Fallen Hero: Retribution release thread! (Book Two) (Spoilers Inside!)

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Hey :joy: I got like six Sidesteps and you want me to choose just one option?

Ended up making a list (is a long one and has spoilers) about various choices my Sidesteps made:

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What did you do with Captain Blaze?

-First Sidestep (mob boss): Killed him quickly because that way they can fracture the team.

-Second Sidestep (hero hunter): Killed Captain Blaze by impaling him through a flagpole. She’s not a Hero Hunter,, she’s a Hero Killer thank you very much.

-Third Sidestep (thief): Blaze managed to notice her attempt to steal a briefcase and she set up an succesful ambush for him. She even managed to defeated Captain Blaze in a fight. Left him alive.

-Fourth Sidestep (mob boss): SHE LOST!! SHE LOST AGAINST CAPTAIN BLAZE!! I WILL FOREVER LAUGH ABOUT IT!! Did manage to kill Deveraux.

-Fifth Sidestep (anarchist): Put doubts in Captain Blaze’s mind.

-Sixth Sidestep (mob boss): Defeated Captain Blaze in a fight, but left him alive (he wasn’t known to be a killer at that point so killing Captain Blaze/Deveraux would have revealed him to be a killer)

Did you accept to work with Hollow Ground?

-First Sidestep: Nope! Also figured out what HG’s powers are. Sneaked into HG’s mind and saw HG’s memory. HG allowed them to leave peacefully. Hmm. Maybe don’t necessarily have to be enemies? , things might change in the future? Will have to see…

-Second Sidestep: She…“agreed” to work with HG (because she got caught in HG’s web lmfao what a loser)

-Third Sidestep: She figured out what HG’s powers are, but still agreed to work with HG (because she was curious what connected them together and…she kinda likes HG’s whole style?)

-Fourth Sidestep: She went to the meeting as Puppet (because considered Puppet to be expendable) and HG ordered Jake to kill Puppet.

-Fifth Sidestep: She was very nervous and wary about meeting the kingpin, was painfully aware how outnumbered she was as well, but didn’t want to find out what would happen if she refused to go to the meeting as herself, also refusing to go to the meeting might also set up an obstacle for her plans. She didn’t shake HG’s hand at all, but agreed to work with HG for potential information only (this is a business relationship), will have to see if the information proves useful or not. Right now wouldn’t be above stabbing HG in the back the moment their business comes to an end, (she’s anarchist, HG is upholding the system from the underground, might be smarter to take her down?) but who knows if things might change?
Oh, and she’s also susceptible to HG’s powers…

-Sixth Sidestep: He shook hands with HG, but his Strength of Mind telepathy was too strong for HG’s powers to crack through. Refused HG’s offer to work together. Managed to break through the dampeners and strengthened HG’s paranoia that he was at a risk as well. HG’s allowed him to leave peacefully.

Did you release the Cacofiend (It’s Catastrofiend!) from Dr.Mortum Gun?

-First Sidestep: Yup. They tried to shoot Lady Argent (flirting relationship) with Mortum’s gun because she wanted a reason to trust them and that would mean either revealing their identity or the reason they wanted the regeneration machine and no way they would do that. Besides by giving into her demands, they’d be indirectly giving power to her.
The two of them joined forces to take down Catastrofiend and they saved Lady Argent from falling rubble. She allowed them to take the regeneration machine but Catastrofiend is still on the run.

-Second Sidestep: ??? Mortum’s gun has WHAT now??? And I gave her the gun??? (she has no idea what the gun has lol)

-Third Sidestep: Nope! No idea Catastrofiend is in Mortum’s gun.

-Fourth Sidestep: yup. Shot Lady Argent (who considered her villain self to be a cheater) with Mortum’s gun. She managed to stay in the background while Lady Argent fought the Catastrofiend. Ended up seeing Lady Argent’s body melt and turn to smoke and do something weird shit. Catastrofiend still survived it?!? Also Lady Argent considers her villain self to be her nemesis now

-Fifth Sidestep: She visited the Casino with Mortum and I’ve played that scene few times. On couple of occasion she accidentally releases the Catastrofiend, but…I think on her “Main playthrough” she doesn’t release it?

-Sixth Sidestep: Has no idea that Catastrofiend is in Mortum’s gun.

What kind of Vilain are you really?

-First Sidestep: They are a villain and mob boss because it’s inevitable and don’t know what else to do. They don’t imagine they will live very long.
But they’re also competent villain, they’ve put a lot of effort into creating their villain self to be someone of power, someone to be feared and respected, all control and confidence. Good boss to their henchmen, the crew consider them to be friendly and likable, and they have a really high leadership so no problems there. The crew gives them some kind of purpose. Also ruthless, are able to kill people in the business and people know it. Some people are better off as dead.

Second Sidestep: She doesn’t place any value on the lives of people and has killed a lot people. She’s hero hunter/killer and she wants to prove she’s better than anyone else in the city. Bold, fearless, and fiercely independent, she’s built her villain self as a monster from some other dimension, someone to be feared of. Terrified even. Chaos and mayham aren’t far behind her where she goes. (she even went on a rampage at the auction even though she was there to only steal Mortum’s gun)

-Third Sidestep: Doesn’t kill, is technically prepared to kill people in the business, but it would be her last resort. She’s built her villain self to be someone of brilliance and utter confidence, someone people can’t help but to be awed at. She takes great pride in her career as a thief, but she also considers her status as a villain just a means to an end. Once she’s accomplished her goals, I could see her maybe trying to retire and try out that whole “civilian/normal life” thing.

-Fourth Sidestep: She doesn’t care who her targets are. So long as they stand in her way, lethal measures will be taken (not a mass murderer but has gotten civilians killed). She’s mob boss but only because she sees that as a means for her revenge and only method to built a power base large enough to take down the Farm and everything else connected to it. She’s created her villain self to be a mystery and an enigma, even her crew don’t know what she looks like or where her villain base is, they only know she’s terrifying and strict (I really want to see them betray her that would be so funny). Cautious, wary, and sneaky, she’s managed to keep her identity as a villain a secret from everyone.
She doesn’t really have any plans beyond her revenge.

-Fifth Sidestep: She’s anarchist aiming to kill people in power (the only way to make sure none of them will return and destroy her plans. She doesn’t believe destroying their reputations would be enough). She’s managed to keep her kills hidden or indirect (would prefer a projectile weapon of some kind, like a sniper rifle so she could take her targets down from a distance. Easier to stay hidden and get away faster) Her villain persona is purely professional, doesn’t allow herself to be caught in Villain Power High or displays of terror. She’s here to do a job and that’s it. Sneaky, cautious, and quiet, she prefers the shadows.

-Sixth Sidestep: Mob boss as well, and he’s the one with long-term plans to built his own criminal empire that he can rule as the kingpin (HG will be dead soon enough) because that’s how you get the good life for yourself. He named his villain self Sovereign so that should tell you a lot about his villain persona as well. His crew likes him.
Don’t let that confidence fool you though! He’s a COWARD! He WILL run away at the first sign of trouble in a fight, and he WILL call you a coward while running away (It’s not RUNNING AWAY, it’s a TACTICAL RETREAT). He also made Lady Argent accidentally kill a civilian (and ran away the second he realized she’s angry.)

Also, just quickly noting, maybe Sidestep lost their ability to possess people after the car crash and that might explain potentially feeling like “they lost something”

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I swear the first time I read Rebirth I thought I read “Castorofiend” (castoro is Italian for “beaver”) :rofl: :joy:

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My favourite

Do I need telepathic booster for this? Maybe I’ll take that option on more pragmatic route (so far I play only psychopath mc)

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I think it depends on your actions because you don’t use your powers against him. You actually ‘Talk’ to him during the fight.

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… Ah, nice, polite conversation. Boring!

A thing I noticed about FH is that its perfect results are boring… To get the most interesting scenes (ex. Lady Argent with your cape, the ReGene fight, the casino heist…), you must fail/doing not quiet right on purpose.

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Well, everyone has their own ideas what an interesting scene is.

But I like “failures” in FHR don’t automatically lead to a “You Died” type of game over where you have to resert to a certain save point to try again, but can lead to different types of scenes and outcomes

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Maybe failure will lead to best outcome in story :smile: :smile: Trying every route is very challenge

I think more than “failures are more interesting” another way to see it is that failing doesn’t mean necessarily missing out on good stuff? If anything, you get something that’s just as nice and not as infuriating as a “game over, try again lol”.
For example, I wanted to play with Steel’s route a little bit and discovered you can have the whole conversation you normally get in the diner with him just before the epilogues. I had him at a friendship level high enough to ask me to dive in his head even if we didn’t interact once outside the mandatory scenes. If you fail the willpower check (I believe), you get a scene where you learn Steel heard you call for help after HB. He thought he was hearing things, though.
So yeah, long story short failure doesn’t necessarily feel like a slap and that’s great.

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Like opening all the nine gates? :wink:

I kind of hope, at least one of my Sidesteps will end up opening all the nine gates just because it would be very interesting to see what would happen there.

Tell me about it.

I’m thinking of creating another Sidestep to see if I could get them to go down the “Puppet goes to HG meeting, Sidestep remains stuck in the Puppet after the car crash, Mortum rescues you” path, I really want to see what would happen there.

And I kind of want to create another anarchist Sidestep, but one that wants to be feared and is focused on revenge.

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For me, Only one I can say that Mortum is very sweet .He is deeply care for puppet / For sidestep if you reveal yourself to him (Even he angry you but he also truly care you) haha :heart_eyes:

Q: Does you get Rahim Attroney’s Ending ? What happen with Sidestep ? How to get this screen ?

P.S. Now I going to Steel route haha.Want to see what happen haha

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I didn’t get impression that they cared about Sidestep. Only about the puppet’s body.

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I make Puppet and Sidestep have same image so I don’t feel different . Well… Mortum will say They are alike but still want time for thinking. but I can feel He truly care about real Sidestep.even they stuck in Puppet .

At least he don’t want Sidestep die.In another route He won’t answer their phone If he doesn’t care Sidestep in Puppet body , but he does and help them. It’s enough to prove Mortum care as Sidestep , not as puppet Or when He meet Sidestep face to face ,he still use " Ma/Mon Cherie " with Sidestep . It’s prove he still care them,not puppet

Or Route Sidestep crash but still stuck in their own body, Mortum worried Sidestep.he worries that Sidestep have problem with HG and think look into it.It mean he care

I think Backstabbing route is understable . Sidestep doesn’t talk with Mortum plus Puppet wake
up .It’s make Mortum misunderstand in this situation plus Asshole Bad Boss image and jump concusion that Sidestep lie and play him again. It make him truly hate Sidestep and plot againt them.I belive deeply he feel hurt

Overrall I think Mortum care Sidestep. Again… He want time

Well. I admit I have bias.I like Character like Mortum haha.

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Really when I tell him the truth he gets mad and we don’t do business anymore so how did u do it.

On my anarchist Sidestep playthrough I did get an epilogue scene with Rahim, but Sidestep wasn’t directly involved in it. ( I think Anarchist Sidesteps automatically get Rahim epilogue scene since he seems to be a major character on that villain path, I’m pretty sure he otherwise doesn’t show up in the epilogues)

I don’t really remember specifics of Rahim epilogue. One thing that did stuck with me was Rahim being worried that some of the people he knew who had investigated happenings in the city suddenly dropping their investigations out of blue, like they suddenly decided it wasn’t worth the effort. I thought that could be HG’s powers at work.

I think, right now, Mortum (depending on relationship/connection) does care about Sidestep to some degree.
But they are more invested in Puppet or Sidestep who is stuck in Puppet’s body because that’s the face they are used to. With Sidestep purely in their own body, Mortum has to face the whole truth without having the Puppet’s familiar face there to…soothe/comfort them, I suppose.

I do think it’s possible for Mortum to come to care/trust for Sidestep in their own body, but I think it would take a bit more time for that to come true (and potentially depending on Sidestep’s choices as well, I’m guessing)
Considering what Sidestep did to Mortum I think it would be very understandable for Mortum to be angry at Sidestep and feel betrayed by them and need time to think what this means for them.

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I do think the fact that this is book 2/4 is part of why people feel so extremely polarized about Mortum right now. (As opposed to the normal amount of polarized. :P) Retribution ends right in the middle of Mortum’s storyline, and while a couple paths provide some last-minute resolution and leave off on a positive note for the MC/Mortum relationship, most players who come clean about the puppet are going to end on an uncertain “to be continued”. While I don’t think the current status of that relationship is meant to be taken as a final judgment on it (it just means the conflict will take more than one book to resolve), it’s as far as the series currently goes, so a lot of players are going to focus more on the uneasy/negative note they left off on than on the future resolution.

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Well, I can understand their point of view, but I won’t forgive them that attack on MC with the syringe. It was hard for MC to reveal all the secrets too, they risk a lot and this is how Mortum repays them? No, I don’t need that “friend”.

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So…in short: Enjoy being mad at Dr.Mortum? I’m! I pick ‘Boxing’ for the Puppet just for the Joy of Punching them early on! :joy:

I got this

Mortum? I thought people would feel the most polarized about Ortega. Mortum is the most distant RO since Sidestep and Mortum had never met before. The point of contact was only the puppet. They are almost strangers. People would feel stronger about Ortega’s confrontation about the villain reveal rather than Mortum’s betrayal after rescuing the puppet.

I don’t have any negative feelings for Mortum although my Sidestep got shot by Mortum and then got sedated again. It was a little surprising at first.
Mortum is really an interesting character. They know a lot about telepaths and what they are really capable of (much more than Sidestep knows). Because of that, Mortum doesn’t trust telepaths.

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It sounds absurd, but he knows far too well what powerful telepaths are capable of. The thing that worries him is that if he’s supposed to believe Cyrus’s powers are on that level, then that also means he has to doubt everything. Reality is subjective to a telepath, at least if it gets filtered through people’s minds.

Mortum felt really betrayed when Sidestep told the truth about the puppet after they met to give the gun. Mortum doesn’t take the deceit lightly. Afterall, Mortum had been talking to a fake person the entire time while they think as their real friend.
I still think Mortum has thought of the possibility that Sidestep also doesn’t know the truth.(although Sidestep was being sincere in the confession).

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There had been something there, itching at the back of his mind, telling him that something was wrong with the story he had been fed. Turned out he was right.
But what can he do about it? How can he break the news to Yasmin? Can he continue lying?

Although Mortum jumped back to the puppet’s side here, they felt conflicted whether they could conceal the story Sidestep had told them.

In the puppet crash, Mortum acted more positively towards mc. They said they didn’t want Sidestep to die. And I think Sidestep could even ask Mortum to retrieve the main body themselves. I thought Mortum was going to say no but they did, and ended up losing their drone in the process. I think the end part was a bit funny there.

A lot of Mortum’s story hasn’t been revealed. We’re only seeing Sidestep’s pov. But after replaying many times, Mortum is much more likeable despite having the weakest connection with the mc.

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