What are your controversial opinions of IF Games?

That’s no problem, I’ve done the same myself on occasion.

On the subject of race I am curious… given how most games give the option of choosing your race, how many have it actually mean anything in game? I can only think of Choice of the Vampire doing so…

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I discovered Choya before came here and I didn’t return most of the stuff is directly bad and choices are few. And adult material is terrible

Well like I said, it’s porn, and porn tends to be tacky and straight to the point most of the time. :yum:

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I think their was miscommunication here. Major games on here treat gender and sexuality as check in box that normal crammied into the story for the sake of the brand of IF game my frustration is come off Stale And husk to me. They are thinks are massively important in society. Not being treated as such is disservice. So the richness of the situation other than show the different relationships that products of that it doesn’t show the different levels of power and avenues of that Or experiences. And that frustrates me to no end. I mean by interchangeable says exactly what they are treated as nothing value on here just something player slap like a sticker in the power fantasy or wish fulfillment they current playing.

That’s my other controversial opinion I am sick and tired of the different version of power fantasies on here. I want stories that actually have people From real settings I want story follows somebody life that does not end in this over powered wish maker.

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And that’s why I love it.

I think Caraway in tin star has a native race fetish? Plus I’m hoping being Chinese or native would have an impact.

Not particularly controversial as I can’t imagine anyone will disagree with me here but I really loathe it when my MC is given some kind of mandatory crush or past romance. Especially when my MC has kids. :nauseated_face:

As an ace and a grey-aro it really takes me out of my character completely. I can think of four official games off the top of my head guilty of that to some degree.

It’s also a bit annoying when I’m told how I feel about a character in general honestly.

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No I not saying that I am saying how it matter will gender relationship. And also you’re putting everything into a small box you can have a real setting and not have to be this horrible grimdark thing. As many examples where I could think even in the most patriarchal society women gain power. What part of another Power structure that can still exert influence if not massively so. From the creeks and Chickasaw of South Western tribes and their influence in the Longhouse and diplomatic relations. To a powerful Widow in the late Middle Ages. Or Mother Superior of a massively influential convent. I love a woman that manages the estate of a powerful Lord because her husband’s constantly way of being the de facto Lord of that lands. Sisters running their own Homestead on the Oklahoma Frontier and starting their own business etc. You guys ignore these stories for the sake of power fantasy I want something genuine.

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Right, you’re saying that’s a negative, as someone subject to have low levels of power and wealth ownership in society, I’m saying it’s a positive. I’m not looking for more representation of that reality in my games. Gender is 1000% a check box. And should be. So there’s no miscommunication, there’s just disagreement.

People vote with their dollars, so if more non-power fantasy games sold well, we’d produce more of them.

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Counterpoint: in Dragon Age Origins. If you play a male city elf you get knocked out and left behind. If you play a female elf you get knocked out and taken for unsavory reasons. Which makes it that much more satisfying when you get a sword and turn the evil humans into ground beef imo. I feel if you make a game where women/other races are disrespected you should be able to rise higher and kick more ass and gain more respect than a white male hetero hero. Like if you’re oppressed and save the world it Should get you a parade and upend that societies norms. Making the world better for future generations. If you play a vanilla white straight guy you get a pat on the back for doing what people expect of you that’d be fun to read.

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I don’t want to read story were women are forced to marry guys twenty years older and have kids they dont want while their husbands hve the power to beat them to death. I don’t have to se it as fantasy as i could see them in the street’s. All you can see is women being mistreated in news etc. Same for gays or umbrella.
It doesn’t have to be a power fantasy for instance @Samuel_H_Young last book is not a power fantasy, and he made agreat point of positive equality.

You could make a story of a doctor or a musician and being gender positive… But that doesn’t sell most gamers

So Cog posture is important. I am sick of games Forced marriage BE HIS SLAVE and all that crap of not choice visual slavery targeting to teens

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You must have been to a LOT of places before Cog cause the closest thing I’ve seen to forced marriage and kids is that fantasy gender locked male game forcing you to have a wife and kid. Glad you found us :slight_smile:

There’s tons of rpgs out there where you’ll get the
‘oh look at these two male and female childhood friends that treat and think of each other like almost-sibling, look how they hooked up realizing they’re in love’ trope. e-ve-ry time.
Especially grating if one of them is the char you are playing. Like, hello, don’t gimme the option to flirt with these other chars if you already decided i’ll be ending up with this char Dx

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I like erotica literature. But if you serch visual novels in Google app. 90% are my forced weeding … Forged romance… And text are Yourfather has a debt of a million o dollars so he forced you her only daughter to be a sexual scot to millionaires.
Pegi +12 Choice of romnce real games all i am talking about they are in app store

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Doesn’t sound like a fun time I hope you find more games you can enjoy erotic and not :slight_smile:

Honestly so am I thw privilege of my skin and gender truly comes in the play what I have the social economic capital to match it. The only difference is a threshold is lower. That’s because sadly there’s institutional barriers that something we all work on fixing.

It doesn’t have to be for example divided we fall is a great game different set roles. I want more game like that! Where have define characters make realistic in thhe framework of the story.

I would love more story like that.

Where does games I haven’t play outside of CK2.
You can even play that on it head look at the sultanate of women Or Irene of Athens.

95% visual novels. 90% date sims … and don’t enter in manga. I like Crusaders killngs at least is realistic and let be a woman doing rhe same. But as woman i barely have market of products that doesn’t treat me like meat and based stereotypes i don’t have anything to do with.

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That is sad state. I personally love Divide We fall base on your country civil war. So want dating sims that carter to your needs so get you!

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I am in fact writing a spicy game with date sims and erotica elements. And I have much fun writing it. I decided if they won’t make one I will make it myself.
It is not a power fantasy as you aren’t a choosen one. It is low fantasy and you can get evicted so maybe you will liked

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Well then. I’m looking forward to this

Yes please! And please tell me more!