For WtA, I believe it is much better to use the stat in digits than in dots, for it will shows the conviction in percents and the changes will be shown clearer.
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I haven’t had a ‘laugh’ choice. They seemed serious to me, anyway. So far all caring, trying to find answers and moving in wilderness. Being intimidating to storm, as only option I had worth capable of succeeding for that scene.
It kinda shows in the sentences.
I didn’t see anything remotely joke or chuckle yet.
The choices I made looked serious and concerned. I have Storyteller on, but doesn’t register conviction. I saw laughter option when I was in Chapter 5 of demo.
I listed what I had up to 5, those were easy to know. Just uncertain what gave me dignity then took it away, hoofing it in wild? That seems to be the culprit.
Yep, no idea. Sentence doesn’t look like a joke, maybe it is? I can’t tell then. Except when it stated joke/laugh in the line.
Most of the joke choices are rather towards dark humor hence maybe why you don’t see it that much.
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Clay shouldnt perish into inogimity was what gave me the Dignity. Now to keep repeating my choices to see what erased the Dignity. My bet is running in the wild. Will update when find out, but very certain that was it.
Nope. It was choosing on going with a floral dress that is easy to take off and change to wolf easily, without shredding and wasting money on clothes in future. Being practical drops Dignity.
Dignity = cant be practical
Laughter = can be practical, at same time never goes to 1 itself in practical options.
Edit to add to this, the others are direct opposition and shifts, this one ‘supposed’ to be, but isn’t? Because I do lots of practical, no laughter, but dignified choices. I will never increase this unless I purposefully do so.
Guess that is why I stay at 0 on both then.
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Hey folks, I’ve been hunting through this thread without much luck.
What’s the criteria for getting Crow’s gift? I have what it says in the in-game description, I’m part of the ghost council, but it just won’t let me unlock it.
Help welcome 
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Simple enough your auspice has to be a ragabash otherwise the crow would refuse to teach you
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To earn Crow’s gift, first you need to be either a Ragabash or join Ghost Council, second you need 6 Honorable Chiminage and high Humans Must Understand.
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Currently there is no description for Crow gift so it doesn’t show in the stat page but the gift does work in case someone want to know. I already emailed the author about this problem.
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I usually pick all the shitty, irreverent options. I chose, ‘Is anyone else hungry? I’m buying as long as it isn’t horse’, when Clay was dying after eating the infected Bane. Then I asked the Stormcat if it was actually a cat or a metaphor for a cat when she appeared. I admired Elton’s shadowy cloak after he kills the Bane for us and proudly showed him my fanny pack. When I saw Katherine’s portrait, I asked, ‘Who’s the babe?’ When Elton tries to give us a phone, I said, ‘Please tell me this isn’t your dead wife’s phone.’ When Goultier asks us if we’re Elton’s cute friend, I tell him I’m Elton’s fiancee and we’re looking for a new ‘honeymoon hovel’.
When asking Roscoe about the Hog Throne, I asked whether it was a throne for hogs or a throne made of hogs. When the Cult of Fenris tells us off for encroaching on their land, I told them that I didn’t see them on a throne, so better back off, pig. When Nomi finds us and identifies us as the people who committed all those crimes in Holyoke, I had my PC say that that was someone else and they’re probably not even preparing to commit more crimes tonight. When rescuing Melodie, I pick the ‘We are definitely going to be Midsommared/Dunwich Horrored’ options. When encountering Katherine’s ghost, I always tell her to give me money when she asks me if I’m Terry and if I have her molly.
I feel like all these options raise courage through laughter.
Giving serious answers seems to raise dignity, imo. Asking Elton if Katherine’s an ancestor instead of calling her a babe. Telling Katherine’s ghost, ‘Im not Terry, sorry’ when she tries to buy Molly from us. When we encounter Clay’s ghost, i told him how Melodie the Silver Fang must have caught his spirit instead of making fun of him when he was confused as to how he landed there. I have found that so long as I avoid the smartmouth answers, my dignity automatically rises.
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Who’s Molly?
It’s a reference to the Katherine conversation. You can reply ‘Who’s Molly?’ when Katherine asks you for one.
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You left out one of my favorites: when you’re getting Midsommared and Elton is surprised the ritual is starting like 3 days before it should, you can say something like “I bet they didn’t switch to the Gregorian calendar. It sounds like the sort of thing pagans would do.” 
I know this decreases dignity/increases laughter because I happened to check my stats afterwards and noticed the change.
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To those whose convictions are not aligning to their desired tribe and thus are not accepted by them, Elton gave a hint on what you can do. You can deliberately push toward a certain conviction initally, and after being accepted by the tribe, push that conviction to the opposite, most likely your desired conviction.
Horus won’t let you join the Silver Fang because you are a litany hater and a jokester? Well, you can intially choose responses that would correspond to a litany supporter. After Horus accepts you, be the litany hater that you always wanted to be. Essentially, you are tricking the spirits to your benefit. This applies to gifts too.
Elton said Katherine did something like this once where she faked believing in a religion to get the gift of a spirit that aligns to that religion, only for her to stop praying after getting that gift.
This way, you can get the max limit of 10 or 11 gifts (joining Children of Gaia adds composure) if you’re really feeling like it.
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Hahaha! That’s my favourite one too! I initially had my highly intelligent PC say that, thinking it would be a perfectly reasonable thing for her to say, only to realise Elton was not too happy at being poked fun at. (I do love poking fun at him though; he’s too serious otherwise.) I also liked when we got to proudly proclaim that at last, we had found the outdoor bread oven graveyard!
While this applies excellently for gifts, it doesn’t apply as well for all the tribes. Vishap kept getting mad at my PC every time she tried to go for the ‘I just want to survive’ trait and my PC kept having to meditate to appease her God. It was very annoying because certain gifts (like Trout) got closed off for me as I simply couldn’t build my survival stat. I also kept trying to raise the value of rage to get some gift but the Unicorn kept punishing me and brought me back to the middle point. Does the Silver Fang God allow you to be a Litany Hater to the three dot extent?
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You can maximize certain stats first before joining the tribe so you won’t get punished with their ban that limits adding points to that stat. As for the Silver Fang, his only ban is that you need to gain Honor in every mission or else you’ll lose Honor.
The Ghost Council lets you get the Trout gift, right? ̶I̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶V̶i̶s̶h̶a̶p̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶p̶u̶n̶i̶s̶h̶e̶s̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶m̶a̶j̶o̶r̶ ̶d̶e̶c̶i̶s̶i̶o̶n̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶s̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶a̶c̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶p̶r̶i̶o̶r̶i̶t̶i̶z̶e̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶v̶i̶v̶a̶l̶ ̶o̶r̶ ̶b̶e̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶o̶w̶a̶r̶d̶.̶ ̶Y̶o̶u̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶t̶i̶l̶l̶ ̶i̶n̶c̶r̶e̶a̶s̶e̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶r̶ ̶’̶I̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶s̶u̶r̶v̶i̶v̶e̶’̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶v̶i̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶i̶n̶ ̶c̶o̶n̶v̶e̶r̶s̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶s̶.̶
Edit. You can gain the Trout gift while having high ‘I want to survive’ conviction and still join the Ghost Council by being a litany hater. If you are a litany lover, you can simply increase your litany conviction after joining the Ghost Council. If you want to retain high ‘I want to survive’ conviction and still join the Ghost Council without accruing penance, then just don’t pick choices that increase or decrease that conviction. You can have 80%+ ‘I want to survive’ conviction before joining the Ghost Council.
I like playing theurge the most, and it so happen that my most desired tribes, Glass Walker and Ghost Nation, also add a point to intelligence upon joining. It’s one of the main stats as a theurge and it is beneficial to the bike job. I also make sure that my intelligence stat is at 4 upon joining those tribes so it’s a free 10 xp upgrade. I’m considering making a meta Glass Walker theurge guide that maximizes xp and gifts, but I feel like the docs is going to be too long.
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My Composure is 1. But everything said is interesting thought.
In demo through Chapter 5, I had no gifts anywhere yet. Because I wanted to see all the available gifts first, and then start gaining. Then I tend to miss out on training time if leave area to check all gifts.
Edit to add, I didn’t finish due to waiting to see about the other tribe not out yet. Once I finish this the first time, most likely won’t do a second. But what I listed and what was told, Children are the best for me. Others were haphazardly, flippant on accepting, and not interested in half-committing clans.
The max gifts you can have is based on your resolve+composure.
I like that Ghost Council is about being secret keepers and using taboo spirits against their enemies. Glass Walkers is cool too because they are the most pro humans and use technology to their advantage. Both of them are litany haters too, so it’s easy for me to join.
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Doesn’t work that way with Tribes, you gain penance when you keep doing thing against the way of your tribe and will lose Glory, Honor or Wisdom depend on how many time you do it, if you keep chosing the opposite of your tribe conviction, eventually you will ran out of chiminage.
What Elton said was Katherine questioning if a Garou can distort their nature to gain gifts but it isn’t a conventional way, same with Katherine ability to bind spirit against their will. Kat’s teacher said no, Black Tarns look at you like you are an idiot when you ask and probably the same for most others Garou.
Kat is special because she was an occultist before she become a Garou so she apply her occult knowlegde to Garou magic and it work, this put many Broad Brook Garou in shock and probably many more if word got out, it was seen as almost blasphemous, it is against the Litany and everything the Garou known of spirit and their gifts.
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