A Tale of Heroes (WIP) - 224k words. Updated 29/01/2025!

@Jjcb time for another round of question’s (since I have completed ATOH update a few times now)
Everyone who hasn’t played the update yet don’t click below, it’s nothing but spoilers.

  1. Was Stratton removed through Section 3 or Section 4 of the 25th? (My guess is Section 4 since he doesn’t seem like the type to give up power)
  2. Why did Gloria make Nova fly Air Force One? Did he make him or did nova want to fly it?
  3. Gloria does have a full complement of Secret Service agents with him, right?
  4. Also how did Seeker know someone was messing with his sword?
  5. Another related question, and I am afraid to ask, what happened to the guy/girl touching it?
  6. I noticed something when talking to Lat and Forlorn, Lat mentions that for Broken King everything is secondary, and while talking to Forlorn he says to Seeker everything(well almost everything I assume) is secondary, were the parallel’s intentional?
Minor Errors

  1. Here as you can see there is a continuation problem, that should be eliminated by deleting the empty line 4397 in Chapter 4.

  2. Line 5587 Chapter 4 "It'll be a hell of a mess if we can," should be "It'll be a hell of a mess if we can't,"

Suggestion
  1. After talking with Guys after dinner and before reaching Forlorns room I feel like there should be a minor dialogue about actually walking to the room I think.
  2. Line 5661, Here *disable_reuse #"An old friend? Who are you talking about?" Lat asks. should be *disable_reuse *if (convo_prog = 0) #"An old friend? Who are you talking about?" Lat asks. So the greyed-out option is not always there.
Minor Grammatical Error's and such

These are all in chapter 4

  1. Line 479, l[i]life.[/i] should be [i]life.[/i], extra l.
  2. Line 815 there shouldn’t be a quotation mark before but.
  3. Line 839 Apostrophe should be a Quotation Mark.
  4. Line 895 TIt should be It an unfortunate error.
  5. Line 897 Apostrophe should be a Quotation Mark.
  6. Line 1616 There should be a Quotation Mark at the End of the Sentence.
  7. Line 1712 There should be a Quotation Mark at the End of the Sentence.
  8. Line 1718 that seems out of place.
  9. Line 2357 There should be a Quotation Mark at the End of the Sentence.
  10. Line 4363 Ayou busy? should be Are you busy?
  11. Line 4509 wrong capitalization.
  12. Line 5725 Didi should be Did
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I’m curious if we’re going to be able to fight more or have more anger towards to heroes. As of right now it’s mostly just to ourselves (unless I’ve missed some choices) rather than express more distain for being forced to be a hero. The game is still really good just feels a bit like “I guess I’ll join u because I have to or go to jail/become a lab rat” *Gets to the heroes HQ “This a cage” then boom we’re all good with training & helping the heroes save people. I get we’re still going to end up as a hero but it doesn’t feel as organic to go from hating the idea of being forced to join to going to the mall & hanging out with the heroes as if we choose to join them. I hope this doesn’t come off as rude or anything because I really love the game it’s just confusing to have the chose to show distain for being forced to join & then have our MC act like it’s no big deal. If that makes sense

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I think what u have is perfect for the MCs who are excited about becoming heroes or the ones who are hesitant to join but still see it as a good thing. What I think ur simply missing is some scenes & choices between when our MC wakes up at the HQ before training & when we go out for ice cream for the reluctant heroes. For example Why would a pissed off or scared reluctant hero want to prove themselves to the people who forced them to join them? Why would they feel like the HQ is a cage, go to sleep, then willingly go to training & have breakfast? Perhaps & theses are just general suggestions so do w/ them as u pls since u are the author but perhaps let our MC choice how they go to training along side our choice of if they’ve fought before or not such as a eager hero may want to go, a hesitant hero may well be hesitant but still go, but a reluctant hero will not want to go & could either be talked into it or dragged kicking into the room (depending on if they’re scared or angry). *Chuckles to self. Sorry just picturing F dragging my MC into the training room xd. Their friend could talk them into going to breakfast & they could have a conversation w/ the heroes along side the one about them being able to cook. They could be friendly, scared, annoyed, or even asks for forgiveness for their actions the previous day. When it comes to their first fight. They could have the current choices along w/ the choices of having to be talked into the fight or not even address the heroes but simply charge in depending on if they’re scared or angry. This allows the characters to flow better along w/ the story. The reluctant hero MC doesn’t feel 2 dimensional anymore or feel like they just got over it as there are at least two ways to get a reluctant hero to feel organic. A) They slowly get use to what they have to do even if they never asked for it or B) Which is this story’s case: They’re thrown into a situation & just have to come to terms w/ the fact that they need to use their abilities to help people. In the case of our MC’s first fight. I’m not sure if u’ve seen the show but Trevor from the Netflix show Castlevania is a perfect example of a reluctant hero. All he wants to do is go get drunk & sleep under trees but he gets thrown into helping stop Dracula. A perfect scene for this is when he’s walking down a street & sees an old man being attacked. He tells himself to just keep walking but he can’t help it & he jumps in to save the guy. Like I said what u have is perfect u just need a few scenes & choices between our MC waking up & our first fight & it would be perfect for whatever kind of MC hero we want to play. Hope this helps & apologizes for the wall of text
My English lit/creative writing lessons & amateur writers brain just busted out of me there xd

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Welp, it’s that time again :slight_smile:

I really really really loved how this chapter turned out. I’m not American but I’d vote me in some good fucking Marcus Gloria. MUCH better than the fat bastard asshat who got kicked tf out. (Can we swear like this in Cog lol?) Having been one of the few people who knew of Ignis’ doomed romance I’m surprised you decided to tell the fandom. To be honest I was hoping you wouldn’t :sweat_smile:

I’ve decided to do this review a little differently. I’ll break them into Characters, give you my thoughts and opinions about them and anything I picked up. Things I liked overall will proceed then to tame your ego I’ll go over the errors I’ve found to conclusively tie it all together in a rebuttal and theories. This took several hours; enjoy!


Aki:

First and foremost since when did Aki become cute as shit? I did her play through first and couldn’t help but grin throughout the whole thing. The whole “You have a death wish” being a continuous phrase by Lat makes it all the more humorous as my MC avoids becoming another broken body to Forlorn’s kill count. I really fuck with her innocence and her desire to ‘explore’ romance but is trapped between Forlorn and her parents and her lack of friends due to confidence and schedule issues.

When questioned about Forlorn and their relationship, she seemed troubled; evasive really. Is her past or relationship with Forlorn so unnatural or toxic that even though she knows he means well, she’s embarrassed of him? She’s European and Forlorn being an American so there goes my ‘Forlorn is her uncle’ theory but I’m more inclined to believe they are cousins (distant cousins even) and he’s been tasked to take care of her from this side of the world.

I feel like some of the characters were walking plot devices to try and drill in some form of a message to the player and Aki’s was “Human’s are complex”. Philosophy aside, I believe this relates a lot more closely to many of the characters at first glance; ie. Ignis, Seeker, Forlorn, The MC (potentially), Aki herself, and The Broken King. I could honestly write essays to explain each individually but I’d like to focus on the Broken King. Specifically, so far all we know is “The Blitz Queen is dead, Simp King gets depressed and tries to find a way to bring her back.” But I’d be lying if I didn’t feel like there was more to his character. Perhaps another motive, maybe a new minor objective to complete his main one? I don’t know for certain but those were what clicked in my head as I read it.

Aki as a side character in the Lat plot is super good too. The 1 feature I believe she has is that, whether as an RO or friend; she’s always an interesting character. You can’t go wrong with Aki. The same works with the other characters just to a lesser degree.

There’s a lot of symbolism when it comes to names. Many of which I’ll address later, (honestly props to you for the extra effort) but I liked how sweet ‘Second Hope’ sounds like. Sure it only works if you spell it out but :fist: “WE DO NOT CARE” I am also 110% sure they will be a point in this book or the next where she is put in a situation where she’ll be the only hope or a very vital player. Hell, I’m willing to bet my left lung, Forlorn might even be impressed.

Overall I recommend the Ignis Simps who want to jump ship, go over to Aki. 100% would lock lips with again, too bad she’s just code and text. (What are the odds Forlorn kills the MC as he sleeps?)


Marcus Gloria:

I have no idea what the American Anthem sounds like but something about Mr. Gloria just makes me burst out and recite the full thing while unloading a GPMG. Needless to say, he’s a future villain. I hate to be this guy but I got the whole ‘I’m a good guy, but I’m not’ vibes from him very early on. He seems to be attempting to play to the Team’s favour by discrediting their main ‘opposition’ while being a pretty nice stand-up guy. I feel like Lat is very very correct when she says,

Gloria looks fine on paper, and, you know, he gave us a free day, so that part’s great, but that’s as a boss, not a president. Who knows if he’ll be good?

Legit I hope the Team isn’t put into a place where their interests conflict with Mr. Goddamn-Gloria but like you mentioned in a discord server; Gloria translates to Glory and if its 1 thing besides his personality I can take away from him, it’s that untamed ambition that makes me believe he’ll attempt to enact a policy or agenda that will give him an untold amount of prestige for generations to come.

I’d definitely love to see more of President Gloria (If it wasn’t obvious), too bad he wasn’t covered in sus. He did party up with Stratton after all. I doubt their beliefs are the exact same, but they must have seen some form of compromise between themselves if they could run as partners.

This leads me to wonder about his policy for and/or against superpowered individuals. I have a few theories below relating to him.


Forlorn:

There isn’t much to say about the main man, but rest assured I have some thoughts I’d like to share. It seems like there’s some real shit going on when it comes to Forlorn and relationships. He’s a 6ft muscular watchtower to Aki, his parents seem to be a ‘Do Not Discuss’ Zone, and the team is cordial as long as no one decides to get toooo close with Aki.

I’m calling it now, his parents are veterans or former Supers that got some clout and instilled in Forlorn some American Values which is why he is very harsh on Stratton in Chapter 4. Furthermore, the way he quickly ends both times his parents can be brought up rather quickly says a few things about his past. He’s either ashamed of something, wants to forget something or had a ‘bad’ past in general. It may be why he’s so strict with Aki (He wants her to be on his sigma-male grindset :money_mouth_face:).

Lastly, I RO-ed Aki and was, in fact, coming directly from smooching session only for Forlorn to not even reference, Aki, layout some threats, know what my MC’s intentions were, briefly remind my MC how quickly bones snap under his grip, Where my MC was coming from, and a last deathly reminder he knows where my MC sleeps. Can’t say I wasn’t slightly disappointed but I know you’ve been hardworking for several fucking weeks. I didn’t let it ruin my overall playthrough of the game and kept the ball rolling.

Also, I searched up what Forlorn meant to be ‘ahead of the game’, and… does Brodie need a hug lmao? I didn’t find much of a message behind his text except this

“I guess that makes sense. There’s not many people on our level as far as strength goes, so I guess it isn’t that serviceable.”
“Pretty much,” Forlorn says. “Though you shouldn’t get too cocky about your strength.”

I’m guessing my MC should invest in the Smarts stat. I’ve legit haven’t tried any other stat as my main one. Hopefully, you won’t punish my Grug MC, Almighty Benevolent Juan :slight_smile:


Ignis:

Oh boy. When you told me it was a doomed romance and I should count the red flags in the tiny excerpt you let me preview; after more or less failing I counted a few red flags that no one brought up yet. Playing through them again was, sad. I did notice a bit of them and honestly believed we were headed down the good ol’ love triangle route. Like my fellow simps, I would’ve rather 100% preferred that path; hell, I would’ve taken any alternative.

But even then, besides nagging and stomping our feet it isn’t our place to do anymore and I respect your decision 100%; No one can claim to know the characters better than you.

Anyways, with meta knowledge, the path felt nearly ruined. I honestly couldn’t fair go into it without over analyzing any and every dialogue with Seeker. “Best gal”, the ‘wink’, I don’t want to sound like a defeatist but the MC really lost before it even started. As a hopeless romantic IRL, it was stupidly easy to guess this ship was headed for dangerous waters.

Seething aside Forlorn’s a fucking comedian. We need more scenes of him. Also, I’m interested to see what you told me privately, being implemented. Getting further into the game, I like Ignis’ forward nature. Definitely a stark contrast to before, I’m glad the MC didn’t keep quiet about it. On the topic of Mr. Gloria, Ignis’s thoughts are much similar to my own. He’s great and all but he’s working under Stratton’s administration, there’s more to him for sure.

Something I’m now noticing (I’m playing, replaying writing as I go along), Everyone of your characters thus far has some shit going on. Or specifically a past part of themselves they want to change, erase, or forget; it depends on the character. So I have to give you props for the realism, granted the ‘Rich Person with Family Issues’ trope is hardly new, I like how every character is a bit more than tropes and cliches.

Ayo bro, I almost wanted to mod the WIP and make “cope and seethe” an option after her little rant lmao. Also, I’ve stayed up till like 5 am with my ‘friend’ does this mean there’s hope? :flushed:
On a more serious note, if I went into this passage blind, a small part of me would’ve wanted to jump ship. I really like how well you encapture how upset and lost she is but imagine saying, that, all that, to someone interested in you. I felt bad for my MC fr fr.

Also, Seeker did WHAT? to WHAT? because she was overly nice to Aki??? :rofl:
Make a telenovela someday, I’ll binge that shit.

Doing a lot of things, which I don’t want to share right now, but I promise we can talk about later. All that matters is that Seeker helped me out of it, even when I really didn’t deserve it, and I owe him for it. But it’s not something friends do."

Let me know if I’m wrong but I feel like due to her lack of real friends until later in her life; her vision of what a friend would do is skewered. Unless they participated in other recovery activities, none of which come to mind, I’m dumbfounded as to what Seeker did. Aki really hit the nail on the head with “Humans are complex.”

I searched up the meaning of Ignis and Ignis Fatuus was what was autocorrected and the direct translation checks out: ‘Foolish Fire’. Still going down with my ship. Ignis Supremacy >>> This way we’re foolish together :slight_smile: :heart:


Seeker:

“That’s it?” ~ Me, wondering where the rest of his tension was. I mean shit, Seeker doesn’t strike me as the guy would be a petty baby bitch about everything but I just went to a Hot Spring with Ignis, which he would 100% know about, and he only throws a side-eye glance? And that’s only after his old friend presses him.

I’m not as disappointed at all though because he may have gotten everything he wanted the MC to know off his chest in Chapter 3: ‘She’s my friend, don’t mess around, I’m not kidding.’ However, I did wish for some more ‘angst’ but kicking a downed dog is hardly fair.

Not gonna lie, his friend and backstory were a little meh to me. Don’t get me wrong his friend seemed great, and their dynamic was well-written but I feel like we got fewer answers than I would’ve hoped for.

The only things I really liked as far as anything goes is, his views on the Broken King are a direct contrast to what some would consider ‘his rival’. I want to see how the team’s differing views collide in upcoming chapters. And secondly, how tf did he know his swords were being tampered with? :eyes:

I would love to say more but, there isn’t much else that’s worth an explanation.


Nova:

I’ve never played a Nova RO MC before so I was walking in blind. Turns out, he’s not too bad. I like his dynamic with Mars the most tbh. The car ride as they’re just fucking around made me laugh quite a bit.

Congrats to Nova for being like 1 of the 2 characters more-less open about themselves. Besides his strained relationship with his parents. He seems like an actual open book, someone willing to share and give out some info.

In all honesty, I didn’t really like the romance all that well. It was by no means bad (I’d say so if it were the case) but it just wasn’t for me. I don’t know what can give this romance some ‘umph’ for me to actually want to invest a lot more time into it but unfortunately, I can’t say too much for Nova. He seems better as a friend than a boyfriend.


Mars:

First time playing Mars and I wanna give him a hug :hugs:. Not gonna lie, I sort of saw the whole, ‘I’m like you guys but I’m not’ coming from a mile away. The romance is really sweet, and unlike a certain character I didn’t feel like they were saying x, meant y, but felt like z.

Again I like the effort you put into with the names, if the whole plot is like this then I really cannot wait to read it all. For Mars specifically, I think I’d place him just above Lat and below Aki in terms of romance right now but in terms of potential, this would be #1. I feel like at some point Mars is going to quit is job and work for the league proper or work a lot more closely to the league.

I wonder why he’s so pushy. The MC can literally be like “Yo you ain’t alone bro, we are somewhat alike” but Mars tolerates like none of it and btfo of the MC. I mean damn bro, if you wanna be edgy just say that loool. He’s fun and I bet my other lung the payoff in his character growth will be just as impressive as Aki’s.

I do wish he told the MC more about his past but I’m guessing, the in lore reason is you don’t tell your new date exactly how you land a prestigious job on the first date no less.

His thought process is similar to Seeker’s which I found odd. I was under the impression he would hunt down any and all traces (no matter how small the lead may be) because he couldn’t risk another attack on the President or capital.

Final thoughts on Mars are the following: I pity the dude almost. His powers can’t be turned off, he’s always on the job, his boss sucks and his ‘friends’ don’t often meet up with him. Although he’s sweet he would be my favourite character. Marcus Gloria has appeared less than he has and has encaptured me tightly. Unless he does ‘more’ or takes on a bigger role I don’t see him improving anywhere except in the romance aspect.


Lat:

I was lowkey planning on friend-zoning Lat and never touching her romance but an anonymous source told me it was a comedy fest so here I am. Fuck. The ‘Pals with Goals’ scene in both Aki RO and Lat RO versions had me rolling. Aki either trying to make sure she wasn’t being played with or Lat trying to hit if off right then and there.

Which begs the question, if the MC and Lat already both like each other, why haven’t they tried things out until now? I found it slightly immersion-breaking once I started pondering it but oh well.

“Then get on the bed.”

Now… I’ve rejected the horny… I swear… but maybe Lat is the best RO :eyes:

On a semi more serious note: “Worthy Mistake” Jesus Christ, If I ever have a kid randomly I’m stealing that. I’m certain we all know how Lat was conceived. Funny as shit not gonna lie, but her logic is weird. She seems to believe that because of nothing being found then there’s definitely something sus going on proving the Broken King’s existence. However, I’d staunchly disagree. In 1000 plus years eventually, things become lost to time, and the way BK is portrayed he gave up literally everything looking for a cure. Yet turned up with nothing, his people who revere him are eventually
going to lose faith in his existence or turn him into some folklore that can also be so diluted with time and cultures it eventually loses all semblance to its original virtues.

That isn’t her only ‘oopsie’ in the logic department. How does “Hey if Lat is a very rare name, no one will know it’s mean” guarantee her identity’s safety? Wouldn’t that mean the few people who do know her by name can now be suspicious of her?

I’m inclined to believe she eventually gets fucked over and has her identity lost to the public at some point due to carelessness and the MC will be there to comfort her.


What I liked:

The romances 100%; I haven’t been this engaged in ROs for a long time. Keep this shit coming and I promise you, ur going to be writing straight gold one day. I cannot overstate some of those scenes.
The whole names and hidden messages shows the effort you put behind the project as well. This chapter was a treat to keep things short (albeit it’s a lil late for that). I hope next chapter focuses more on the plot and maybe we find out more about the BK.


Rip Juan’s Ego 2021:

Believe it or not, I only have 1 complaint. It came out late I can tell you wrote some bits late at night or while you were tired. Some sentences looked unfinished or incomplete. Just below this I’ll put a few screenshots of things you should correct upon.

There was something I did pick up on though. In earlier chapters choices disappeared as the player selected them. In chapter 4, they stayed greyed out and in some cases could lead to loops due to not being greyed out at all. Some examples include;

  • First and 2nd last Aki question (in the teddy bear room) did not grey out.
  • First Mars option (Sitting down) did not grey out.
Errors

Capitalize 'I'
capitalize the ‘i’


‘DIrector’ → ‘Director’ (btw was this on purpose? I have several of these types of 'errors but with how consistent they are, I was afraid they might not be. Let me know and I’ll include them all)

The quotation marks here tripped me up.

it should be herself not himself

(another example of the capitalized I) AND fix the “Yes, he are,”


Quick Questions/Last Thoughts (pre-rebuttal):

  1. Why are the estranged parents more accepting of the hero’s life than loving parents?
  2. I feel like allowing ghost MC to be willed in whenever the MC needs him may create an additional problem for you as some players may think they’d need him in a certain instance but not find the option to do so. So will you then create the option to have him ‘summoned’ in nearly every fight or major battle?
  3. I feel like when Aki, Lat, and the MC are going to the Mall; Lat should mention “You have a death wish” it’s kind of her trademark slogan whenever Forlorn is ready to rip off an arm yet she didn’t say her line.
  4. Can the MC choose to reveal their identity and if they’re an orphan can they use their life as a poster-boy example of ‘beginnings don’t matter’ or ‘your past doesn’t define you’ something cliche since you’re clearly an expert :stuck_out_tongue:

Rebuttal:

Overall I’d give chapter 4 a solid 8/10. It would be a 10 but Ignis got me unironically upset and made me literally seethe, then Nova’s RO didn’t stir well with me so both evidently lowered my final thoughts overall. Any immersion loss wasn’t factored in due to me overanalyzing anything and everything. I was constantly trying to read between the lines and catch up on potential fore-shadowing. (I mean in the case of Ignis I think I fulfilled my daily sodium intake. I cannot stress how much I’ve physically aged)

Anywho, I hope I brought in something useful and it wasn’t just a long ramble about Ignis. Keep up the good work, I can’t wait until the next time!

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OK so I’m gonna just say this from my point of view of course you’re free to write however you feel the game should go this is just me and my constructive criticism talking so now that you’ve confirmed that the Ignis Romance is doomed to failure I don’t really see a point in playing through it you know what I mean if it were possible just incredibly difficult that would be one thing but as somebody who plays a lot of these interactive Fiction games as well as normal video games in general normally I play to win or get the best ending out of my experience something of a reward for all my hard work so for me if I know out of the gate that I’m going to lose I’m simply not going to Play the game so to speak as in I’d rather go for Aki or lat instead since I know that I’ll actually be able to achieve a happy ending with them rather than go with Ignis where the game is rigged for me to lose from the start you know what I mean?
Anyway that’s my two sense

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Hey, guys! Thank you so much for the feedback and questions, I really appreciate it! Likewise with the grammar and coding errors, those can slip under my eyes sometimes, so I appreciate you all bringing them up!

  1. Rather observant of you to ask, first of all. :stuck_out_tongue: Stratton was removed through Section 4, meaning that Gloria and the rest of the cabinet were the ones who had him stripped of his powers, at least temporarily.

  2. A combination of both! Nova was interested in Air Force One, while Gloria wanted a look, or at least a hint, on how USAF equipment stacks up to the League’s own.

  3. Yes, Gloria does have a full complement of Secret Service Agents. They did not come in AFO with the rest of the League, but they are in the hotel, those are the armed guards it is mentioned Ignis and Mars got him to accept.

  4. Good question. It has something to do with his powers.

  5. Nothing much, thankfully. They were hotel staff who seemed to have gotten a tad too interested in their newest tourists. Seeker got them to leave and agree that they’d leave cleaning and arranging his room to him.

  6. It wasn’t my intention when writing it, I don’t believe, though the parallel is undeniably there. Huh.

Thanks for the error reports and suggestions, I’ll begin working on them ASAP!

I considered it, but it didn’t exactly feel fair. The romance only legitimately ends in the penultimate chapter, so I think it’d feel like a bit of a kick to the face to only let it be known then.

I don’t know if I mentioned that in the game proper, but if I did, then that’s certainly a mistake. Forlorn’s nationality shouldn’t be something the player knows as of yet (though the assumption that he and Aki come from the same place is more than fair to make, I suppose).

You know, I can see definitely see where you’re coming from, but I must admit that wasn’t my intent. I think it may enhance the narrative, but that was meant more as a mantra that Aki holds onto whenever she gets pressured about her likes and what she’s into.

Perhaps so! A thousand years are a long time, certainly enough for things to change, plans to go awry, and… Well. You’ll see. Though I wouldn’t exactly call any possible second objective ‘minor’.

And you shall, you shall! I am glad he’s made an impression (positive or otherwise), he’s probably the character that’s most fun to write, behind maybe Ignis and Seeker. He’s going to remain relevant through the entire book, so I’m definitely glad for any and all feedback that could be given about him.

Yes, well, if you recall, Aki specifically asks you to not share what you two got up to, and then immediately proceeds to send a heads up to Forlorn that everything is fine and nothing happened. Unless Forlorn was psychic, or the MC proceeded to immediately break his promise to Aki, there’s not really a reason for either of you to bring up your Aki-scapades.

I did briefly consider including a choice for Akimancers to ask what his deal with Aki is, but I couldn’t find a way to implement it properly at the time. I think I’ll revisit the idea eventually, though I am taking a slight breather from writing any new content.

You know, for all of Ignis’ talents, knowing who isn’t a good venting target isn’t one of them. Then again, according to Lat, she’s been playing that cat and mouse game for at least a year or two, and no answer has been forthcoming. She’s probably frustrated something fierce at this point.

The two muscle heads have butted heads over their preferred members of the team, yes. This won’t ever happen again though, I swear.

It probably is, but, honestly, the way Seeker handled Ignis at the time definitely doesn’t sound to me like something I’d expect a friend to do in real life. Maybe that says more about me than it does about the act itself, but we’ll have to wait until it is brought up in the game.

Ironically, that’s rather fitting! Ignis can also mean ‘Light’, by the way. Wonder if anyone’s brought up ‘light’ in Chapter 4… :thinking:

On one hand, I feel the need to remind you that there’s a jacuzzi inside the Mansion, so it’s not necessary that you did something new, and on the other, I’d also like to mention that Seeker doesn’t exactly care who Ignis fools around with. Ignis is a free woman, they’re not together, and that’s not even getting into discussing what his feelings for Ignis might be, something that none of the team members (except for maybe Forlorn) are informed enough to make guesses on.

Seeker isn’t going to be presented as someone conflicted about your relationship with Ignis, because he doen’t consider the MC someone he’s competing with, or anything like that. Seeker has enough sadness in himself to last him several lifetimes as is.

… Well. He had sadness. God only knows what it’s turning into now.

If you have any ideas for what you’d like Seeker and Shin to have discussed, please feel free to bring it up! I’m aware that’s the shortest interaction, and while that’s partly intended because you get an entire other scene with him, I’d still like to make it fulfilling.

As mentioned above, it’s related to his powers!

Partly! The reasoning behind him landing that job will come up eventually.

I do not know if it’s all that similar, being entirely fair. Seeker doesn’t seem to dismiss the idea of the King existing, he dismisses the idea of the King being a threat. Meanwhile, Mars thinks that whether the King exists or not is secondary to what those who believe he does are capable of.

You can ask Latooni about this, actually! The Watsonian explanation is given by Lat, she was too scared of going for it and kept waiting for the ‘right moment’, which never happened for her. The Doylist explanation is that it’d be far more complicated to write in a relationship from the beginning of the game, plus it would force the players to make a choice on whether they’re with Lat far before they have gotten a good grasp on her character.

On the greying, that’s intended. I like the neatness of options vanishing after being taken, but considering how long some of these conversations can get, I opted to leave the option text visible, so the player can quickly recall what they were told by the character.

As for the loops, those are definitely mistakes, yes, I’ll have them fixed soon!

Theoretically? They’re probably happier that you’re finally making something out of yourself. It’s up to the player, though, so headcanon it away.

Yes, the ghost will be able to be invoked during your fights, or even for commentary, assuming you get to watch someone else fight.

It’s probably a neat idea, but she does already mention it a couple pages ago, so I’d rather not overuse it yet.

Perhaps, eventually. Your MC’s identity is remaining hidden for now, however.


@Clara_Wolfenstein Your suggestions are sound! I definitely don’t want to make the MC’s feelings feel like they were handwaved, so I’ll more than likely go do a slight rewrite of Chapter 1 and the start of Chapter 2 eventually, to make their thoughts and actions be more fitting.

Also, thank you for your compliments! I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the game so far, and I hope it continues to hold your interest as the plot develops.


@Atomicurtchen I understand your thoughts, and I do believe they’re more than valid. In general, I agree more than a bit in regards to happy endings and the like for when I’m playing videogames (a large part of why I enjoy the Trails of… series is that despite how bleak things seem at times, there’s always a happy, or at least optimistic ending to cheer you up)/

The Ignis romance is definitely not for everyone, and I don’t intend to imply that, so if anyone’s ever gotten that implication, I am more than sorry. That said, I do intend to make the Ignis path fulfilling, and to give the player a deeper look into the character than you’d get otherwise, so I do hope some people still feel interested enough to give it a whirl, even if not as their main/‘canon’ path.


Anyhow, again, thank you all for your feedback! It is supremely helpful, and allows me to better gauge how some characters are being received and perceived, which is of course important to my writing process. I don’t have a way to properly thank you all for your help. :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

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Well played @Jjcb

As long as you allow us to play matchmaker to Ignes and Seeker, I am ok with you making Ignes a doomed option for the player … just saying those two really belong together.

Be careful with Forlorn … right now he is on the borderline of toxic obsession. I don’t think your goal is to portray him thus, so just be careful as he develops further in the story.

There are two areas of concern.

  1. mechanically the choices alloing us to visit other team members are all tangled up. Sometimes they grey themselves out properly and at other times they do not.

  2. you convince the reader there is a sense of urgency to train and get better, but you don’t show us working harder, smarter and really trying to go through the Eye of the Tiger…

When Rocky got his ass handed to him by Greko the big Russian dude … the Eye of the Tiger music blasted and Rocky was shown working his ass off … punching dead cows and running up stairs in sped up filming that was totally 80s… I digress.

My real point being … yea, you have our subconscious self turn voyeur to warn us again… but the MC’s training and intensity just seems stuck at the normal level. Let me go crazy… to the point where Ignis and Forlorn get tired of us harassing them to train us … let us feel the pain to train…

ok. I’m heading back into the covered wagon days, for now. Stay sane, dude :slight_smile:

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That’s an idea I’m more than flirting with, yes! The player will likely have more than a couple options to suggest those two should just stop lying to themselves, and even push them to do it.

I thought of this when I included the bit about Aki reporting to him every once in a while, so I’m definitely watching to make sure I don’t exactly cross a line. I’m definitely planning to have him take a bit of a chill pill for a while, since the MC does make Aki happy, and as possibly explained by Ignis, if Forlorn does see that Aki’s enjoying herself, he’s not above admitting he jumped the gun.

That said, of course, if any of you do think I’m going a bit too far with it, do let me know. I’m more than willing to step it back a tad.

Forlorn’s actions in regard to Aki make… quite a bit of sense, once his backstory becomes clear, but I’d rather not make him irredemable and then have a convenient excuse for it in the form of his backstory.

Yeah, this is definitely an issue I am having atm, I’ll sit down in front of the code and try to give it a fix this weekend.

This is fair! Chapter 5 is going to be a very action-heavy one, so I hope to show that the MC’s training is indeed noticeable, though I think I could more than definitely bring up the MC’s super intensity with training via Forlorn in his scene, or in the training proper.

Of course, same to you! I’ll be passing by the wagons in a couple days as well, so I’ll hope you’ll have me then!

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Excuse me what do you mean by that? @Judarkus Ignis was my favorite RO and it already sucks how she can be i don’t know "Undecided.

About the Ignis route, will it stay in a love triangle? Is she just using mc to make seeker make a move on her? Depending on how good/high MC’s relationship is with her will she choose mc if she has to choose one? Is mc doomed to stay as a side dish for satisfaction and no more? Also about the stats, are some of the stats tied? For example, will you get a bonus for having strength+smarts seeing as the smarts stats only use seems to be that mc knows martial arts? Is the charm+blaster combination related too? Will we be able to overcome battling situations without investing anything in battle stats? What is the purpose of the stats if there isn’t any stat checks whatsoever, are those planned for the actual book? Also what’s the use of the charm stat? As I see it right now you either go full physical or full blaster, since the smarts and charm stats are practically useless

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I wouldn’t exactly call the current situation a love triangle (ymmv, of course), but no, a decision will be made eventually.

No, Ignis is not using the MC as a pawn to get Seeker to go for her. She’s nowhere near that manipulative, and, if you are observant, you can already begin to guess what’s going through her mind.

No, that will not be the case. If it was, it wouldn’t be a doomed romance. The MC’s possible relationship with Ignis is definitively ending at a certain point, or even earlier, if the MC so chooses.

They are not, though sometimes they may be tested together.

I don’t think this is necessarily the case. Using your smarts is a legitimate way to investigate and defeat the Pyrokinesis villain in Chapter 2, and although it isn’t brought up in Chapter 3 (if I recall correctly, at least), it does make certain appearances in Chapter 4. It gives the player some extra insight at the beginning of the Chapter, if you make a certain choice high enough Smarts allows the player to slightly lower the ‘antileague’ stat, as well as also helps them to make the connection with Forlorn’s fighting style later on and figure out Mars’ point if you choose to meet with him and ask about the King, granting the player a relationship boost with both characters.

Not necessarily. If anything, Blaster would more likely be connected to Smarts than Charm (shooting is all fine and fun, but knowing what to shoot is arguably more important).

I’d say that there are definitely stat checks in the game, but they aren’t ‘pass them or lose the game’, or only related to fighting. Beating the pyrokinesis villain cleanly without damage and a smaller amount of wounded civilians depends on the player passing stat checks, you get different results at the choices at the beginning of Chapter 4 depending on how high your Melee/Smarts/Charisma stats are, and the two cases mentioned above in regards to Forlorn and Mars, + the extra insight.

Likewise, do note that Chapter 4 is a breather chapter, meant to allow the player to calm down after all the events they experience in quick succession. Chapter 5 literally starts off with the League facing down several building-sized robots, while having to keep the most important heads of state in the planet safe. There’ll be more than a few checks in there, and failing them will have certain consequences.

The same use as the rest of the stats, of course. They’re a feasible way for the player to deal with the tests the game will put them through.

It should, also, give the player a bit of an extra hint on what certain characters are thinking, or what the hidden meaning behind some of their statements are.

Take, for example, Chapter 3, after Seeker’s scars are brought up:

“They’re old war wounds. They’ve been there a while.”

“You look happy about that,” observes an incredulous Latooni.

*if charm >= 40
No, he doesn’t, you realize. Or at least not entirely. He might be smiling, but his eyes… That’s not sadness. But it’s something close to it.

I do believe Charm could get some extra kicks in, like giving the player some extra info on what the G7 members are thinking and implying during the meeting, but so far Charm has as many uses as the Blaster stat does, if not more, and will continue to be a possible way for the player to face the conflict scenarios they’ll be thrown in.

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Ignis: Don’t worry, you won’t catch me in his bed or anything like that.

Also there should really be an option for MC to back off from Ignis at the hot springs part, cause all the options are to agree to be with her even though you can stop things with the others like Lat. After hearing all those red flags, I feel like alot of people would wanna cut things off especially since not everyone playing will know her relationship is doomed and will probably pick Seeker is what I’m getting.

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Ignis & Seekers relationship is adorable. I would love to be able to play matchmaker a little bit & see how their relationship plays out. I do feel that Forloan and Aki’s relationship is a little toxic. He comes off as obsessively protective & I just want to help Aki get out & be able to have some fun away from Forloan

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Okay, to be entirely candid, that part is true. Ignis isn’t someone that would descend to cheating on their partner, no matter what. And even if she was, Seeker has enough self control to know that’d be a total bad idea.

… I mean. Probably.

Anyhow, more seriously, regardless of the romance being doomed or not, the player will not be cheated on. I do not consider that something I’ll ever want to tackle in writing.

This is a good suggestion. It’s one that would fit, too, though it’s something that will only be available to Ignismancers. When I do an extra round of balancing and the like, I will definitely add an option for the player to say that isn’t a minefield they wanna walk into.

A ‘little toxic’ is more or less what I’m going for, at least on its face. Forlorn is absolutely trying to keep Aki safe, but he’s not looking at it from an unbiased, or even entirely normal perspective, which has reasons related to his backstory.

This is a bit of a spoiler, I suppose, but Aki can mention Forlorn “doesn’t know spelling out Aki can mean ‘Second Hope’”, and him suggesting that name doesn’t have to do with that.

She is wrong. Forlorn absolutely knew what the meaning behind the name is, and it is the main reason behind him suggesting she use it.

Forlorn wants to keep Aki safe, before anything else, but… he doesn’t know how to do that. He wasn’t trained for it, his growing up did not at all prepare him for taking care of someone else like he now has to, and that’s not even getting into what his growing up years did prepare him for. A lot of his actions are him stumbling around doing what’s technically safest for her, while not necessarily what is best, but he’s far too proud a person to admit it to himself or her.

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Honestly I would probably play a Ignis route only to see what happens after what I’m thinking happens. Like what would the MCs relationship be with both of them and would they feel used and upset or would they just get over it? Would it be something that affects the whole team and is carried throughout the whole game?

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Honestly, that’s one of the parts that I’m most interested in tackling, as well as worried to present correctly, when the thing that dooms you happens. I’m planning for the player to have more than a few ways of reacting to… well. It, ranging from being totally understanding, to ‘it stings, but it wasn’t meant to be,’ all the way to 'so, i’m, what, a game?’, and they’re all going to be valid ways to react and carry through.

How the team reacts, well, let’s just say there’ll be a… split in opinions over it, to say the least.

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I just love Aki… plain and simple. I thank you for giving a character such as her, she is just adorable… Cough Am not impatiently waiting for this late night make out scene with her Cough

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I know Lat wouldn’t do this, but it’s just funny to imagine

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Speaking of, would we be able to start with someone else later after it happens.

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Yes, the plan so far is for the player to have a chance to get involved with Latooni after the doom of the romance. I’m also considering adding chances to get involved with the other ROs in the sequel, but I haven’t decided yet. There will likely be another RO introduced in Book 2 though, so she should also be a possible option for the player.

@GKRA I’m happy to hear you’re enjoying hanging out with Aki! Writing the little lady is always super sweet, and I really enjoy exploring her dynamic with the player and the world at large.

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Oh who is she!? Villain?

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