at the wedding reception with Arthur, Guen, Morgana, and Guenâs dad where he totally monopolizes the conversation by talking about hunting. I picture him as caring about her and wanting whatâs best in a condescending way, while totally steamrolling her opinions on anything.
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Really love all the main characters. Their personalities are very well done. Morgana, Arthur and lance are a riot! XD would you be releasing the game to Google app store when itâs done? Your work is so good, it deserves to be published! Please keep up the good work and I canât wait what happens next to my guen
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Wow I had no idea that people disliked Author so much because of the pressure to have sex. I just brushed of because realistically in those days Queens wouldnât have a choice, therefore I thought Author handled it pretty well. [quote=âjeantown, post:1, topic:1996, full:trueâ]
Guenevere is a character- and relationship-focused interactive novel, planned as a series of seven books. Book I (76,600 words) and the first half (117,200 words) of Book II are now available.
The main character is Queen Guenevere, who finds herself, at the start of Book I, about to enter an arranged marriage to King Arthur. Iâve tried to create a lot of space for the player to imagine different personalities for Guen; she can be played as power-hungry or kind or romantic or aloof, etc. She can have a wide range of feelings about, and relationships with, her husband Arthur, his sister Morgana, and his best friend Lancelot. Guen can be played as bi/pan, lesbian, asexual, or straight, and can have romances with any or all of the three main characters.
Itâs a personality-focused game. My main goal has been to design NPCs that are responsive, in subtle and not-so-subtle ways, to Guenâs actions. Book Iâs central purpose is for the player to define Guenâs personality. By the end of Book II, Guenâs choices (in conjunction with her skills, reputation, and relationships) will start to have major repercussions on the world around her. By the end of the series, Guenâs lifetime of choices will determine the fate of Camelot.
Thanks for reading!
https://dashingdon.com/play/jeantown/guenevere/mygame/guenevere_compiled.html
Monthly progress reports on my blog: https://newarcana.tumblr.com/
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Realistic in a world with magical carrots giants and lust spells⌠I hate hippie a lot but not for forcing sex.He is a big hypocrit that does all contrary of he says. His vision contrast a lot what he does. He hide his incest son instead of legitimate it like should do. All that bullshit about everyone equal, but he insists in make stronger nobility. He is focused in himself and his wonderful vision so much that he doesnât notice if Guen is good or not if he gets what he wants.
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What do you think would happen if he said that Mordred was his biological son? I mean we know that when Mordred finds out its going to be a disaster (how could it not be?), but I havenât heard any thoughts about how it would be if he knew from the beginning.
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He would be critized yes. But he is the supposed big HIPPIE TRUTH PALADIN⌠he lies more than he talks. In Spanish medieval many kings and even queens legitimate bastards,or even say here this are my bastards I wonât legitimate them but I will recognize them as such and give them a education or job, or a pay. Many war heroes were bastards.
He hides his son because is convenient for him, nor kingdom nor Mordred. Not even Morgana.
Arthur is a hypocrital who believes his own lies.And have a very big ego⌠He is perfect, his ideas are always perfect so he could do as he please like with the sheeps.
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(Hippie truth paladin would make for a cool bumper sticker)
So it seems more like Arthur is protecting Arthur, rather than Arthur is protecting Mordred? Thatâs a fair viewpoint. Iâm not sure how I would be able to tell a child that they were conceived unwillingly by both parents (since both Arthur and Morgana are going to be raped using magic), and I can understand not ever wanting him to know that for a lot of reasons, but I also understand that Mordred would feel devastated, rejected and betrayed when he he inevitably find out. Its hard for me to form an opinion and I appreciate hearing yours.
Also: the sheep. Oh my god⌠I nearly cried from frustration when I got to that scene.
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Also did not know sheep couldnât walk down stairs until that scene
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You didnât see many sheeps eh? too short legs also high steps scared them to the point cause a havoc .
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I grew up surrounded by sheep farms (never had sheep myself though) and I didnât know that either. Iâve seen them go up and down hills and ramps, I just took it for granted that stairs wouldnât be so different lol.
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Iâve never seen a sheep in the flesh before, so you learn something new everyday 
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He would know because the Pendragon blood EVERYONE WILL KNOW @jeantown has said that with years the fact of being Pendragon blood or not would be evident as hell. Morgana is not Pendragon bloodline. so 1+1 =BASTARD So is far better starting to say him as child the situation little by little than find all his life is a lie. And the Kingdom THEY WILL KNOW ANYWAY so a responsible monarch would say the truth about it in a manner propaganda present him as a victim that with his big heart has accepted Mordred. Or just kill the damn baby to avoid future civil war all together. He does neither, he just hides Mordred under a carpet
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The magical blood stuff⌠I keep forgetting about that. Damn it, that makes everything even more tricky than I thought it was (although it does handle how Mordred finds out in this work).
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Man I still canât get over Mordredâs conception 
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What I always find interesting, even considering how many of the old stories went, I view Mordred as definitely more of a hero than Arthur or Lancelot.
I mean, he isnât responsible for his birth, but is blamed for it. And in some stories, cursed for it. Not to mention the whole royal bloodline anyways. I mean, if Pendragon blood is supposed to be so greatâŚwell, Arthurâs father was a royal asshole.
Heck, in some stories, Arthur couldnât even beat Lancelot without magical helpâŚand yet, Mordred is able to match dear old daddy on the battlefield.
Then again, picking a king on who could pull a sword out of a stone did seem to be a very poor selection processâŚ
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Well, he does (depending on the specific mythology) try to forcibly marry Guinevere/Gwenevere and try to usurp the throne while Arthur is away. In older stories, he isnât Arthurâs son at all, just his nephew, but he got folded together with an illegitimate son character at some point. But what really makes he a villain from the storyâs perspective is that heâs a usurper - not a lot of love for those in European mythology.
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