Why so cruel
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The thing is, our MC had done enough acts in Book 1 before we meet Riley , and these are the people who vote for us ā¦ Riley didnāt really see us or know us enough , in the end people just vote for those who save or help them ā¦ fair deal without 50 points bonus
Riley is selfish in the sense he wants people to listen to his logic, he could find multiple reasons when someone doesnāt listen to himā¦
If a person, disregard of age or gender manage to perform the deeds in Book 1 , he/she is enough to be a leaderā¦
Those who think someone is too young or too old , are similar to those who discriminate people based on gender 
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I thought it was pretty merciful considering I didnāt say I was going to make his friends and supporters watch the fate thatās about to befall them. Provided I canāt use them to serve my all but assured path to post apocalyptic dominance. If theyāre not with me their corpses will be stepping stones to for me climb to my rise to power. āTrust me Iām a doctorā HAHAHAHAH !!!
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For the record I donāt use the 50 points (makes the game too easy to me anyway) so I know you can do a lot without it. Yes the MC can be a very capable person and I agree with your logic when you say their actions are what make them capable Iām just saying Iām able to see his concern/ viewpoint not that I agree with it.
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Hahahaā¦ funny thing was when i play as movie star and wrestler, who should be around the healthy age of 25 to 30+ ? Definitely good age to be perceived as leaderā¦ Brody told me " i am too old as compare to him " :-)
So in his mindset, he should be leaders because those who are older than him are weaker and less staminaā¦
Thatās why i mention, in a wayā¦ it is hard to judge those who judge others based on age , they could argue you are either too young or too old based on their persepective
Thatās why @JimD actually make a good point in the game, i think ā¦ no matter what age group are us , there could still be people judge wrongly about us 
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Just like real life.
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This makes significant sense and is connected with his story too, as his major traumatic event, which sets him onto the path of vengeance, is all about his mother having been turned into a zombie and trying to save her, and the Makarovs killing her. So he does really feel like thereās still a person in a zombieā¦ and all this zombie-killing is likely to remind him of this terrible experience and the very reason heās seeking revenge.
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Jamie is a better leader in certain aspects like the empathy part where as Rachel is more like logic oriented .She doesnāt fool around i.e focused on the job or role at hand. Favorite love interest Madison because she seemed like a spoiled brat outwardly but it was her way of maintaining her composure or cool.Like she mentions in one scene that she was forced to play that role because it is what expected of her.Besides she is really intelligent when she wanted to be especially in the school where you place the signal transmitter.My mc is tennager so Madison is the best choice .
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Rachel.
Now, I like Jaime-heās cool, heās chill and overall just a pretty swell fella. And I donāt find his empathetic and forgiving attitude to be irritating or naive; compassion has its place in the apocalypse because, without it, weād all constantly be at each others throats and drive ourselves to extinction. But admittedly, he seems to be a bitā¦too forgiving, yanno? I wouldnāt really trust this guy to be in a leadership position in a time where hardships and dread are practically your next door neighbour. I could definitely see him as the sorta unofficial āmost popular personā in the group, but nothing much other than that.
Rachel, on the other hand. Regardless of my opinion of her, there is no denying that I would feel much more comfortable following orders from her. Sheās skilled, calculated, knows who should be where and what they should do, is realistically cautious and wary of strangers but not trigger-happy crazy around them, and thatās just the tip of the iceberg in terms of her capabilities. Sure, she can be a bit heartless and cold-blooded, but I figure that if her ruthlessness ever went too far, the MC/Jaime/someone in the group could try to persuade her to a more compassionate decision.
As for MCā¦eh. Of course they could objectively become the best leader in the group. They could have the compassion and likability of Jaime, and the caution and skill of Rachel and probably a shit ton of other upsides to boot. They could effectively become a Gary Stu whoās the perfect leader and always leads their group to safety, never faltering at least once. Some find that to be appealing, be it for the power fantasy or the satisfaction from mini maxing. Others find it to be too easy and boring. I know I went off on a tangent here, but thatās because thereās not really much to say about the potential of the MC as a leader. They could be the best leader or the worst leader-it all depends on the player.
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I wonder about Rachel being ruthless though. Cause from my pov, Rachel is level headed but never cruel or ruthless. I believe her cool demeanour is just a facade while inside, she is just a kind person that trying to do her best for others.
On other hand. Jaime killing Dillan made me think that Jaime can be ruthless when he want to especially toward his enemy despite mostly act kind and caring toward others. If anything, I fear Jaime more than Rachel. Hoping for no Tom 2.0
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Idk Rachel is a super spy and highly manipulative, if you have high empathy you can see that when romancing her sheās just trying to please you and not actually into you romantically. and even if sheās kind and stuff inside she has to be ruthless for survival of the group, and if faced the dilemma of saving hundreds by sacrificing few sheāll always sacrifice the few for the greater good without batting an eye.
While Jaime is more of a care bear, and the incident with Dillan was probably because of the stress and shit due to the Apocalypse and the fact that he was his captive.
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I am encouraged by how deep everyone is finding @JimDās characters to be. Character development should be something he is recognized for more than he is
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I think Jaimeās more of an open book, whereas Rachel will keep secrets if she thinks itās for the best.
Iād sooner have Jaime as the leader, but we definitely need a Rachel in the group. I hope they keep working together.
Neither of my MCs would be good leaders. Nathan is too idealistic and fragile - people would die and heād shut down. Eli is too reckless and unstable, sort of like The Governor.
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Yes she is highly manipulative and is good at making herself appear weaker than she actually is which is hopefully something she or the player can ask to use against our enemies of course this depends on how we dealt with Keith and company. As for the āmillion is a statisticā scenario, while thatās looked down upon in real normal life we canāt say we wonāt ever be in a position later on in the story where we may have to āsacrifice the few for the greater goodā. Also did you ever think about the possibility that Rachelās afraid to lose us? and thatās why sheās being distant or trying to please us?
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I think itās interesting how youāre MCās are on 2 widely different emotional frequencies. Also I have Walking Dead flashbacks to the comics whenever I hear someone say The Governor. Is your Eli MC not a good enough leader or is he not a great manipulator? Because I remember the Governor being a great manipulator but a shitty leader.
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I think she really is, from her original group there is only Bailey left, as far as I recall.
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I also love the many layers Jimās characters have. I have never really done a playthrough with people largely not liking me, but I think it might be worth the effort to see how it effects various characters interactions.
I donāt mind Rachelās deceptions so much as her method of trying to take control of the group. She is clearly not giving her all during the speech, intending to allow someone else to take control in the hopes that she can step in when something goes seriously wrong and begin running things her way without needing the concessions that would be necessary to earn enough votes.
Her intentions shifted when the ones to pay the price were from her own group, and I suspect she is being more genuine in her desire to support the group from that point on.
I also think her experience as spy is more limited than what most people expect, and that most of her success is do to doomsday preparatory training, rather than familiarity. Her mistakes in selecting people for tasks are a bit to numerous.
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Yes but, in my opinion, if we ever turn out to be a hindrance or a danger of any kind for safety of the group then she wonāt hesitate in āoffingā us
Also about the pleasing part, I think that she is trying to manipulate MC to do as she says by beguiling us, seducing us, so that we donāt disagree with her and support her.
(ps. I donāt think sheās just like this cynical selfish character just that itās more likely than the latter since sheās practically wired to think that way what with being a spy and all)
Theyāre both unstable in a way, but otherwise, couldnāt be more different.
Eliās good at killing and can be very charming, but like The Governor, his temper and instability hinders him. If a war broke out, heād probably get everyone killed (though the group may turn on him first.)
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Personally, I love playing the more pragmatic, ruthless characters because thereās so much fun you can have playing a morally flexible character yes you feel gross about being a complete psychopath. But I personally enjoy being a cold hearted con artist whoās even to get people she wanted to leave behind (Brody & Madison) and told them and Jaime that she doesnāt want to babysit them or theyāll just slow her down and they still vote for her because of how good she is at manipulating the group. " Dance Puppets, Dance!!"