Hello Greekwinter l wanted to ask if you will make a poly with mc x Bly x Tiva or mc x dena x tiva in the 3 book, because in book 2 tiva says that she can talk this out with bly/dena and a werewolve is not necessarily subjected to only one partner so can it happen? If l did some grammar mistakes please forgive, me english is not my first language.
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i could get the message to him if would like
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Yes please do 
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Is their a way to save Warden John Washburn a third time when Somma try’s to use him to prevent the pack from going feral? If so can you please tell me how to achieve this?
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Yes, you need either Diplomacy or Academics at 70 or above.
On a different note, I wish we could have chosen to stay behind when Sonoma raids the HSM and be forced to deal with the riot instead. Have to protect Dena, Kotori or the Elders, maybe find more evidence that Maker is poisoning everyone.
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Thank you so much, what choice do I have to make to keep him alive? Sorry, I’ve restarted multiple times to try and keep him alive
I need help people.
How do you sleep with Sonoma??? I tried going to her cabin after helping maker. Then said I wanted to know her personally. Then went with the strength of will is sexy (or something like that) option. But she just calls me a pup and says she will try to forget that. Do you need a specific relationship with sonomas rebels? I had it over 50 so I dont think that was the problem?
(And lets ignore the fact that she called pup to a guy who is both smarter and a better leader than her😁)
But honestly, I don’t really know how to succeed so if you could help I would appreciate it.
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To be clear, your relationship with the Sonoma Rebels is seperate from your relationship with the individual. However, your relationship with Sonoma is invisible, but it is shown in the code with its own unique name. You need at least 40 relationship with Sonoma AND you can’t take away the canister from Sonoma if you are with William to get the achievement.
If you want her to like her you, you’re gonna have to commit some war crimes against the humans.
Hope this helps.
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It helped a LOT. Thank you.
And well. As a wise man once said:
Even if my white fur becomes red with the blood of inocents, It’s worth it for this noble cause!
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Ok so: First of all: it worked!
Second: Is there any ending in which you do not end up either traped by rivera or maker, while keeping soboma alive?
If I expose maker, sonoma gets herself killed, and we get arrested. If I expose rivera, I get arrested by her guards. I’m guessing that if you give both maker and sonoma to rivera you’re free, but… sonoma is taken away. How the hell can you stay free, and keep sonoma with you???
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I know that there is an achievement called Silver Tongue 2 where you can get what I believe to be the best ending.
To get it, I believe that
- You must convince Sonoma not to kill Warden Washburn.
- When picking whether to hand over Sonoma, betray Maker, or go against Rivera, choose to go against Rivera.
- When you’re about to throw the canister at Rivera, pick the choice “I threaten Rivera with transformation in front of her soldiers if she doesn’t end the attack right now.”
I don’t know what stats you need, but my MC had his Diplomacy, Academics and Leadership above 70 or 75, and that worked.
You will probably need high Diplomacy and maybe some high Academics.
Also don’t forget about the minefield. I believe that you also need to pass that.
When can I be the most intimidating?
Just replaying to ask if you got the Silver Tongue 2 achievement along side what I believe to be the best ending.
First and foremost, I’d like to congratulate and thank the author for bringing that masterpiece to life because I haven’t enjoy reading that much before. Werewolves: Haven Rising was my very first multi-choices interactive story ever, and I am now a huge fan of that kind of reading/game.
Throughout the first and second books, I have seen myself being totally transported and heatedly involved in the story. That being said, after reading all the comments above, I’d like to share my opinions regarding the things I enjoyed and the one I wished to see more of in the third book in order maybe to give some ideas to you, Jeffrey.
What I enjoyed in your story/game:
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The story! That’s obviously the main positive aspect because that’s just so interesting and well written. Every time I start over the game, I feel myself longing for the next pages, the next cliffhanger, the next twist and turns. The story is marvelously thrilling, and I just ask for more now that I have tasted it. What’s more, I think the possible answers and their implications are well thought and well carried throughout the story. I really feel like my choices matter and greatly impact the course of the story and my relationships with the other characters. I have also noticed that you spent more time describing the characters’ psychology than the decor and even if I usually love a solid description of places to get a more accurate idea of what the surroundings look like, here, the few you gave was enough. To me, actions and characters development were what stood out.
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One thing I enjoy also was the different paths we can take even if we seem to favor one in particular, the others choices can still be picked. For instance, if we seem to be more pacifistic than feral, we still can respond to a problem using killing people, etc. That’s good to be able to change our response to certain issues, regardless of our main tendency.
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Now, another aspect I loved about your story was the relationships you can develop with characters you can romance. I am personally a sucker for love and anything related to romantic relationships. To me, it gives more depth to the story and make me feel even more committed to the story because I am emotionally involved with someone in the story. I am a young adult and I enjoy reading about adult themes, not sugar-coated and censored sex scenes and dialogues. I feel like the more I read about love in a story the better, even more so when the story is relatively turned around survival, war and killings. We need that positive, sweet touch. That’s also why your stories are the best compared to the others you can read on the Choice of Games app. I love the intimate scenes and the pillar-talks.
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Furthermore, something I found absolutely fantastic is the fact that each RO has its own personality that is even carried out during the intimate situations and dialogues. It is not simply a copy/paste situations in which you changed the name of the RO, but we clearly experience a unique romantic relation with its own dialogues and couple struggles (if there is any) making the replay of the game funny and interesting. Well done!
What I wished to see more of:
- Well, I will be straightforward: more uncensored explicit sexual situations and behaviors from my character and my love interest(s)!
Seriously, book 2 was better than book 1 regarding that particular aspect and I really hope to see more of romantic and sexual situations and dialogues too in the 3rd book!
Like come on, we are all adults here, and you still offer the possibility to pass those explicit situations, so I don’t think that would be a problem.
But please, understand that I am not talking about crude porn but more sensual, animalistic needs to be fulfilled. Don’t forget, our playable character and the RO are all werewolves. So, even if they are part human, I expect them to act more untamed regarding the sexual aspect of their relationships.
My favorite RO is Jolon and by far. I just love his personality and the fact that he is hard to get but once he gave you his trust, he is all-in. That’s what won me over.
Personally, I felt frustrated in book 2 because I miss spending time alone with my significant other. I mean, I wish we could have the option to choose where to spend the night, knowing that Jolon has his own bungalow, for instance. I wish I could spend more quality time with him, especially knowing that he’s in love with me, and I am with him too. I think it would be interesting to be able to built different types of love with our RO(s). Maybe something like the more time we spent together, the more the love of our partner(s) shows in dialogues and in action? Maybe add a relationship barometer, with the other characters acknowledging the different steps of a romantic relationship?
Not only that, but I remember after interrogating the HSM girl Inferi captured from the Nail assault, I could join Jolon on the hill near a tree to talk to him about how it went. I was upset that Jolon doesn’t even touch me (hold hand, hug, kiss, tenderness overall) and just left me there all by myself without asking me if I wanted to join him to the celebration party in camp. I know it was justified as “I prefer staying here a little longer because I don’t feel like going right now” but I wish there would be more interactions between my character and my RO(s) that shows that he cares a lot for me and I care for him too. Also, I wish I could choose the way I kiss him, like a more tender, tactile response towards my RO. Same thing for the RO. Making sure that he/she/them act either softly, passionately, roughly, etc. Overall, I am hoping for more romantic interaction with my RO(s).
- Now, another type of interaction/ dialogue that I think was missing in the two first books is the comments said by another character to you about your RO.
For instance, at the beginning of book 2, no one talked to me about Jolon (my RO) before I was sent to the Nail and Bly told me that he was working on a special mission for Sonoma. I wish he was the one telling me about it at the very beginning of book 2 when I arrived in the camp after being rescued alongside him. I mean, he’s my boyfriend and I expect him to go check on me before I was sent to the Nail. Even, I wish Bly told me how much Jolon misses me or how much he is talking about me, maybe even making fun of both Jolon and I for being so lovey-dovey about each other. I feel like we need more dialogues acknowledging my character and my RO(s) from the other characters.
So yes, I know that I am asking about details, more in depth contents, but I can tell you that it would add so much to the story. It will give credibility to our romantic relations within the game.
At the end, if I end up fleeing with the elders and settle in the paper factory, I wish when Jolon acknowledge his need to have sex with me despite the place we were and the lack of privacy, that we could at least touch each other discreetly, cuddle more than just a hug and a kiss you know. Being more kinky, mischievous. I know, I am a naughty girl ;p
Finally, my last comment would be directing towards Maker. Please, don’t tell me she’s a vampire that needs drinking blood to survive! I have already bought World of Darkness based stories about vampires and personally, I prefer that Werewolves stay focused on werewolves and humans.
I personally hope that Maker is just a human using werewolves’ abilities to enhance her own body, making her a superhuman of sorts.
In my opinion, here are the paths we can guess from the first two books:
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Werewolves supremacists claiming that werewolves are superior to humans and that despite our inferior number, we should fight back every human-being for what they did to us. (Sonoma)
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Human supremacists who are frightened by our specie and our abilities and wish to eradicate us, to “cure” us. (Colonel Williams - HSM)
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Humans who are envious of our abilities and aim to become more than human. They experiment on humans using werewolf blood to gain more dexterity, agility, strength, fast healing, better metabolism. (Maker)
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Scared and ashamed werewolves who just want to live in peace and are ready to hide amongst humans to live a “normal” life.
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Proud and pacifist werewolves who don’t want to hide who they are, but want to find their place in the world with or apart from the human populace. They just want to be acknowledged as equal to humans and get the same rights.
Oh, and that being said, I don’t think that transforming every human in a werewolf would be the proper solution. I think being a wizard, werewolf, fairy, vampire or whatever except a mere human should remain marginal and exceptional. That’s what makes it so great about the supernatural world. We want to be part of that private and exclusive club!
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Hello! Super late and everything, but I was wondering if its possible to join Williams for real even if you didn’t leave with him early in book 1. My MC, Dyanni, escaped with Williams from Rivera, and I’m not too far into book 2 yet, but from what I’ve read on the forum, I don’t think she’s gonna like Sonoma and she already distrusts Rivera since she sent her down to Williams. There have been some stuff here saying you can be forcibly recruited with an ending, but I’m wondering if we can change our mind at some point and decide Williams has a point. Dyani doesn’t want anybody to get hurt, and if no longer being a werwolf will stop the fighting she’s kinda leaning towards it. It may actually be in the book and I haven’t gotten that far yet, but it’s been a bugging me enough that I needed to ask 
Welp, I finally finished it and I didn’t get the “We Shall Save You” HSM ending I was hoping I’d get since I for some reason really want the angst, but I joined the elders and its a nice ending! But now my poor Dyani sees just now monstrous werewolves are and I’m kinda hoping for a “join dad, I don’t wanna be this anymore” route in book 3. Probably only me tho 
So apparently I can’t have more then 2 consecutive replies so Imma have to edit it here:
This game has some SERIOUS consistency problems to the point where it’s hard to read at times. I love the plot, characters, ect, but when my ending from the first book is basically pushed aside and I’m given “Sonoma told you, you’re apart of the rebellion, you’re doing this for Sonoma/Rivera” from the get go with only very tiny tiny changes to certain dialog when it should be in other places as well is immersion breaking and takes me outta the story. I really really hope to see this get fixed going forwards. I get that it’s like one person making this, but indepth beta testing could seriously help with finding these problems and I wanna see this story shine for what it is 
my main endings are “Flee with Williams” and “Join Williams” and I definitely have noticed more problems with the “Join Williams” continuation because even though you’re “with the rebellion” you aren’t and all this “support” for it is basically saying my choice to try and “cure” werewolves isn’t a valid route.
Sorry for all the rambling and stuff, but I couldn’t not complain about it when there is so much potential to these games.
better ask him that on twitter
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Hey folks, author here. Apologies to all who have been waiting for a response. I’ve been insanely busy between my regular job and finishing up my new CoG game Parliament of Knives (plus some pressing personal items) I’ll try to answer as much as I can.
I’m really excited that I was able to get you into the genre! There’s so many great stories here! 
That was what I was going for! I mean, I thought my descriptions of the city were decent, but they were sparse. My thing about interactive fiction is to set up the framework and allow my readers to imagine things the way they want them.
That’s why my character descriptions are purposefully sparse. It’s also one of my biggest hurdles with my new game Vampire the Masquerade: Parliament of Knives: I had to design character portraits for the first time, and I realized that I’d have to actually define things like race and specific look. That was very hard for me because I like players being able to imagine them how they want to.
I worked very, very hard on that, so it’s good to hear it’s being noticed! The very last thing I wanted was for the ROs to be copy/pastes. They’re all very different from each other by design and all have their own unique scenes. Glad you liked the uncensored sexual scenes as well. I wasn’t sure about them at first, but my alpha test audience loved them to bits, so I decided to lean into it in book 2.
I’ll probably keep them on the same level as book 2. If I go any more explicit I’ll have to move the game over to the Heart’s Choice label, lol.
Jolon is my best-boy as well. I absolutely fell in love with him as I wrote him.
It’s difficult, honestly. I try to add as much as I can, but in the end there’s only so many hours in the day. Adding thousands of words of conditional dialogue and lines throughout the game would make it take months longer and while we’re on somewhat loose deadlines here, we still have expectations to meet. I think that if I was able to tweak these games to the point where I was completely happy with all the options, it would never be released! I’ll do my best, you have that promise!
Answering this completely would be a spoiler, but I will say that she does not need to drink blood to survive. There are… psychological issues at play. I’ve said too much!
I think I mentioned this a few times above, but the joining Williams ending from book 1 was really supposed to be a secret easter egg. Less than 1% of players got it and the major problem with it is unfortunately that it basically creates the need for me to write two completely different stories.
To be completely candid, including it at all was an amateur mistake I made on my first CoG and I just had to live with it in book 2. I tried very hard to include that path and motivation in book 2, but it’s hard, because the player HAS to go to the Nail and they HAVE to be in Sonoma’s camp, because otherwise I’d need to spend another half a year writing an alternate story line. So I did my best.
Honestly, beta testing barely brought this up, and we tested for over a month with like 20 people. As mentioned above, the issue is that the actually joining Williams ending is SO rare that it barely got tested. I honestly did my best to include it in good faith, and will continue to do so in book 3, but the facts of the matter are that I unfortunately don’t have infinite time. I’d love to give you a better answer, but that’s the truth of it.
I really do appreciate the criticism, though. It’s helping me grow as an author and designer. We all stumble sometimes, but as long as we learn from it, we keep growing!
Carefully. 
@Mightylord This should be addressed in book 3, yes.
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The Nail and Sonoma’s camp are both 100% valid plot points for this story, and you did set them up for the Williams route well. He wants you to be his eyes and ears, which would make sense, you’re the only one who can. It woulda made sense for Sonoma to approach you the same way she did when you’re sent there, going “hey we rebelling, come help” which was missing in this route. My main problems were the overall contradictions of interest with it going “Sonoma and you went over this” when in fact it was Williams and you or the clear support for the rebellion. It woulda been nice to actually be Williams eyes and ears, maybe do some spying, sabotage, get others feelings on being “cured”. It never has to be a completely different story when you’re narrative requires certain locations, but instead adding wholey unique experiences can, and often does, make the difference.
If this was the case, and given the many different routes you’ve now made available for 3, I’d suggest having certain people focus on certain routes instead of the thing as a whole to make sure everything gets covered. Some on the Forced Recruitment route, some on the Maker, some on the Captured, some on Williams, ect for however many different routes you plan to create to make sure everything is covered.
All this being said, I hate to focus on the negative. Your writing is good and the story itself is extremely enjoyable. I appreciate you’re trying your best to work with an ending you never intended actually do anything with, and while its a bit disappointing since I’m apparently in the strange 1% who always seem to get his offer if I stick around, I understand it isn’t a route you were intending to do much with. I’m looking forward to book 3 and can’t wait to see how you wrap everything up. 
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I didnt even know you could sleep with Sonoma, but then again i was pretty much against her the whole time.
Excited to see how the mc/bly/tiva is gonna be written
Maybe we will be able to join Augury and Inferi with our RO similiar to that scene in those woods 
That scene about how Inferni is packing was such a tease 
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