The Wayhaven Chronicles General Discussion (SPOILER FREE FOR BOOK THREE!)

It seems that way because that’s exactly what happens. Everything–even the plot of each game itself–is there to create desired angsty scenes. And if it needs to change on a dime, that’s what happens. There’s no consistency, and I don’t think there’s supposed to be.

Uh huh. That’s precisely what it is–more manufactured drama.

B1!M was an asshole, but I found him more tolerable than A, who was even more of an asshole in b1. N was annoying because all the “nice” from him felt so condescending, and even when he argued with A about telling the MC, he proved to have no backbone at all and just let A run roughshod over him. And F was obnoxious as hell, with the teasing comments and insults (seriously, who the fuck walks into someone’s home for the first time and starts dissing it?).

B2!M was good, and I really think B3!M from about chapter 14 until the end was good. The forced drama in Haley’s made me hate Haley for having no damned ability to read a room (or behave like someone with a brain) and was forced in there just to slap M-mancers in the face after the kiss and M walking with an arm slung around the MC. Forcing the MC to go there to beg for a place to stay after that scene was just unforgivable, in my opinion. M should’ve been the one seeking out the MC, and the MC should’ve been allowed to try to find somewhere else to stay, with M asking them to stay at the warehouse since there’s a freaking bounty on their head. After the asking, the bakery scene could’ve been addressed if the MC actually gave a damn about it.

Then again, UB should’ve suggested staying with them as soon as the bounty was out. But nope… wet pajamas. :roll_eyes:

It will. It’s just another reason to drag this shit out for another entire book, with M finally “realizing” at the end of b4 (if we’re lucky) or sometime in b5 when more drama is piled onto this mess.

My guess is that b5 will be dealing with the LI’s trauma or something like that. I’m sure it’s tied to Sanja’s “vision” for the LI, and it really sounded like the MC will have the opportunity to cut and run, considering the way she worded things. Whether that will be forced on the MC or a choice, who knows. We don’t get a choice about much else with the romances, so it’ll probably be a forced separation. It’s likely what the blood temptation is working up to in b4.

Yet, even when they had no problem with the ambush, M somehow gets overcome by a Trapper so the MC can save the day with an asinine plan, when all M had to do was kick the jerk in the leg. Again, nothing is consistent, and it’s because there are desired “moments” that have to happen, so the lore/plot/character development gets upended to make that moment happen.

True, the planning and execution are terrible. I’m a completionist, though, and with the exception of a select few things that would make me walk away from the series, I have to keep going, even if it continues to be poorly done.

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For extra bogus points, this ONLY happens if you’re romancing M.

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I had forgotten it was only M. I remembered my A-MC got caught and had to get out, and with F it was a team effort (I think?). I don’t remember N.

The fact that M is the only one to get caught really pisses me off.

I also think it would make more sense if the Trappers had some kind of drug to disable supernaturals instead of sparky glowsticks. I don’t see how the hell they can capture supes like that.

And don’t get me started on the ridiculousness that Sin’s shield was just a mirage. Why ruin it like that??? Why not let the MC’s “special” blood be useful??

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F literally grins and thumbs-up you while keeping a Trapper in a headlock and kneeing him in the face (I think they OPEN with a groin kick, IIRC), which, at least, is the way every vampire/Trapper confrontation SHOULD go. Trappers don’t pack the power necessary to make the vamps so much as sweat, every fight with them should either be over too fast for you notice or a chance for F to try to impress the Detective with slapstick shenanigans of the “see? I couldn’t stop Murphy but nobody’s hurting you anymore while I’m around, please stay with me” intent.

But it was useful? I mean, it was because everyone else is a moron, because if you throw, shoot, or drop something at/on Sin that shield is meaningless on account of, e.g., arrows not caring, but it was (not that you and Sin have an actual serious fight one way or another, but, y’know).

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Yeah. So F–who is a runner, not a fighter–does fine fighting the Trappers, but M–who is usually better at kicking ass than A–turns damsel-in-distress? I really think she’s determined to show M as being a bad fighter, which is why she had the “training” scene, where M couldn’t touch A at all and kept getting hit. :roll_eyes:

It was still lame to negate that ability of Sin’s. It would’ve been way cooler to leave it, so that the MC was forced to either negotiate with Sin to take the Trappers down or actually find a way to fight him and win. Instead, we get, “oh, it was an illusion!” which seemed forced as an alternative to the research route where you learn the bond is false.

Since you only get +1 to your supernatural skill, it would’ve been more fun to force all MCs (even combat-oriented ones) into research first to try to find a way to fight Sin. Then, you learn about the fake bond but still have the problem of having to defend against him (at the very least), so all MCs should’ve been forced to take the +1 supernatural combat training. It’s such a small jump that it doesn’t matter, and the MC was stuck in the warehouse with nothing to do for a week. You’d think training would be a priority while they’re hiding out and sitting on their ass.

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I still can’t believe that dumb motherfucker can somehow get bored while having simultaneous access to:

1 - the internet;
2 - the Agency’s database; and
3 - the world’s goddamnest biggest library on the supernatural.

You’d need an archaeological expedition to find me amidst the piles of books and I’d be like “a week? that can’t be, I’d only been here three hours when I said ‘I’ll only read one more before going to bed’”.

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Well, she wanted a time jump and decided the MC did nothing and was bored.

The sad part is that it could’ve been fixed with a single choice after a statement that UB was busy patrolling and essentially avoiding the MC for the entire week the MC was there, so the MC spent their time:

  • Reading as many books as they could from N’s extensive library
  • Combing the library for any scraps of information about the anunnaki
  • Using the training room to get stronger and better their combat skills
  • Surfing the internet and talking to people online
  • Looking through what part of the Agency’s database they could get to
  • Sitting on their ass

Everything but the last one could’ve given a bump in a skill. Even if she didn’t want to give a skill bump, at least the flavor text would’ve been tailored to the MC instead of making every single MC look like, as you put it, a dumb motherfucker.

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This also could’ve made the LI/MC interaction better as well, with the LI seeking them out wherever they were and getting them out of what they’ve been doing the whole time.

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Imagine if M and MC actually had issues during this moment, not in front of random people. Would have been nice if the mission was ended on a stormy note, and with the later kidnapping by Trappers this could have been the definitive “yes, i care about you more than I’d like to admit”.

Because man, if you have sex with M often and even - especially - if you don’t, there are so many possible issues to discuss that don’t amount to outing your relationship status to literary who.

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Clueless dumbass M incoming for b4…

I don’t know which is worse, at this point, considering all we got in b3: M not caring immediately about Bobby saying they know what it’s like to be loved by the MC instead of just fucking them or the fact that, when M thinks about it later, they still can’t come up with a feasible reason why they’d care one way or the other.

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It seems M normal state of being is confused 24/7, at this point they may even reach nirvana through confusion.

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Possibly. Whatever the case, M certainly can’t get any stupider than they already are!

I take it back. If I say that, it’ll definitely happen…

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I love the books, but good god there are so many inconsistencies. I ignore them usually because of my adoration but some of them are just so stupid.

First off, Sin. Need I say more? He had SO much potential, and is practically unhateable, with the whole eye candy thing going off for him. Still somehow his character seems so shallow and bland. For a strong alpha macho “I’m invincible” character literally nobody talks or gives a fuck about him. Everything we, the reader, know about him is fed through his internal woe is me monologue and for the detective he’s just a spineless moron??

Like this dumbass was told that he has a soul bond with someone and he just goes OK :+1: like bro disagrees with everything Anwar does but doesn’t question it? and if we question him, he just slaps us with the “iThs mAgIc yU wUthnt uNdeRsThanth” shtick. Okay sure it’s magic that is WAY beyond our understanding and goes deeper than love but at least the reader should see how it all happened, Otherwise it just seems like Sin is the dumbest person to exist (there’s a lotta competition for that in Wayhaven) falling for a scam that a 5 year old would laugh at.

It gets worse if you compare him to Falk, a character that we were probably not supposed to like as much as we did. We didn’t get much internal monologs or spoon fed personality shit and yet he intrigued the readers more. The showcase of his mannerisms was so subtle and had a natural feel to it, like we were the ones figuring him out. We get to communicate with him, while with Sin its like communicating to a dead rat.

How do you flub so hard that we like a zombie looking dude more than a chiseled god with wings?

I’ll just inhale my copium and think of him as a himbo and like him.
(I’ll end the rant here as I can write a whole book on the inconsistencies, pardon me for the long ass para)

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Looks like Mishka has potential plans for Elidor as a love interest. An interesting choice as I know some people are very fond of him. I think I personally will always stick with him being more of a caring mentor-ish type of character for things regarding the agency. I like the platonic kind of caring relationship that’s possible between him and the PC.

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I think you just explained the biggest problem with Sin–we got too much inner monologue and virtually no actual communication with him. It would’ve been far more intriguing had we seen less Sin POVs and more interactions.

Hell, B3’s entire plot was completely spoiled in the first few chapters, but then almost nothing was actually done to get the MC. It was a bunch of farting around, trying to get random supernaturals that the MC didn’t know, then someone they’ve spoken to all of twice. The “villain” was likewise uninteresting because all we saw were a bunch of cartoon villain scenes from Sin’s POV throughout the book, with the MC not even meeting them until the very end. And then, it was so over-the-top cartoony, it was impossible to take them seriously (and every time I think about the fact that the Agency knew there were auctions of supernaturals and did fuck all about it, I want to bang my head into a wall).

For a game that is written in first person, we get a ton of other POVs, and I think it hinders the flow of the story in a huge way. And it appears b4 will have even more “other” POVs than the other three books.

I like the character, but after this series is done–unless something drastic happens to impress me before the end of b7–I’m done with any series Mishka writes. If it’s a one-off, fine, but to be three full games into Wayhaven and still have two of the LIs being forced into stupidity for another full game is just ridiculous. Besides, any other games will most likely have to wait until this series is done, and by then it’ll be 2035-2038. I’m not signing on for more dragged out romances when I can play games where the romances aren’t slow-crawled to fill several books.

I used to want to see a Unit Alpha series, until she made the comment that she’d still have to throw a bunch of drama into it, despite the characters being much more open and direct about what they want and not being emo tweens. I guess they’d get turned into emo tweens in their own stories, so no thanks!

I like that, too. Elidor is kind of a breath of fresh air after being forced to deal with UB for long. As great as M’s romance was in b3, I am going to want to break things with a firepoker when I have to deal with the return for dumbfuck M in b4. Being able to talk to Elidor and get away from it will be a treat.

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That’s one of the things that I don’t understand. If Mishka wanted to go with MC being a detective and solving supernatural mysteries, it would be better to stick with the first person POV. It would make the whole investigation more mysterious even for us as readers. This skipping between POVs ruins it and I don’t think it adds anything to the story.
If we really should be solving mysteries and be surprise by what we find, the story should stick with the detective’s POV. If Mishka can’t help it and wants to cram everything she knows about the mysteries into the story anyway, it would be better to switch the story into third-person POV.

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JFC, why?! I can’t wait for Barbara’s new game; I’m going to have to put up with goddamn vampires again (but at least they’re ACTUAL vampires), but if it’s anything similar to Blood Moon I can get away with putting up with zero tween bullshit (Shawnie is best girl, and I’ll kill on this hill).

@M_K1 Another hill I’m willing to kill on is that Wayhaven is most definitely NOT a detective game series.

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Yeah, I gotta agree with @JBento on this one. The game was never really meant to focus on the detective part of the story. It was always a story focused on the romance, and the plot has always been used to fuel and enhance the scenes within the romance, not the other way around. While I do personally feel like it’s a bit drawn out, I guess I do also just remind myself it’s an IF and not a novel, so where people would normally wait a little less than a year for the next iteration of a romance novel to come out, the wait is organically just longer for this series simply because there’s more to write.

As someone who has taken 3 years (so far) to write four completely different routes of an IF, I feel this pain lol

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Exactly! I do wish we had less of Sins POV and more of our RO’s POV…I don’t know if I’m the only one that felt it but in book 3 we had really less LI inner monologue, considering the amount of moments we had with them. Especially A. I would be dying to see their thoughts on the detective and at the end it’s the same old heart beating blood pumping pant pissing shit that I would’ve guessed on my own. Either give us quality or quantity, but we just get the same predictable oooo they’re hypnotic shit.
I guess that’s why I loved book 1 and 2 so much because we didn’t know much about the characters and those monologues from the RO’s were * chefs kiss * because we would get to see what’s actually going on in their head compared to their stoic persona on the outside (mainly applies for A). But now we know them so well so why not just…delve deeper?

Yeah I really wish she wouldn’t…Every author has their own pace (which is totally fine) and the amount of work they can handle, I love Elidor as much as the next person but this will sidetrack the author even more.

We have four more books to come and it’s a Looong wait. Rather than spending time on side characters I feel like it’s better for her to focus on the main RO’s as it will retain the followers of the book and also keep her less exhausted mentally.

Same applies to the new “villain LI” character and the backend multiple outcome coding and branching, which honestly there’s no need for. If anyone was reading the book for the plot they would’ve left by now, better to just stick to romance. I feel like the multiple branches are also why the quality degraded for book 3. I don’t expect anything from the book other than romance tbh, so it’s fine but if I remove my bias book 3’s plot didn’t make any sense and the agency is the dumbest organization alive.

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I love Elidor - I’d totally be up for a romance track with him. And since the actual romance would only take place over the course of about three/four books, it might be decently paced!

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Like @JBento said, this has never been a detective game, and the plot has never been about solving crimes or the like. The plot exists only as a vehicle to create certain scenes with the LI (and “amusing” scenes she thinks of, like the slapstick bullshit of the blood drive that could’ve easily been remedied without resorting to lunacy), and will be dropped or change on a dime in order to create other scenes she wants to write.

In reality, the entire series is basically a single romance story stretched out over the course of seven games, with a few romance “moments” per game. The plot is basically inconsequential, only existing to create the moments she wants to write. B3’s sole plot point was the auction–the path to it was disjointed, poorly paced, and often nonsensical as hell, but that was the main “moment” that had to happen. B4’s sole plot point seems to be the ball and whatever happens between the MC and LI there (most likely, it will be A’s turn to shine and will finally give in to being in love with the MC).

So yeah, the focus of this series has never been–and will never be–on investigating and solving cases. The reader is handed all the answers on a silver platter fairly early into each game, after all. And, really, it’s not even about the MC, since all of the personality stats are used so infrequently and flat out ignored to pain the MC as a UwU tween doormat. Instead, the focus is on the slow-dripped romances, introducing all the species she wants to show, introducing a new team each game (that we never see again until the end of the series, probably), and showcasing all of the characters she’s invented.

UA was just a nice change from UB. They actually acted like real people with brains, at least in the short time we saw them.

And I would’ve been all over Shawnie had she been male. Instead, I went for Farro (and Sergi, in another run, though I wish that romance could’ve happened sooner). Barbara is awesome. I’m looking forward to the vampire game, too.

In your defense, writing your game isn’t your full-time job. Considering that, I think you’re doing great with your progress. I just need more Lance. :stuck_out_tongue:

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