Arthurian legend is medieval or worse pagan and like that is filled with rape incest and violence. However, like all legend could and must be adapted by the author. And @jeantown had made a brilliant work totally wipe out rape and let the incest more or less sorted out. Is nice for once not have to be shove in a rape scene of a poor woman or trans lesbian or not. In a world of a legend wjere magic and gods walk among people talking about realism is a grain of salt.
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I donât think Iâve mentioned this but Arthurâs story, is, actually and originally, a person in the 15th century writing about someone in the 5th century, and has all the anachronisms and historical inaccuracies you would expect of someone in the 21st century writing about the 11th century today.
Itâs meant to be revitalised. Itâs a story; a story based on widespread historical tales and mythology from throughout time dolled up in magic and strung together with a main character that everyone can root for, written by a bored man in prison, who was also most likely a rapist himself.
Take it. Run with it. Create something out of it that means something to this era. This reminded me of Mists of Avalon, was that intentional? Anyway, noice.
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TW: rape.
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I canât accept a person as a heroic figure in a work of fiction if they commit rape. I hope Iâm not alone in this, haha.
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Youâre definitely not alone. So many writers whack in a rape scene to show how bad a character is (or how far the protagonist has fallen) and then they just canât commit to that character being a rapist and suddenly we have Rapist To The Rescue moments that make no sense whatsoever but clearly we arenât meant to remember the rape scene (Historyâs Vikings does this).[/spoiler]
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There are books about the Arthurian legend from XI not the actual ones of course The French version is from XIII Spanish traditional version where is no rape anywhere at all. is XII and is in poetry. The Arthur story is totally a STORY so anyone can put whatever the problem is most authors were men that love rape and those stuff basically. In Spanish version Guen was in love then get bored of him going everywhere banging all girls so she fall in the don Juan lancelot. She was forgiven and return all happy with arthur and lives in the other world wanting to rule Britain again. So if you saw a raven could be Arthur protecting Britain
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And Lancelot got added because one day a French author was like âHey guys, remember those stories about that cool king? Well his best friend was FRENCH and he was the greatest best most handsome knight of anywhere ever. Also the queen was totally in love with him.â
Itâs all fanfiction just do what you want with it 
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Um⌠a jet-lagged hello from my layover in Hong Kong⌠I should have known the thread would get active again just when I wasnât around⌠Iâm afraid I donât have the battery life to respond to everything, but I do want to say thank you to the people who have brought up my in-game notes on historical âaccuracy,â and I would direct anyone who hasnât read them to take a look. Theyâre in the notes on the game accessible from the stats screen. I will repeat, yet again, that this game is, and always had been, a work of fantasy. 
And now to catch another plane! I havenât slept in 36 hours, and it will probably be another 9 or more before I can sleep⌠good times!
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Thatâs what happens when you turn your back on us 
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Just here to say that after thousands of ill-timed crashes stopping my Guenevere in the middle of book one, Iâve finished it for the first time! I lost my save code, but I finished it for the first time!
And I love this game. I love the romances, the characters, the Arthurian sagaâŚI just really enjoy this game. Thank you for making it!
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Well, problems⌠dismissed for another time, letâs change topic!
Sooooo⌠I always thought of Guen as a black woman, anyone with me? Anyone here watched BBC Merlin, you get me, right? You see where Iâm coming from? Such an iconic Guen for me, so very uniquely brave and active as compared to the ideas of a passive Guen I grew up on. Whatâs your iconic Guinevere or, Guen faceclaim?
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I never watched that show, I always thought the young Merlin thing just didnât fit. And honestly Iâve never been into Arthuriana before this game. I enjoy King Arthur as a character, with the struggle to create a utopia and the tragedy that he will never achieve it. But in English lit, there was a simplistic, judgmental tone of âthis is all Guinevereâs faultâ that drove me batty.
On Guenâs appearance, I picture her as a statuesque redhead. Blame the illustrations of Romantic paintings included in my textbooks, I guess
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Angel Coulby is always the first face I see when I think of Guenevere now (Merlin-watchers FTW!!), she wasnât the first Guen I saw but she absolutely killed it in that role. One of my Guens is pretty much Angel Coulby because I had to influence her storyline but the rest are oddly featureless in my head. I never gave much thought of what they looked like.
ETA: that may be unclear. Angel Coulby is the first face I see⌠but she is not the first actress I saw as Guen; that was Lena Headey when I was a kid but I only remember that she looked really well-dressed.
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in the end of the day Arthur wouldnât be the one that pressure her it just not his character. But I would not be surprised if Morgan actually put some pressure on her. Not including the court and then theyâre both there families.
There is no way itâs in character for Morgana to pressure Guen to have a child if she doesnât want to. I can pull quotes from the published game if you donât believe me.
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Didnt before but I sure as hell will now
@bobsmyuncle You inspired me to play through the game again. I now think you are correct that Morganaâs marriage appears to have happened before Arthur became king. I thought I remembered a scene where Count Grimald was asking why Morgana is not also addressed as a queen, but having reread that part, it does not appear relevant to the timing of Morganaâs forced marriage. I do not however feel that it changes much in the assessment of this gameâs Arthur. Morgana is miserable and wears her misery for anyone who cares to see, but all Arthur cares about is putting her dark magic to use.
I adore Morgana and anyone who harms her or causes her pain will rue the day they crossed my Guenâs path.
As was probably obvious from my post, I love that movie and while it re-imagines some Arthurian canon particularly concerning Lancelot, I still think it is excellent. I also love the sound track.
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From a Doylist perspective, itâs a function of the game that Guen can never be really offered a meaningful choice to not get married, though, so thatâs a little hard to pin specifically on Arthur. Guen can express her feelings on the matter numerous times to numerous people, which I like! One of the great parts of this game is how it allows you to uniquely shape your feelings on the things happening to you even if you canât directly change them. Really, you just get offered sympathy for it though - neither Lance nor Morgana encourage her to make a run for it. Even if it was in character, the game canât diverge so radically from the main path.
From a Watsonian perspective, I think Arthur is guilty of being insensitive and somewhat hypocritical in his conservatism - marriages to secure alliances being after all, the norm for nobility in the vague time periods the game is based on. Iâm hopeful that some of the changes Guen can make to Britain involve changing these things.
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Some of you are wanting Arthur to pressure Guen into having sex with him (wtf) and Iâm just here hoping that I get to tell him to bugger off and find himself a mistress like all âgoodâ kings do. He can make himself a bastard that he can legitimize later and I can have myself a Morgana. Win-win. 
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Itâs interesting to see all these people argue over Arthur not giving Guen an actual say in marrying him or not. But then again we probably wouldnât have this story if she didnât marry himâŚ
I do agree he is insensitive about some things even though he means well but thatâs what makes him relatable to me, so I canât find myself to hate him. I donât think it was right for him to exclude Guen from certain things because besides being married together they have to rule together too.
For those of you who reject Arthur I guess itâs fair. Mordred is going to make an appearance in the future anyway lol
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No incest bastards. Sorry Mordred.
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Now I can finally see where the people that dislike Arthur are coming from⌠It feels strange for him to be so direct in some things (like when he didnât want to kill that guy that would certainly come to kill his wife again, I forgot his name) and evasive/âforgetfulâ in other issues (like the forced marriage thing), It would be better if he did everything but seemed torn, only doing it to achieve his peace goal in the end.
But I still canât dislike him, and looking for the bright(?) side, the poor peasant girls have it way worse than us. I still feel bad about our dad pushing us into marrying and looking happy at the wedding, I really wanted to create a scene.
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