I think you mean that you’d let Shawnie be all over you. We’re not talking about someone who gives other people enough time to take the initiative. 
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Very true, which just makes me even sadder Shawnie was female. Every game with set gendered romances has better female LIs than male LIs. 
looking at you Golden Rose, though that may change once we get someone other than stupid Hadrian
Didn’t notice this before, but I agree. And I suspect it will get even worse now that UB knows that either Verda or Tina knows about the supernatural. Then,with the Tina route, you have the whole Adrian plot to derail things even more. I would’ve preferred both learn in different ways and just have it be part of the plot, instead of another freaking branch that has to be handled to make writing it take even longer.
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On that note, The detective’s friends SUCK.
My detective is against Tina’s relationship (understandably so) which was conveyed in a very respectful manner iirc (unlike tina who makes everything her business) and her whole demeanor is so aggressive after that.
I think there was a line she said which insinuated that the detective didn’t want her to be in a relationship because only they could be in one.
Looking out for her made her THAT bitter, made me feel like she was jealous of the detective and masking it behind her go gurl persona this whole time.
And Verda as well, taking it out on the detective because he can’t handle it? How is the detective supposed to know that Verda doesn’t wanna know shit.
I really hoped that we had an option to be on bad terms with them, especially Verda with his cold shoulder. The detective is always pushed to be this wuss that forgives and accepts. It breaks the immersion a lot if you have a no bs mc.
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What do you guys reckon will happen in the next books with A? If we follow the pattern:
- Book one was crushing/ Love at first sight
- Book two was handholding
- Three was kiss and abandon
I’m guessing in b4 at the last or second last chapter we’re definitely getting a home run and the brick wall finally accepting his feelings.
Will be a good setup if the RO gets kidnapped in b5 start and the detective trades themselves in or whatever, then finally reuniting and finalizing the relationship at the end of book 5.
6 and 7 will be stable relationship wise.
These are just wild guesses, I would love to hear your thoughts!!
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Okay just jumping in here, correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t mischa working on another story with Elidor as one of the main ROs???
Bc I don’t understand where the idea of them being a love interest in TWC books came from…
Idk maybe I dreamt it lol
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Sergi was great. (And Marco. And the whole Blood Moon.) I like Ed, but more like a friend/younger brother.
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My issue with the Tina/Spy thing is that the MC doesn’t have the option to just tell Tina straight out that the asshole is a spy and is only there to watch what she does and report back to the Agency. Because that’s exactly what my MCs would do.
Instead, the MC is forced to keep the secret so it can blow up later into some angsty bullshit that will be resolved two seconds later when the MC begs forgiveness and points out that Tina is happily in love. And the spy will be painted as this perfect person for Tina, despite the lies and spying. 
You’re right about her sounding bitter, though. Considering in b1 Tina harasses the MC for never dating, it was weird for her to be like that about it. But then again, consistency and logic are not welcome in this series.
That is my guess as well, after suffering through more mixed signals for the first 90% of the game.
Yeah, given all that’s been said about b5, I figure the MC and LI will be forcibly separated (possibly voluntarily) for 80-90% of the game, then reunite at the end. That’s when M will finally understand their feelings using their pea-sized brain.
Hopefully. I think that will be the case for 6 for A, N, and F, at least. I doubt there will ever be an established, outwardly agreed upon relationship with M. The MC will just “know” there’s one. 
It’s going to be in a separate series. She had all that on her Patreon. I think she was going to do it as a VN, if I remember correctly.
Agree on Ed, but Marco wasn’t my cup of tea. Too shy and blushy for my tastes. A great friend, though!
Yeah, I’m done with all the routes except M’s, at this point. A’s route is too damned boring and repetitive. Longing looks and forced angst don’t impress me, which is why I’ve always said there should’ve been an early off ramp for A and M’s angst fests, but it’s set in stone when stuff will happen and there’s nothing the MC can do to push it along.
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Which isn’t even necessary if the goal is to include drama in the relationship between the MC and Tina. There should’ve been the option to tell her the truth, but she doesn’t believe the MC. Tons of men, women, others, etc. act this way when they’re in lust. It always causes more conflict than not because the outside person can see what the person in lust can’t or doesn’t want to acknowledge. The question I have is: Does the upcoming conflict between the two matter to the plot? Is it going to have a huge impact? Will Tina not believe us in a scenario and wind up injured because she lost her trust in the MC? If none of this is the case and everything will be resolved easily, does it need to be included at all?
From my perspective, A already accepts their feelings; they’re just overwhelmed and scared of them, and they don’t want to get hurt emotionally beyond repair, so they refuse to allow themselves to have what they want, which is a solidified romantic relationship with the MC. Essentially, I would describe A as being emotionally scarred. I would say they don’t accept the MC’s feelings for them. So, what I envision for B4 would be them accepting the MC’s affections and them getting into a solidified relationship with the MC towards the end of B4. At least, that’s the hope; if it’s truly dragged out until the end of B5, I don’t think that would be the best option. That’s too drawn out and excessive, and I’m someone who likes the slow pace of the relationship, but there should be a balance. That would be five books of playing footsie and two books of an actual relationship. I would rather focus solely on romancing F if that were the case, which is also a fairly slow-paced relationship.
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Man, I love slow burn as much as the next guy (I’d say more than the next guy even), but jfc… B1 was good, B2 was okay, B3 felt like suffering for suffering’s sake. There’s no burning, the fire is out, we’re rolling around a single cold piece of coal hoping that a campfire’s just around the corner. I’m giving up. At some point “fixing them” is not worth the trouble. I wish we could switch RO halfway between books, because I’m stuck with Adam in a damned rollercoaster of an emotional abuse. A had 900-something years to book a single therapy session. I kinda want to go love triangle route just to break A’s and N’s friendship because A doesn’t deserve good things. For some reason I thought B3 was the final peace of a trilogy and you don’t know how I screamed when I learned there are SEVEN books planned. 4 more books of this bs. Ffs.
I honestly don’t think the author can make the A romance (when it finally happens, chapter 17 of B7 maybe?) worth it all. It’s not even a dig at them. Maybe if it was a tv-show or a novel, or even when it’s completed and the readers can just binge the whole series. But I feel that I’d be disappointed no matter how good the resolution would be simply because I’m stewing in this “one step forward - six steps back” bs for years between books.
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Would it be better or worse for you to learn that A isn’t nearly as much of an arse in LT route?
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Does anything?
Does anything?
This is both true and interesting to see because A’s behaviour is exactly the same, it’s just that the circumstances are completely different so there’s AN ACTUAL REASON for them to act this way, instead of it being Sera going “hur dur, angst”.
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The fact that they are apparently physically unable to pull their head out of their ass without external stimuli is immensely frustrating, but what else is new…
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Mishka is definitely going down the route of “I was spying and lying to you, But I’m truly in love with you uwu” and the whole power imbalance will be ignored. I always wanna go for the route where we don’t reveal it to anyone but it’s just boring, we don’t get as much RO content as we get in the other routes.
Honestly my detective understood A’s point of view and would fully back off, hell they’d even support it. But we’re just forced to longingly gaze back. We got one option where we could pull back and after that it’s back to simping…girl get a grip. Imagine an option where we go could go stone cold.
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Oooh, ooh, I know the answer Professor Joao! It’s NO!
Yep. A’s solo route should’ve been a different kind of slow burn–A’s a demisexual, according to Sera, so why not use that? Get rid of the mixed signals and emotional abuse, and just have a gun-shy A needing to know the MC better before anything can happen.
The power imbalance is a huge problem in Wayhaven, period.
This is precisely the power imbalance I meant, and it’s not just in A’s route. The MC is a passenger in these romance routes, with no ability to affect anything about the progress of them other than to agree or not when the LI finally deems the MC worthy of their attention/care/love. And the MC is forced to simp no matter what. Really, the most egregious example of this was on N’s route–if the MC doesn’t decide they’re in love with N when the narrative tries to force it on them, the text still has the MC thinking about how irresistible N is and how overwhelemed with feeling for them they are. It yanked me right the hell out of the narrative. Nope, sorry, my MC has started seeing N as a red flag romance and possible yandere–she’s not so enamored of him right now that she is in love with him without saying it outright!
We couldn’t be allowed that option, though. The MC is forced to chase the vampires and hound them for affection, especially in A and M’s route. I am still pissed off that our A and M-mancers were forced to go to the warehouse to beg for a place to stay (though at least A freaking offered, instead of M’s, “What do you want? To borrow clothes?”–fuck you, M). Neither my M-mancer nor my A-mancer would’ve gone there at all, and my M-mancer wouldn’t have gone anywhere near M after the bakery scene–he would’ve had to seek her out, instead. But players aren’t allowed to have MCs with any damned dignity or spine. the MC must be UwU any time the LI spits in their face.
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I still can’t believe that we weren’t given this answer option, for more forward Detectives: “Yes. The ones you’re wearing look nice, why don’t you take them off?”
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Mine may have gone for that if there had been some added snark…
“Well, you did say the only thing between us was me seeing you naked. Give me your clothes.”
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And the worst part is that I KNOW that in B4 A and Detective are gonna be back to pining and kicked puppy looks even after the disaster that was B3 ending. At this point I welcome any and all external obstacles, disturbances, ANYTHING to shake things up. Whatever lazy shortcut substituting for proper communication, work, therapy - because god knows we aren’t getting those. Just get me out of this freaking ant mill. These two idiots by themselves sure aren’t able to. It’s more of a damn comedy than romance - a sitcom, to be exact. Always back to status quo.
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The only hope I had for B4 was the villain romance route, and learning that its forced to end because the “villain is just so evil” made me profoundly unhappy.
I pray that at least the angst series will allow MC to be forced to do so, but considering how Miskha (sachê) said that MC is too much of a good person to keep romancing the villain, I doubt that will be the case, since this series is obssesed with wrestling control over the MC away from the player, like with the whole Rebeca thing, and the angsty teen looks shite. (I am two steps away from going into “this should have stayed a novel” crowd)
I can only hope that at least MC will get to be super bitter/unhappy about it, because the only way I can keep up for four more books is if me and my MC can both hate every single step of the way.
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This fact becomes more and more obvious with each passing moment. So many newer games, and series, actually let you shape the MC in a meaningful way. What’s more, the way you shape your MC affects how the romances progress (looking at The Fernweh Saga here, given how b2 is going to go).
The MC in Wayhaven is 99% set as an UwU tween angst machine who is nice, kind of sarcastic, scared of their own shadow, feels bad for Rebecca, and is a doormat for the LI. The personality stats are rarely used to shape the story, save for a couple of places per game. Even the skill stats make no difference except for a select few scenes, which is why you have a heavily combat-focused MC jump scaring every five seconds over some inane bullshit.
I have said it elsewhere–the only real “choice” in this series is which “train” you board. M, A, N, or F? Bobby or Douglas? Tina or Verda? Once you pick the train, you’re stuck there, unable to effect change or speed thing up, save for a few mostly meaningless scenes. Even the way the MC is supposedly gathering allies will likely have no effect on anything–if the MC has pissed off Falk and Sin, then UB or Rebecca will probably swoop in and somehow fix things so the train stays on course.
It probably should have, though then M would’ve been relegated to a cartoonish, borderline evil asshole for the entirety of the series, and that would’ve been a shame. At least with the game, she’s forced to actually write the characters with some semblance of depth.
My guess? The MC will be able to be angsty and sad over it a few times, allowing UB to magnanimously forgive them for having the gall to fall in love with someone so horrible, thereby causing them to grow closer to UB. But bitter? I doubt it. The MC is too UwU to be bitter. They just get the big-eyed, tears-welling sadness and hurt.
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Wait, we can “romance” a villain in b4? That could have been interesting idea, if writen right. But with how things are going, i guess it will be just some kind of distraction before MC realised that they’re just as obsess with LI as they’re with MC. (I mean we had the chance to have some flirty moments with Falk and it led to nowhere since we’ll never see him again.) And aren’t some LI kind of horrible too when it comes to MC? M keeps acting like an teenager who’s never felt anything other than the need to bang everyone who come near them. A is leading us in circles instead of faceing their feeling. And N will be having some yandere episodes (better hide all sharp things). When it comes to emotional pain they’re causing our detective, some interesting villain would be better choice.
I don’t want to be mean, but maybe Wayhaven would be better as an ebook? At least we wouldn’t be angry about the fact that in choices game our choices clearly doesn’t matter.
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