Wayhaven Book 4 Discussion Thread

I need this pathetic sack of garbage to give me some actual emotions and/or cathartic scenes, outside of the telenovela levels of “oomfie we can’t be together!! I’m doing this for you oomfie!”, but the spark of oh I had upon reading this immediately died, because at this point having expectations is a recipe for disaster (at least when it comes to M and A.)

This is straight up silly lmao :sob: like it’s normal for wips to stop at a certain point, but literally nothing happened so far. How are you supposed to sell me this if you’re stopping before any sort of sauce (and the tumblr updates are much of the same, going “wow exciting stuff is happening! doesn’t elaborate”) Plus like, releases are so far in-between, if we start gatekeeping demos then kudos to those who can go on off of nothingburgers.
Honestly your husband is smarter than us, idk why we do this to ourselves at this point :sob: but again, car crash dilemma.

This all sounds very mean, and I am sorry, but it’s frustrating to see something you used to have fun with crash and burn for the silliest, most avoidable reasons.

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Yeah, I was too pissed off to enjoy A’s pain. Maybe Li-sar rubbing A’s face in the fact that they walked away from the MC, leaving them open to Li-sar’s charms will be more enjoyable. I would enjoy seeing A miserable as hell.

Already on it, lol. I saw the huge potential in this one as soon as the big bad came into the picture, and I am 100% it will just create more ridiculous angst instead of the angst I’m craving, and the MC will be useless, as per usual, with A and M being their normal asshole and stupid selves, respectively. The whole setup could be soooo much fun, as well as emotionally charged in an interesting way, instead of flutter, lip-biting, UwUness. Anyway, once I get something other than random scenes, which is what I’ve already got, I’ll let you know.

I did, too. Then, I joined some other Patreons and realized how little I was getting for my money. Other authors actually share spoilers, or give you huge chunks of code they’re working on to read. Or even part of the game or scenes. Not one lonely out-of-context line that tells you nothing of any value.

Maybe. I would think that would be a great thing to give us, though, you know? Something to trigger a bunch of theories over what it could possibly mean, where things are going, and if the LIs will actually be bothered by all of it. Hell, ending the demo with M being seriously shaken over the thought of losing MC to Li-sar would get me HYPED! I just think it’d be more beneficial to give people something juicy, instead of some bland or depressing cliffhanger to the demo.

For explaining the red dome, my guess is that the Agency won’t explain it at all. They’ll either use a veil to hide it like supeernaturals use to hide their true appearance or they’ll find some mind-controlling supes to do mass mind control on the whole town. Of course, if that happens, it just shows how fucking worthless the Agency is that they can do that to a town but can’t handle a bunch of human mooks in the form of Trappers.

Assuming the dome stays up for a while, the ball may either be used as a distraction from that or because Li-sar or MC cause other fires and they’re trying to raise money for the fire department (a fireman’s ball makes sense in this town–wasn’t it said the fire department is volunteers?). That said, I’m not counting on the dome staying up. Plots tend not to make a lot of sense in Wayhaven, and problems are only there to create specific scenes. If it’s necessary to keep the MC trapped, the dome will stay up. If they just need to be trapped long enough to get a specific scene, that thing will be down before you can blink.

Personally, I’d leave it up for at least four or five chapters. Let the MC choose whether to embrace the power in an effort to control it and free the town or resort to depending on the Agency to take care of the problem somehow while rejecting the power as it slowly kills them.

It’d be cool if the MC could choose to go to Li-sar and make a deal–don’t agree to a ‘union’ but basically play them and act like you want to know them better, but in return, you want to be able to control the power enough so it doesn’t kill you. Then, unbeknownst to you, Li-sar teaching you or helping you expel your power so it doesn’t kill you gives them an “in” to your brain and they can affect your emotions and thoughts to some extent (maybe when they are touching you to teach you and their power is flowing into you–I like the imagery).

Anyway, after a while of this thing with Li-sar, MC does learn enough and basically absorbs the power that keeps the dome in place. Only it almost kills them and Li-sar is the only one who can “save” them (which would be freaking glorious to have the LI there to see that, with a very groggy MC coming to and having to lean on Li-sar instead of them, and when the LI tries to go toward them, they can’t because Li-sar is keeping them back with solar power as they lift the MC and walk off into the darkness with them. If MC chooses to have the Agency handle things, maybe the dome doesn’t come down yet and MC just keeps getting worse until someone has to take MC to Li-sar to help them.

Eh, I need to stop. I have all kinds of ideas for this plot. I love the setup.

Sadly, this is true.

This infuriates me. On Patreon, you get a one-line “spoiler” once a week along the lines of “A was wearing a red shirt! Whatever does it mean??”. Like, who the fuck cares? Give me something to work with! (had to correct it from M to A because we almost never get anything about romanced M on Patreon)

I agree my husband is smarter than us. He laughs at my completionist tendencies, and laughs harder at the fact I pay twenty bucks a month for the tumblr in hopes that, one day, I may actually get something good other than a 500 word M scene once or twice a year that shows nothing more than what we get in the game.

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Man, if something like this happened, I’d be over the moon. My interest has dwindled after Book 3, just because it was so meh for me, but something like that, the villain directly challenging the LIs to their face would be incredible, across all routes. I’m an N-mancer cuz I figured A is best for when all the books are out, if I stick around. While I do like it, the romance feels like its missing… something.

I don’t know what. Maybe its like what you wrote, that challenge, that tension of not losing MC to death/harm but by the arms of a villain. I assume the branching would be a little tedious but… ngl, if I could flirt with the baddie within the routes, I’d be happy. Is that bad? That sounds bad :joy:

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This post says absolutely nothing, except that A possibly stepped on a Lego or something.

Oh well. I’m not particularly bothered anyway, because I discovered Fallen Hero (:smiling_face_with_three_hearts:) and currently am busy emulating different flavours of M type of protagonist in there.

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Fallen Hero is on my list of favorites. Very small number on favored list.

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Welcome to the dark side we have cookies and good heart breaking stories.

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For me, it’s that everything feels so one-sided in A and M’s romances. There’s a huge power imbalance, with the LIs allowed to be “cool” while the MC comes off as desperate. She supposedly wants this to be a soulmate kind of love, and apparently intends to do fuck-all with the “magical connection” (her words on tumblr) between the MC and LI, but ffs, can’t the M and A be the one to do the chasing and giving for a change? They both give so many mixed signals it’s a wonder the MC isn’t in a psych ward.

On the one hand, the one-sidedness makes some sense. The MC is human and these vampires have been alive for a range of “a long time” to “a really freaking long time”. I mean, the MC is a blip on their radar. They’ve had pairs of shoes longer than they’ve known MC, and the MC will be dead in the blink of an eye. So why bother getting attached?

Of course, this really isn’t used as a reason the LIs behave the way they do. Instead, we have M, who rolled a 1 for INT and a 1 for WIS in the romance (while being incredibly smart and observant when you aren’t romancing them), and A, who suffers from permanent emotional constipation. You get “moments” where they both seem to pull their heads out of their asses only to have it retconned a chapter later. M tells A, at the end of b3, that they were afraid to ask if the MC was happy to have them (after all but saying outright that yeah, they’re in love with MC), but we immediately hop to mentally deficient M again when b4 rolls out (and hell, even after the last chapter of b3 when they take the shot in response to falling for a coworker). With A, they basically tell the MC they’ll never be together, then starts b4 acting like they’re together. It’s a constant teeter-totter with these two, and it’s annoying as hell.

They care if the MC is in mortal danger now. Great. Whatever. They care enough to make these incredible declarations in front of a bunch of villains, then forget it five minutes later. So having the MC in mortal danger again just to retread the same bullshit is definitely lacking something. Especially since we have already established it’s not enough to get M or A to decide they want to be with the MC, everything else be damned. Been there, done that, and the toy at the bottom of the box was already broken before we got it out of the wrapper.

So yeah, I wish we could flirt with the baddie within the routes, too. Or be brainewashed into being with the baddie. Something. It wouldn’t break the stalemate–A-mancers apparently don’t get any satisfaction until b5, which means M-mancers won’t get it until b6, if they ever get it–but at least it would be entertaining. Especially if the baddie rubs the LIs’ faces in it. I just want to see A and M suffer, really. It’d be a nice change from the MC suffering their hot and cold shtick.

:rofl:

FH is freaking AWESOME. Love the MC, and how you can really make them yours (no UwU, chuckling, and ignoring of stats there!). I also love the romances. My Sidestep is ending up in a poly with Ortega and Danny. Which is funny, because I thought Danny was boring at first, lol.

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Saw this ask and got excited:

I thought we were finally going to get sone new information on why Nate is X tier, but all we get is that it’s terrifying.

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Thinking about it, I worry that, despite there being seven books, that MC will never get a chance to shine or do anything cool. That all their moments, impressive and worth making waves among the humans and supernaturals and everyone else, will only be dependent on the LIs. Does that make sense?
As I’ve seen others mention, MC barely feels like a detective. I remember hoping beyond hope that what Murphy did would either change MC (make them something like a vampire-human hybrid or give abilties typical to vampires) or that it’d awaken unique abilties tied to MC having this oh-so-magical special blood. Even still, MC’s blood (to my memory, please correct me if I’m wrong!) feels like a lot of nothing. I dont know if this is because it, in the grand scheme, really is nothing, or if it’s another one of those “not until book x is this relevant”.
Either way, I’m irritated. Either way I’m starting to ask myself “Why is the MC here???” What is their purpose? To kinda be a detective? To kinda he a liason? A set piece needing to be rescued after sometimes sweeping someone off their feet via a kick?
I figure we won’t but man, I’d love it if we could keep these powers. Make them our own. Evolve into something different because of our blood. And good god, please, please, i am on my knees begging for N to go absolutely berserk.
Or any of the LIs but since I’m an N-mancer- especially him. What makes him so powerful? What makes enemies scared of him?

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To put it simply, MC’s Blood is just a MacGuffin. It does whatever it needs to for the plot.

At first, it’s just a power booster for supernaturals. Then “ooh, look! You can punch Sin!” cuz… idk, I can’t bs my way through it.

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Sins shield is mentally abled which is like a psy-shield in essence. Knowing Psionicists before 3rd edition D&D, wasnt as bad as a pill to swallow. You run out of points to keep shield up, your hurt like normal then. Same thing with Sin. Granted author probably hasn’t delved into AD&D psionic powers at all.

Its pretty easy using that source to reason MCs ability to nullify mind powers then. And everything in Wayhaven can be surmised within that source book power wise.

Maybe thats why I can give several scenes a pass myself.

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Sin? Things start getting wonky in B1 when you can punch not!Murphy and he feels it at a time he’s ragdolling the entirety of Unit Bravo.

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I do prefer that over not being able to punch anyone though.

Honestly, I completely forgot about that by now. It’s been ages.

Hence knowing the MC can nullify 2nd edition Psionics. Makes everything as less of a pill. Because psy vs psy would battle that way. A nullifier ignores all of it. Much more potent aspect than magic vs anti-magic battles. As properties still exist in anti magic like vampires strength. Unless it dived into psionic metaphysics or metabolic physics, which a psionic nullifier can ignore that strength.

Again, highly doubt author knows this.

Probably why I like Wayhaven as I read it from this aspect. Otherwise, yeah, nope.

Yep. And such a thing would drive drama forward which is not just good, but dare I say necessary thing for this type of interactive fiction. As it is now, it just characterizes MC as a bit of a freak with Sith fetish (Four hot vampires? Drake no. Darth Sidious? Drake yasss) and serves no other purpose, since Li-sar will do what story requires of them regardless of romance status.

It totally is, and MC is brilliantly unreliable protagonist, where you can track where they are unreliable, and why, and love every bit of their warped perspective. :melting_face: Romances are great too, being enjoyable by themselves and adding both to narrative and protagonist’s characterization. Danny surprised me, I normally don’t go after golden retriever types first, but his route flows from “Fuck yeah, let’s kick this guy while he’s down!” to “Welp we what, lovers now? Preposterous!” in very satisfying “Huh. This actually makes sense” way.

Alas, since I subbed to author’s Patreon and read additional stuff I feel like I am going against the Great Will of the Macrocosm whenever I chase anyone but Ortega. :worried:

My money is on him turning into something who’s X tier.

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You know, this would actually be cool. The problem is that, the way she wrote it, the shield was an illusion. If it’s psionic, it’s not an illusion. That shield sent M’s ass flying, in which case it had some kinetic charge to it. It didn’t just make M “think” they were being hurled. It actually booted them across the forest.

If she had wanted it to be psionic, she shouldn’t have gone with “illusion”. She should’ve gone with a telekinetic barrier that detonates when someone tries to penetrate it. That would’ve actually been a cool way to go about it, too, because the MC’s nullifying ability could’ve been explored. Does the MC have to touch the barrier to nullify it? If the MC is within in (like, say, on Sin’s back), would that mean it wouldn’t work so the vampires could pummel Sin? Could the MC nullify it if they were close enough? Did the “visible” part (to the vampires) of the barrier disappear when the MC broke through it? Or did they just sense it?

Instead of training with a stupid illusion toy, we could’ve had scenes with the vampires training with the MC on coordinated attacks. Making them learn to work more as a team, because the vampires can’t get through the barrier and the MC isn’t physically imposing enough to take Sin alone (supposedly). Bring in some more weapons to up the ante–show DMB to be basically worthless against Sin, and the sparky stick does nothing. Make the Agency’s weapons ineffective and we’re stuck with UB, with the MC, having to learn to fight together. After, of course, a couple of encounters that leave the MC bruised and battered.

That could’ve been fun. But @GrimReaperJr1232 is correct–the MC’s blood and whatever “ability” that comes with it is nothing but a MacGuffin. It does whatever is needed for the plot and, the rest of the time, it’s fucking worthless. Its main purpose seems to be driving the LI insane, while everyone else is unaffected, save for whatever villain of the week decides they want to grab the MC for their special (and basically worthless) blood. You’re a fucking walking energy drink. That’s it. Until the author decides to allow it to be slightly useful, before you’re back to being an energy drink.

Interesting thought for if the MC actually does nullify psionics… wouldn’t M’s crystal and mind block be formed from psionic powers? If the MC’s nullifcation abilities grew stronger, what if they someone destroyed the protection from the crystal and the memory block? Talk about angst…

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Yeah, M makes the pill bigger themself. I knew it was still a stretch even using it alone.

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I still enjoy the writing, but the pacing is really rough, and some of the character interactions feels rough/first draft type content… Rebecca going off on team vamp felt really awkward because I mean… Rebecca’s the one that paired my MC up with the traitor in the first place… if anything I would think her reaction would have been self guilt rather than exploding on my vamps!

I enjoy the persepective shifts, but we’re on the 4th book… our MC going through training and still not finding anything out about their special unique blood stuff even at this point feels like we’re riding on the back of a snail… my MC would have done anything for answers on that topic after book 1, even put myself at risk by letting the agency take samples so that I could figure stuff out!

I get every book needs a “bad guy” for conflict, but it feels really bad that the agency put one guy and my MC together for a super important ritual to contain a super powerful entity, and then the one licensed agent they send turns out to be bad… might have been a better decision to preserve the integrity of the agency by just having the ritual go wrong somehow, maybe just the presence of the MC and their blood was enough to draw the BG out, or maybe the BG had been harnessing power for decades of being trapped to turn the tables and break free? An entity that powerful would have warranted a full team to try to make sure the sealing magic was still locked down tight. Right now the scenario feels kinda cheesy and unrealistic. Missed opportunity to showcase the BG by having them win against a team of various Agency agents trying to stop them from escaping after breaking free even against the BG’s weakened state!

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I agree with all of this! I’m honestly so over Rebecca. I’m hoping this bad guy has an actual… presence? I guess? Like, to me, and maybe this is due to the benefit of it being the first book, but Murphy had something to him. I actually hoped he would come back, especially after tampering with MCs blood (I don’t know if there were additional scenes at any point, so please correct me if there are).

I want to feel like MC and everyone else are in deep shit. Even if I knew the outcome is still “yay we won”, I just want to feel like the villain is a real threat, I guess. Like. Do stuff. Be cool. Go crazy. Go all out, man.

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