United We Stand - Political WIP

So has a party there been able to remain in power for decades? (forgive my ignorance of your politics)

For almost 16 years the workers party remained in power, their last president was impeached and the VP was from another party.
Their candidate for the next election still very popular and can win it, if he is not sent to jail before.

I assume the “moderate” New Order path keeps the monarchy under their preferred King Georg around too. As this will serve the same purpose that keeping a theoretically free, “fair” and open Democracy with the full range of minor opposition parties around would do for the moderate Solidarity path ending, where it turns into a sort-of democratic socialism/social democratic hybrid in the ANC style “democratic dictatorship”. Both of these outcomes, monarchy or democracy, will most likely give a huge boost to Moravia’s international legitimacy with the wider international community and relations with its (presumably) German, French and Swiss neighbours in particular.

Thanks, forgot about the Congress party, but yes that one also enjoyed its own period where it was politically unassailable and a final, though much more conservative, example of the “democratic dictatorship” would be Japan’s ruling LDP. Of course Moravia is neither an Island, like Japan or Cuba nor surrounded only by weaker and more backwards neighbours like South Africa, so not having any of those factors would indeed possibly help break down the political monopoly during the late 70’s/early 80’s.

Still this only strengthens my “Red Resolve” as both of the Solidarity outcomes are still way better than the fascist ones, particularly for people like me.

Heh, if my mc does get to make his heroic last stand destroying government records (and vicariously doing what my own country should have done, but didn’t) by torching the ministries and the national archives and forcing the Germans to find out most things for themselves during the occupation it may end up helping Rosa and her allies post-war tremendously. As one of the chief reasons (other then fallaciously choosing to believe Nazi Germany wouldn’t be much worse than the German Empire) why our government didn’t torch the records was their desire to preserve, among other things, the land registry. So having that destroyed would aid Wulf tremendously in weakening any counter-claims to any land-reform programs post-war.

Fair enough, its the same way I cannot play fascist as I know both their relentless war on the poor and downtrodden and their persecution of lgbtq people like me and other racial and ethnic minorities. Whatever the sins of Brazil’s worker’s party may have been they were at least not as vile as our European fascists and their sins may have at least been more of a case of good intentions gone bad.

You still have nothing on the real South Africa and their President Zuma who can possibly survive even more scandals than Trump in the US.
https://forum.choiceofgames.com/t/guns-of-infinity/2656/43300?u=idonotlikeusernames
Not even Dilma or the former South Korean president came anywhere close to that mind-boggling level.

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What I will love is a new order monarchy, more nationalist than fascist. In Franco there were several factions. One is Falange the fascists ones. But, they were others more Catholics, and other more traditionalist. I will love have a chance to be more Moravia hard Monarchy traditional than fascist. I mean Moravia is anti german so for me have more sense. Anyway, all paths seem promising

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Ah, Mara missed you. Of course your mc would like a repressive monarchy, as long as the King is handsome and she gets to be the Queen, right? :wink:

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Well, yes But I like Aesthetically monarchy, it has a glamour. My character doesn’t care if king is handsome or a cucumber, she is all for the throne. Who cares the puppet in it.

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I know what the facists did, but I didn’t suffer under their then like I’m suffering under the left wing of my country. Because of that, I can separate the in-game view of my MC and mine, and because of that I can enjoy the game. I can’t do that with the left wing.

I don’t think diverting money for their own accounts and plunging the nation into the biggest economic crisis of our history is that case.

Just because there are worst presidents, doesn’t mean I want to keep living in the shitstorm my country had became.

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That latter part was mostly in jest, ugh just shows how English ain’t my first language and sarcasm tends to go over poorly on them interwebs. In any case I apologize for any inadvertent offense.

I wouldn’t know much about that, but then Brazil’s old conservative elites were apparently just as bad or worse, so that speaks more to a weak institutional culture that provides utterly inadequate checks and balances and, yes, that should be addressed. But let’s be honest, every time conservatives plunder the economy it’s just “business as usual” and scarcely paid any attention by the mainstream media, while left-wingers get eviscerated for even minor missteps. That said any politician doing such things should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, but just make sure it goes for conservatives and liberals as well, and their fraudsters are prosecuted and impeached just as vigorously as the left-wing ones.

Fair enough, but again here in Europe it seems like a slightly updated form of fascism is making a frightening return and that scares me because I know what they want to do to people like me and what I can ultimately look forward too should they prevail.

Anthony would work, I know a few Frenchmen by that name, including one very cute one I only know of.
http://e.snmc.io/lk/f/a/8b44677685bfd61f2505b3e81475ea9b/1798402.jpg

He could just call himself Anton as shorthand when in Moravia. Some people will do that if they get tired of locals mispronouncing their full name. Also might give our mc a few brownie points if we learn to pronounce it like the French themselves do.

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Well you make a very convincing case for the name Anthony. I will think on it. What’s the problem with Pierre exactly though? I thought it sounded classically french

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I don’t like Pierre sounds like the evil pilot in that 70 cartoon of cars . In English is Dick In Spanish is called Pierre so this is Pierre in my head cannon

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Classic and very, very generic, possibly the most generic French name you can come up with. By the way the name is a very generic one not only in France but also here in the Netherlands and Belgium, where it is written as “Piet” instead (also a very popular European name for our old slave masters to give to their male slaves and that might be where our now internationally infamous “Black Pete” (Zwarte Piet) came from in the first place. In English the equivalent is of course simply Pete or Peter.
Nothing wrong with the name specifically it is just very, very generic and to me that doesn’t help fictional characters stand out.
Apparently in Canada it’s a name so generic that just about everybody is called that, even the girl. :stuck_out_tongue:
According to tvtropes: “The Other Rainforest: filled with trappers, lumberjacks (who usually are OK), treacherous squaws, moose, beavers, and mountain men, all of them named Pierre (even the girl), and all of them wearing flannel and furs.”

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@idonotlikeusernames @poison_mara
Hmm, I take your points. And yes, I can imagine if you’ve been raised with Dick Dastardly called Pierre then that would come to mind in this case…

I’ve just been researching most common French names and Jules appeals to me I think

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I still like Anthony best for the character, probably because the original concept has made its way into my mind now, but you’re the author.

Previously the president was from the Social Democracy party, so they weren’t the old elite conservative.
Almost everyone here thinks the Social Democracy party is right wing, because the worker’s party labeled then as such, but this is another story.

When a president plunges the country into a due economic crisis they are going to be prosecuted. The first president to be impeached was from the right wing.

Okay, maybe I was thinking too much in terms of my own country, where our own Conservative party chairman was recently implicated in some very dodgy “business deals” but the media mostly treated it as business as usual and the Conservative controlled ministry again assigned a bunch of rookie prosecutors with limited means to the investigation and possible prosecution. Whereas had he been the party chair of one of the left-wing parties it would probably still be in the daily news today and the prosecutors and civil service would have pulled out all the stops. It is that sort of uneven treatment I object to, not the fact that both right and left-wing political crooks should get their (over)due comeuppance and be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Are they right-wing, or at least right-wing lite like the “new-left” or “ideology free” politics used to be and to some extent still is in most of Europe? If they are or were your Worker’s Party may have had a valid point there at the very least.

As well they should, again I’d just like to see the prosecutors and civil service make equal work of cases implicating right-wing (conservative) politicians as they do with left-wing ones.

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You know, my opinion may be too unpopular, but i actually agree with a nationalist movement with an established hierarchy. It’s just how fascism was used that bothers me, all that cruelty and persecution was completely unnecessary. So having the option to wrestle the power out of Riga and establishing a “good” fascism would be an interesting gameplay. Socialist Dictatorship would be my second run. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

They are Center-left, in no way they are right wing.
The only right wing parties we have here are the religious party, all the others are either center-left or left wing.
They weren’t right, they just manipulated the population into thinking they were right wing, so it would become a bourgeoisie vs workers fight in the population views.

But there is no good fascism, any form of dictatorship will result into the person in power to become corrupt.
That is why communism never worked.

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Power doesn’t corrupt unless you allow it to, and i wouldn’t. But then, again, i’m brazillian so you shouldn’t trust me into these things :sob:

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Yeah, any sistem were a simple person or small group of people has the absolute power. Always end degenerate and became a tyranny. So in real life run from those type of politicians.

However, in games and stories i found empires and that fascinating due I haven’t to deal with the real horror of that systems.

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