Chani will back me up when I say this is a negative.
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It should be an option. Forget the whole soulmate/ love at first sight bullshit. A cannot commit, nor quit and mc should tell them to go brood in a dark corner and leave them alone. Wonder if the supernatural restraining order exists? Maybe throw garlic at them.
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This is outright stated to not work in B1. Just shoot them (potentially again).
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It is a bad thing, but god, itâs fucking hilarious in LT to see MC treat their partners like shit. I need a new guy / girl / non-binary just for seeing how far I can get with this.
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Imagine if it did work. MC should equip themselves like Rambo. Headband included.
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Try iron, they are more like fae than vampires so it may work.
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For me itâs bullying N and slowly crawling away from him as quickly as possible. Dunno what they have done to him between books, but thatâs not my boy, the sole braincell haver and the only person who actually seems like a good pick for romance.
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A is bad enough for N too? God no. I really donât hate myself that much to get with both.
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A is unironically better than his sole route. So much itâs not funny.
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Like, I genuinely liked N from first two books. Sweet, nice, isnât an Agency boyscout, respects MC as a professional and as a person. And then on my LT run I get decked in the face with some fucking creep who just doesnât take no for an answer.
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Yep. I honestly think breaking off the romanceâor at least stepping back and leaving it for the LI to initiate againâshould be an option for all of them. It makes the least sense with F, but for the other three? I think it would make it a lot more enjoyable to play, instead of the MC being forced into whatever doormat role is needed to satisfy the vampires.
And yes, this applies to M as well, especially if you choose a certain option in the demo, where M says they wonder if MC sees them the way M sees them and, after the MC asks how that is, M tells the MC to figure it out themselves. Itâs like, âExcuse me? Which thing should I use to âfigure it outâ? You calling me a slam pig at Haleyâs? You bringing me coffee? You telling me you canât do without me? You being gone as soon as you get off and I pass out? Which of those things should I use, M???â
Did you play the demo? The LT scene is so horrible it borders on comedy. Between the constant fluttering, heart stopping, stuttering bullshit from the MC (over both of them) and the way N acts in the LT (which makes both of my husbandâs LT-mancers want to run away), I could barely get through reading it to him.
And something I noticed while reading it aloud to himâthe overuse of flowery crap in b3 is increased exponentially. I think I didnât notice it playing it myself, because I skimmed half of the verbiage. I canât stomach the overly descriptive âresponsesâ to everything.
Yep, and itâs kind of funny. Both of his LT-mancers are using N to get to A (in different waysâhis female LT-mancer thinks N is demented and will chain her in a closet, while his male LT-mancer is fucking N just to piss A off, then blowing N off whenever heâs alone with her, lol).
N is a fucking horndog now, and itâs the creepy kind of horny, not the hot M kind of horny. I wish sheâd stop trying to âproveâ N is better than M at sex and just N go back to being his prissy self who wants everything to be proper.
Try not dating N on their solo route. You get the creep who canât take no for an answer there, too. And the narrative turns into a creep that wonât take no for an answer: âbut you really love N! You have heart palpitations just thinking about him! The author is going to give your MC a heart attack if you donât give in and admit N is your god!!!â
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Yeah. Itâs weird. You know what would be preferable than mc being stuck between those two clowns? If A would romance N. Why it never did is baffling, considering N is A bestie, the only one to get them and knew each other for??? years.
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Aiya, is it at least funnily bad or just plain bad?
To be honest, I mainly chose LT route for Lara because without romance game is incredibly dry. It spares you a lot of nerves and agony, though. At times I wonder if itâs a worthwhile exchange.
Wait, was that the reason? I thought he got kidnapped ny aliens or something, the swerve was incredibly jarring. I hope we wonât get promised rewrites of B1 because Iâm genuinely worried for my boy.
Boy. And I thought trying to roleplay a man who doesnât get too attached with B3!M was bad.
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Itâs comically bad without meaning to be. Itâs supposed to be uncomfortable, but the discomfort for me and my husband was just thatâs itâs so badly written and forced. There is barely a sentence that goes by without the MC having some sort of physical malady over both A and N (doesnât matter which one youâre leaning toward, either). And N just acts flat out weird. A behaves like a normal person, unlike in his solo route. In fact, A is the only sane person in the room in the LT scene.
You may get a different vibe, but we were laughing our asses off at how bad it was.
Thatâs just my best guess based on a tumblr ask where she implied N is âbetterâ than M at sex because there are feelings and N is suave or whatever. People liked M sex in b2, so suddenly N is the horndog in b3⌠and now in b4. Since people liked M in b3, I bet A will suddenly start behaving like that in b4.
Well, if you notice, the MC isnât allowed certain options in the routes. With M, you have to be more attached than M, have to be completely psychic and know how M âfeelsâ, and have to be the one to chase M down if you want to be around them because they donât really give a shit if theyâre around you or not (unless youâre about to march into danger, anyway).
With N, you better damned well find them irresistible and âsuaveâ instead of weird, fake, and creepy! You also are in love already, whether you say so or not. Iâm glad I dropped all the routes but Mâs. I can only take so much of the forced physical maladies before I roll my eyes so hard I knock myself on my ass.
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Yeaaa. That will not happen.
That doesnât even make sense. A is a prude and I wish I could reject them for their s**t. But because I canât I will not replay that route.
Why did she make M a RO if she hates them so much. M is such a good character.
Omg 
you are right.
I was actually also literally snorting out loud.
Thank you so much 
this makes my happy 
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First of all, I realize Iâm replying to things from like a week ago, but its 1AM, and i canât sleep, so here is a post far longer than nessecary.
About A
I usually do, especially if there a valid reason for why the characters canât (or at least shouldnât) be together, but A is really starting to get on my nerves as an RO. As just a charcter they are probably my favorite member of the team.
Typically a well done âbut we mustnâtâ relationship arc is easier to achieve with an external conflict interfering (i.e. we are at war, families hate each other, one character is already married, ect.), but i think it can still work with internal conflict. As a primary A-mancer (at least for now. @JBento and @EvilChani may be converting me to M), I think the problem with Aâs route is that there is no explicit awknowlegement of how Aâs internal conflict affects their ability to be with MC. There is a lot of implicit signs, especially in Aâs POV scenes, but no one has had an actual conversation about it. I donât think it would lessen the drama in anyway fo have a âim need to deal with my own trauma before we have a relationshipâ conversation, and if such a thing really is our of character for A, which I personally donât think it is, then N could give MC a more in depth explanation of what is going on without divulging Aâs backsory.
A conversatuon like this doesnât fundamentally change anything about the slow development and mutual pining of Aâs route. Instead, it allows A to show some respect for MC, gives MC a reason to be more uncertain around A other than wondering which side of theyâll see that day, and if done well could entice the reader to find out Aâs backstory. Ideally, there would be mutiple opprotunities so each MC could pick a different confrontation moment. Personally, I would also give the reader a choice to move on or wait for A, but this is less nessecary with an RO lock. I see two moments where this could have worked really well.
- At the opening of book 2 after the scene where the detective sees the team again for the first time and the RO acompanies them to their car. A brings up Murphy, MC says something alongs the lines of âspeaking of that incident I recall us having a moment.â And A could respond with something like âit was unexpected, but I need to figure some things out before we discuss it fully/it happens again/we act it.â The actual phrasing can be more A like, it just needs to the MC real information.
The second, and here is where I really get on my soapbox, could be after tu omina scene. I know not all players get this scene, but I canât rember the alternate to know if it would work there. If MC asked A what they meant by tu omina, A could explain that they have feelings (could eben go partial denial and blame pain meds) but need time to process before doing anything with MC. Iâm not sure if its been discussed here yet, since I donât check this thread as often after the book 3 release because reading the thread always reminds of all the issues with book three that agravated me. But I really wish we got a svene in book 3 to have a real conversation with A about that tu omina scene. It was such a powerful scene on that route and deserved an equally impactful follow up.
I also find it odd that they donât contact each other off screen inbeteeen books. I assume they must be talking but that there are no âsignificant relationship developments.â
Hearing this from you makes me feel a lot better about Mâs route at least. Iâm not I fully trust Sera after book 3 which Iâm planning to reread soon because I havenât read since i first bought it a year ago.
Or she just genuinely doesnât understand m-mamcers, and I suspect even M as well. She has said before that MC is the hardest to write, so maybe Ms scenes donât make sense because sheâs doesnt fully understand her character?
I believe thatâs 5.
Now Iâm worried again. There is a place for detailed description, but not when it outweighs the plot. 
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Iâve played the demo and I should probably wait for the official thread, but I need to vent for a sec.
There will be spoilers, so read at your own peril.
Let's start with some positives:
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The beginning (intro?) is promising and the writing dynamic, I hope the author explores more of that.
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Overall M has the best start. Why they werenât in bed when the MC woke up makes sense to me, but I agree with Chani that the intimate scene should have been explored, it would have been the perfect addition to the scene. Also, M is the best of besties. Love them in all shapes and forms.
Some negatives:
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Iâm afraid that A is undergoing a personality transplant as N did in b3. I hope Iâm wrong, though. Their solo scene was cute, but they didnât feel like A. I imagined there would be some awkwardness after that b3 ending, instead, we have an A weâve rarely, if ever, seen, and it left me with this nagging sensation that A is playing more mind games. And yes, you can call them out, but you get interrupted, so does that even count? Which begs the question: is this going to be another repeat of the confrontation with N in b3 after the trappersâ ambush, where everything was swept under the rug? Possibly, seeing how MC reacts, which brings me to my next point.
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The MC in Aâs route is so desperate for any crumbs of attention that itâs sad, so sad to read. Iâm sad for my A-mancer, Iâm sad for myself, Iâm just sad. The dialogue also gave me whiplash, the MC goes from âbut you said you had to let me go and stay awayâŚâ to âanyway, never mind, tell more about yourselfâ, in a single sentence. Iâm so confused.
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Haley in Aâs route. This woman! I canât with her, smh. I need a âHaley, do you mind?!â, dialogue option to call this woman out.
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Nâs solo scene has the most absurd interruption Iâve read in a long, long time. Surely it could have been done differently. It was painfully weird, especially if you picked the intimate scene. However, the little I saw of N I liked. I need N to revert to their b2 self.
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Speaking of interruptions, please let these characters start and end a conversation at least once, I beg you Mishka. I canât stand another book that uses this plot device over and over again, itâs overdone and serves no purpose other than to drag everything out indefinitely.
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I said that the writing in the introduction was dynamic, true⌠but then Mishka goes back to the flowery writing and prose, which I know is her style, but there seems to be so much of it in such a short chapter, as too many weather descriptions, that it takes away from the reading experience.
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The time jump: what a missed opportunity to give an A-mancer MC some agency and let the player decide whether they spent some time with A during those few weeks or not. It would have made a lot more sense and the MC would have seemed less desperate. As for the other ROs, I canât justify it. A sentence or two saying that the MC and the love interest tried to make the most of the little free time they had, chatting over coffee, watching a sunrise together, etc. would have been better than nothing. Did they never cross paths around town or in the facility? Maybe they did, but we will never know.
Although my A-mancerâs heart is broken, Iâm still going to play/read b4, thereâs an interesting premise and Iâm looking forward to A (Iâm a clown like that, what can I say) and Mâs routes but overall, after b3, Iâm keeping my expectations really, really low.
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like somewhere at the bottom of the mariana trench low.
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Yeah 
, I mean, at this point I know what to expect from Wayhaven. I hope to be positively surprised but I am not holding my breath.
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