@friendzone I don’t see it as glorifying anything. In fact, the impression I got was that the life of the MC was portrayed as extremely tragic. His sister was brutally murdered, he had his best friend murdered just as well and it is mentioned multiple times just how traumatic his life had been.
I haven’t encountered the rape option yet. Is that because I chose to be nice to Rosie Mallory every time?
As for all women characters being prostitutes, I suppose that’s just the result of the author concluding that a person of the MCs line of business would mostly interact with women in that line of business. Besides, it’s just ch. 1 - who knows which characters may be brought by further chapters.
@CJW It doesn’t matter if you recall it or not because it definitely exists and I find it constructive criticism to call out misogyny. Constructive criticism doesn’t have to be positive as you seem to think.
@rebelmaiden I agree that the main character has led an unfortunate life. I disagree with the rationalization that the only women they know have to be prostitute because they’re a thug. The rape scene is accessed by getting the VIP treatment and choosing, Corina?, there’s even an option to complain to management for her lack of cooperation and receive a reFund. As for judging it by only one chapter, that’s all that’s available, what else would I judge it by?
First of all, yes, Godfather, Sopranos and Goodfellas and Scarface and most of the crime movies are tragedies that ultimately show that crime doesn’t pay. Key word, ultimately. We are still at the beginning of this game, so chill the hell out.
Second of all, it seems to me that if you don’t want to be a rapist in this game you can, you know, choose a different option. That’s the beauty of CoGs.
Third of all, as Rebelmaiden said, every female character at this point is a hooker simply because at this point, your MC is not that up in the ladder to be able to socialize with anyone other than hookers.
And in the end, this is supposed to be a game not a movie, so enjoy it man.
I won’t reply to anything else because I guess I’m the strange one for these elements of the story to be poorly handled. @Caruzzo again, what can I judge it by except for what currently exists? Im not complaining because I’m worried about being a virtual rapist, I’m complaining because I don’t want to play a game that features virtual rape. What’s with this “oh it’s impossible for the MC to know a woman who isn’t a prostitute”? How does that make sense?
@friendzone Well, the only women they know don’t HAVE TO be prostitutes, sure. I’m sure there are/were gangsters who know women that aren’t prostitutes. This MC just isn’t one of them. Surely that is/was-at-that-time-period also a possible occurrence? You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but I wouldn’t call that misogyny.
I’ll have to check out the rape scene to say anything more about that.
Try taking Corina at the bathhouse. You do indeed have the option to “take what you paid for.”
And yes, friendzone, the PC will indeed have the option to be involved in some very nasty business, quite possibly including the procurement of women for whorehouses. This game is not entirely shying away from the evil involved in being a gangster; those choices are there and can be made. If that offends you, you’re probably not going to like the game.
Do you still complain to the management on the way out? "
That doesn’t sound like much of a “rape scene” to me. It is mentioned that Carina sobbed and asked you not to touch her and all. But, if you told her something among the lines of “Hey, I want my money’s worth”, she might have agreed to the whole thing and given up protesting. It is left up to the player to imagine what went on.
Sure, it’s still non-con. But it’s not like the author went to describe a gruesome rape scene for sick people to enjoy.
You do must judge it by what currently exists, but you still cannot judge whether a game glorifies violence or not by its first chapter. That would be like watching Scarface up until the “Push it to the Limit” scene where Tony is making all kinds of deals and looks pretty happy with being a drug lord and then turning off the movie because it glorifies violence. However we know that Scarface does show that being a drug lord sucks, but you have to watch the full movie to see it. Same thing here.
It also seems a little hypocritical to me to complain that rape is in the game, but then be completely fine with murder. This is not a rainbow world of kittens and rainbows. This is a gritty 20’s city full of crime and scoundrels, and rape is part of it. As I said, if you don’t like an option don’t use it because there might be someone who wants to use it and you can’t disable them from using it simply because you don’t like it.
@friendzone
I see which bit you mean now, and OK, to your credit I can see why it might come across as a “rape scene”, though I’d personally argue that - whilst it’s still unpleasant - it’s not, it’s a prostitution scene. It’s an ugly business, granted, but it isn’t rape. @Vendetta perhaps a rewording of that particular option wouldn’t go amiss?
I still have to disagree with the misogyny label though, I don’t think Flescheti’s (?) daughter in ACT II (no longer part of the demo) and was it Dina, Debra? The diner girl, I forget her name, she doesn’t seem like a prostitute either. She seems pretty strong willed actually (i.e. not weak and helpless), but you might not have met her depending on your choices.
@CJW I said I wouldn’t reply to this thread, but this response isn’t really about the game. Do you seriously think prostitutes can’t be raped? He describes her as “terrified” and “sobbing” and begs the MC not to tell her boss. How can you try to pass that off as “not rape”. Do you think because it’s a prostitute saying no it doesn’t count?
@CJW: I will say this (and the issue is relevant to the game): prostitution with an unwilling prostitute is rape. Carina is not free to leave the whorehouse, and while she may have gone in voluntarily, she doesn’t have the option to walk out with you unless you force the owner to back down.
As I said, this may not be the game for someone who doesn’t like the player having that kind of option, because it’s likely to get nastier down the road.
dont know if its relevent, but in the same spot of the game as that rape scene you got two other options, you can walk away and not be a rapist,or if you hold on to the bar instead of selling it,you can offer her an actual legit job as a waitress meaning doesn’t have to turn to prostitution to make ends meat,a big part of what i love about this game is that of what of this game i have played i always have the option to be the scum of the earth,but i havent really felt like i have been forced to be like that
(cant say that about other mafia games i have played,like godfather 2)
i havent played in awhile but i believe you go to the diner after the morgue scene and there you get offered a job to delivier booze,kill all the irish dudes after they ambush you and you will automaticily loot the pistols and some cash from the corpses,im not sure about a Russian though
Ah, I remember coming across that thread while browsing through old WIPs.
While I, personally, was not as bothered by this option with Carina(mostly because I never even picked it), obviously there are people who mind it. If there is no higher purpose for that option to be there, perhaps @Vendetta could remove it for the sake of those disturbed by it.
Consider it done (final release, anyway - it may be a while before I get around to updating the online demo).
We’ll just stick with extortion, blackmail, beatings, murder - and perhaps the odd bit of grisly torture, just for good measure - as typical examples of what one despicable human being is capable of doing to another, should they choose to.
Those aspects seem somehow less offensive to our tender sensibilities… but such is the twisted world in which we live.
Now that the whole problem with two lines of text has been resolved, does anyone else have an opinion on my last post?
