The Wayhaven Chronicles General Discussion (SPOILER FREE FOR BOOK THREE!)

I’m with your husband on that…After re-reading, I feel so dissatisfied with Felix route in B3, nothing happened, the sex scene was whatever and F was the only one who didn’t have “love” word - MC didn’t even think about feeling it nor F.

The quickie with N after saying L-word feels so weird…
It would more sense if N said it back at least.

Also another thing related to that, that annoyed me with N route is when they confess their love but Detective doesn’t respond. Why…

I loved that scene so much!
If sex scenes are going to be so weird in b4 I think I will just start skipping these…

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With the way these sex scenes are being written, I wouldn’t place any bets on either of them being the best at sex thus far.

That would be even more out of character after Book 3, and the only reason for that is that I had my MC look through M’s file; he picked up on it. He was upset and went away without giving any information to my MC, telling her to look it up if she was interested, but it was quite tame. If a person isn’t going to be furious over important stuff (the MC was in the wrong and deserved to be ignored or have the LI upset with them), getting angry at being questioned about why they’re being avoidant is insane.

We’re compelled to headcanon the most trivial matters anyhow, so I’ll just headcanon that M is in love with the MC, lmao.

This is interesting. Wasn’t Mason apologizing for how he said it rather than what he said? How does that translate into a forced apology? I view it as comparable to how M apologized to N during Book Three when they were discussing kidnappings or whatever. He wasn’t apologetic for what he said, but for how dismissively and coarsely he stated it.

I honestly don’t picture them coping with certain circumstances without shouting all the time, having an attitude, or having a backbone after the way the MC went off on A during Book 1 (without us having a choice). That being said, the trope works best for folks who have MCs that prefer the chase over the capture.

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It didn’t drag out long. They ended up together once Bella discovered Edward was a vampire and confronted him about it. There was an “LT” involved, so it wasn’t an effortless relationship, but they established one very quickly.

This would have been better stated as M not being capable of having romantic emotions in general at first and being surprised and uncomfortable when the opposite occurred with the MC.

I was recently reading Sera’s website, and on A’s profile, it says that the MC scares them. I had no idea that was verified; did you? It’s possible we discussed it and I forgot about it.

It states:

Is it fear holding them back, or something else? You scare them. The thick wall they built up around themself suddenly doesn’t feel like enough, the lessons they thought they’d learned suddenly feels simultaneously heavier and lighter. Your smile lights up their days, your laugh making their heart speed up. They want to kiss you, to hold you, to make you their’s but they’re so scared of that line, of what it would mean to step over it.

Exactly. They should question it and ask the rest of Unit B (excluding N) since they won’t tell them; they want them to figure it out on their own. (I think a moment like this occurs in Book Three.)

I absolutely agree with your perspective, and to add to that, it makes me wonder if all of this was done on purpose to emulate Rebecca and Rook’s relationship and separate characteristics. Typically, as the MC presents themselves, so does Rook; although A is Rebecca with more passion, Rebecca appears duller than A. I sense a little of Rook in A as well; it appears that they would put their life on the line in the same manner that Rook did.

F is Rook, and he enjoys having a family, starting a family, and keeping their family together.

As you mentioned, N is Rebecca, with their secrets and lies of omission mirroring Rebecca. Like Rebecca, she is continuously concerned about the MC’s safety, but N is far more controlling and harsh about it.

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Exactly. I don’t expect the world of Wayhaven to be completely realistic, but for it to be logical and hold certain characters accountable when they commit heinous acts and force themselves to be around our MC’s is the bare minimum, if you ask me.

Yeah, that’s understandable. I feel the same way. I don’t know who’s verbal assault is more lethal—F’s in general or M’s in Book One.

LMAO, I rarely go anyplace with N, even if I am on their path. This seems fun, though. I swear I need to create a chaotic playthrough where I fail and insult everyone.

I find it bizarre that Sera is good with secrecy in certain aspects, such as the mole, the knight, the manner in which Rook died, and M’s last name, yet we’re still getting these insights into the antagonist’s POV when those are things we should not know about. I’m really just against having any insight into this antagonist’s motives.

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LMAO! I’m not sure how they all seem to be pleased with this enforcement. I’d expect F to do their own thing since they’re used to a particular way of life, but there’s no rebels in the agency, I suppose.

I suppose my expectations are too high. I fully expect us to be assaulted by the LI (or at least N), fighting for our lives until the rest of Unit B or other supernatural entities hear the savage onslaught. LMAO, it’s probably not happening, but I can only hope.

This is what we need! I mean, Sera has all of these units created; maybe that’s why.

I didn’t realize you could engage sexually with F. Was it written well?

Remaining blue-balled is probably the safest choice, honestly. It probably won’t be written in an enticing way. Sera needs to have someone else handle the intimate scenes.

This would explain why she is still in mourning and nearly faints while speaking about him. The irony is that the MC is so similar to Rook that she essentially abandons us. It would make sense if she avoided us because she felt guilty about Rook whenever she was near us. Someone’s theories in this sub must be correct.

How are they friends? I didn’t know friends went seven months without speaking to each other, I would consider that person an acquaintance at that point. M doesn’t seem like the kind of person to have friends outside of their family, which is Unit B. M didn’t even befriend us in the beginning; I doubt they were different with Alima; they more than likely just started fucking because they were attracted to each other, and that’s it. Alima, in my opinion, is a non-factor who just exists to provide extra drama if you let your character feed into it, which I won’t be doing. Honestly, I would just ignore Alima in general, she really doesn’t matter.

This is something I completely agree with. Unit Alpha and Victor are still unnecessary to the storyline in general, in my opinion. Nothing would change if they were completely removed from the game.

Exactly. Reading Book 3 on M’s route gave me whiplash. Despite how enjoyable it was, they had nearly too much of a personality shift (too much growth) too quickly.

General Question for everyone:

What are your best predictions for M’s last name? Andreadis has been my only guess.

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Do it!

I would prefer something like this to a reset!M in b4, if this is the direction the author is going for. I’d be fine with the Alima narrative if a confused M, who distances themselves for a while because they’re struggling with their feelings, ends up having an honest conversation with Alima in which they admit it couldn’t work with anyone else because they’re not the mc, and this is their “oooh” moment. But I’m also fine with M continuing to be the way they were after ch.14 in b3 even if we can’t have the option to start a relationship because honestly my M-mancer is already in a relationship with the M😂, they just haven’t put a label on what they have and sometimes there’s no need to. Now the L word is a different story, it wouldn’t hurt to be able to say it and please, for the love of all that is holy, let’s not have a repeat N moment where the detective and N can’t say it at the same time. I’m begging you Mishka.

Yes please, sometimes authors focus too much on the ‘journey’ to start a relationship and don’t explore the relationship and it’s such a missed opportunity.

Tbh, what we have with M is a lot deeper than the relationship with N or F in a started relationship so I wouldn’t fret too much.

I have no idea, I’m still waiting for the author to explain it. When the detective said it and N didn’t respond, the author said it was because N was at a loss for words/shocked and whatnot, but it’s never mentioned again, the mc doesn’t even have any inner conflict/thoughts about N not saying it back or that maybe they’re too invested and N doesn’t feel the same… nothing, nada, zero. Until the end, when N finally says it and the detective just stares at them, in complete silence. How romantic. My main problem with N’s route is that nothing is ever addressed, neither their discussion after the trappers, nor the L-word, nor N’s overprotectiveness and his worries. It used to be one of my favourite routes, but now I’m just meh about it. I think the author wanted to do too much in b3 and ended up doing a half-baked route without much depth. N doesn’t even feel like N after ch.6 (when the demo ends) and the relationship between the mc and N feels shallow, like superficial and lust-driven. I don’t know, but the romantic moments we had with A and M were more meaningful, everything with N feels sexual, even when you go to dinner with them an picked the slinky outfit option they reply with an innuendo, which per se it’s fine, hot even, if everything else had a more romantic connotation. And a nickname, as sweet as it was, doesn’t make up for everything else.

Personally I think the best s*x is with M in b2. F are still better than both Ns (you can also be intimate with F after the auction iirc) but the best in b3 is M after the “can I have tonight?”, because at least it has some emotional connotation, or maybe just hits differently than the others. It’s also when I’ve decided my M-mancer will stop resisting M (hc that they have taken a shower first).

Definitely, I want the kiss with A to be a meaningful one and for A not to run away and until that happens I will avoid the option when given (if ever given again in b4).

I’m so bad at last names, all my mcs have classic authors last names, so I wouldn’t even know where to start with M.

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We both thought that was weird, too. Of all of them, it seems like F knows how they feel the most, so them not saying it was much too noticeable. I think the issue may be that Mishka said she didn’t want things happening at the same time for the LIs, so she cut that out for F to give N-mancers a chance to hear it, M-mancers a chance to realize it, and A-mancers a chance to say it. So F got left out. This is why, if A-mancers get a relationship at the end of b4 like I suspect, M-mancers will end up having to wait till the end of b5–so they don’t happen at the same time.

You’d think. It made no sense for them to wait. But that whole sex scene was just weird and out of place, anyway.

Probably the same reason the MC wasn’t given the option to take the shot at the end of b2. It’s not allowed.

Well, A appears to be her favorite, so A will probably get the best sex. M’s sex scenes are pretty damned unimpressive so far, for someone who is so sex-focused. I think I like the tree blow job better than any of the sex scenes. The “Can I have tonight” sex wasn’t as bad as the others, but I was confused about who was doing what to whom. It really seemed like they just used their hands to get each other off.

And insanity doesn’t fit with what we’ve seen so far in this series? The stupider something is, the more likely it will happen…

Yeah. I’ve been compelled to headcanon major matters as well, like the lame ass bounty plot. It goes down a lot better in my head canon.

Because he didn’t really apologize. He said he shouldn’t have… and the MC basically pushes him into an apology (“Are you… apologizing??”) with M seemingly reluctantly admitting they are. That is forced to me. Were it voluntary, it would’ve been, “I’m sorry, I shouldn’t have said…” then get to the fact that M meant it but realizes they should’ve phrased it differently. So yeah, it wasn’t for what he said, it was for the verbiage used (and my MC knew that as soon as Mason said he “should’ve have…”).

It does, at Addie’s house, by the car. M is standing there, confused, and N is all “why would I tell you when it’s fun watching you figure it out, hahahaha!”. It made me want to punch him.

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I have the opposite experience with my M-mancer. Rebecca told her that at least she’s not all charming like Rook (that made me laugh, because her charming score is like 16% now–she’s getting worse as time passes). I checked the code and the MC can be nothing like Rook at all. My main MC is reckless and stubborn, which seems to be qualities Rook had, but they are never mentioned.

I really find F’s worse, and the reason is because F claims to like the MC and care about UB, and comes off as this supposedly caring person, but they are downright nasty with a smile on their face. M doesn’t pretend to like anyone, and just lets everyone know upfront that they can’t stand you. They don’t smile as they slip the knife in, the way F does it, they just kick you in the face and keep walking. It’s more honest, IMO.

You should. His playthrough with that character makes me laugh my ass off, partially from the text, but also from his added commentary in-character.

I think, much like her definition of “romance” and other aspects, her definition of spoilers differs from mine. B3 spoiled the entire game in the first couple of chapters by victimizing Sin and showing that idiotic cartoonish trapper. It would’ve been so much cooler to build it up and then spring it on us, instead of ruining the entire plot from the get go. Anything to do with the LIs, she refuses to share, but she’ll ruin plots right out of the gate. I don’t get it.

If our MCs get assaulted by the LI, I can see her forcing the MC to go apologize to them and begging to get them back instead of having the LI get off their ass and make some effort to make it up to the MC. I’ve given up on the idea of the LIs ever doing anything that shows any effort to win the MC’s heart, especially from M and A. Everything is on the MC–suffer the emotional abuse and kiss their feet when they finally decide to stop fighting you.

Not sure if it’ll be b5 or b7, but I’m sure that’s the case. There will be an epic battle at some point (that will be solved in two seconds by Rebecca, probably), with all of the units MC made nice with showing up to help. I just hope we get more opportunities to get people loyal to the MC instead of the Agency, like what happened with Sin. Fuck the Agency.

I asked my husband this question just now and he laughed hysterically. He said that’s his answer.

From what I’ve gathered, they were friends before they banged.

I have a friend where we’ll go years without speaking and when we do, it’s like we never stopped talking. Some friendships are just like that, where time doesn’t affect them at all, and you know that you can call on them and they can call on you–no matter how long it’s been–and you’ll be there for each other. So it does happen.

With Alima… Mishka said there will be LI scenes with their “friends” outside of UB. Given that she also said Alima will definitely be in b4, it seems likely she’ll be M’s “friend” in that scene or scenes. Or that chick that wiped his mind, maybe. Chana?

No idea, and I have my doubts that we’ll ever know. It’s not like M will be anyone important, with a well-known name, so whatever the name is will just ruin my head canons of his whole story.

If the MC can say it before the end of b4, I wouldn’t be surprised if it goes similarly to how N went down, with M not saying back. Possibly with M running off to go be alone and avoiding the MC even more. Given how she writes, I’m about 99% certain M wouldn’t immediately say it back, no matter what she said about how M would’ve reacted in b3. M was in a different place, at that point, than they will be after they get reset again.

We’re already at that point with M and A.

What we had for M from chapter 14 till the end of b3 was awesome, no doubt, but it’s not a relationship. A relationship is a choice, not happenstance, and M has made the choice not to have it. There’s no commitment on M’s part–the MC may choose not to fuck other people, but M hasn’t made that choice. Hell, in the Sanja Patreon scene, M was ready to pounce on her, but then realized they had no desire to do so. So M wanting to fuck others is still there, it’s just their instincts are keeping them from doing so. Thus far, anyway.

I really hope we get to choose a nickname for M other than “sunshine”. I fucking hate that nickname, and it just feels so obnoxious. Dezh would have a couple of nicknames for him when she gets comfortable or even now, but that isn’t one of them.

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Calling M by his name would also work. Most of my characters dislike pet names and Xiulan often insists on full name only as basis. So for him it would be “Agent Mason” and “Mason” when he finally catches feelings, which won’t be until several more books for sure - two can play this game! If Xiulan and Lara can turn out to be denser than their respective LIs, I’d be pleasantly surprised.

And for Ms pet name… “Handsome” never fails to grate on Xiulan’s nerves, and he always insists on being called “Detective Quinn” at the very least. I feel that once these two will finally become a working pair, it’d be mainly calling each other by names.

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I don’t mind it tbh but having the option to pick one of our own would be great too. I’d also love to have the option for A to keep calling us detective instead of agent now, I hope we do.

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Up until the latter half of b3, M calling Dezh “sweetheart” did nothing but piss her off because she knew he was just being obnoxious and that it wasn’t meant affectionately. After the b4 retcon, she’ll go back to not liking it.

I’ve wanted the option for all MCs to be able to call A “Agent” (no last name follows and no “commanding agent” because they refuse to accept A’s authority) until A stops treating them like an outsider with the whole title thing. The “you’re part of this team” never worked for most of mine, since they’re the only part of the team A ostracizes by refusing to use their name.

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I can’t think of anything.
But I’m so used to just “Mason” so I don’t really have the need to know M surname.

There is this scene when Detective can be upset at N about fight with Trappers but that doesn’t mean sht bc nothing, like you said, is discussed.
Whats even point of this choice :roll_eyes:
I too used to like N but something weirds me out (which is surprising to me bc I’m very rarely creeped out by ROs) about his route now.
I’m just headcanoning for the sake of my MC that N read too many cheap romance wattpad novels…

Yep, I realized that too as well.
It’s annoying how Detective have a choice to use one but you can’t choose to not being called pet name by ROs.

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I usually don’t comment or say much or these forums and just buy my games whatever it may be.

But I really don’t like the relationship with Rebecca and my mc

For me I’m trying to understand her motivation for basically ignoring the mc because of the dedication to her job or whatever but it’s never an excuse to not be there for important moments in our mcs lives like their birthday or something.

Might get even more insight on it as when I first played Wayhaven years ago when I was way younger I didn’t pay attention to Rebecca’s neglect I just thought she was trying to love our Mc in the best way she could I always had a good relationship with her.

I started to reread all the books her dialogue especially and what annoyed me the most was her putting the Mcs life over others when she was supposed to be an agent your not supposed to do that that’s when I started disliking her approach.

Ever sense I started calling her out and her bursting out very eyebrow raising comments I’m kinda over Rebecca until she figures out her business.

I like A’s route but with no development in this book I’m leaning towards F as of right now
As a teenager and this is supposed
“teenager drama” even I get fed up with dragging the back and forth stuff.

I’m gonna put this out there I’m a demisexual so seeing A was one on Tumblr definitely made me more interested to see where his route goes but nothing about A screams demisexual to me I’m gonna say my peace on what I think about this of course I need more thoughts on this strange route.

Demisexual people must forge a strong bond with their “partner” aka the Mc in this case to even think about doing anything of that nature
A doesn’t seem interested in the MC knowing anything about them if the Mc pushes for it.

if they are in the mood to talk about their past they’ll do it but the second the mc wants a little more it’s a big no from A.

Relationships on the Ace spectrum especially require more trust and support for them to work but if A is pushing them away it won’t work out or it isn’t supposed to but this is not my story so it’ll happen regardless even if it raises eyebrows in future books.

I want to like A’s route but I need more information about all the Ro’s especially the pushing back and forth only goes so far.

I did love M’s development in this book both him and Farah definitely kept my attention fine no problematic.

Only N and A were definitely not my favorites this book

N: for being way too overprotective for no reason and the weird scenes you all know what I’m talking about.

(I hate when people worry over me so you know I already fought N)

A: the end dialogue and the ridiculous
push- pull thing (This does not interest me)

want to see More information from Rebecca in the next book or I’m keeping the ice cold relationship until I get something better than what I’m getting.

I play Wayhaven less these days because even I read erotica with better scenes and dialogue but I’m gonna keep going probably until book 5 if nothing changes I might need to take a break from Wayhaven but I’ll keep my eye on it.

I really do like A’s route when it’s going right so I honestly just feel down in the dumps in this book but fear not I’ll continue strong.

got a bad feeling about M doing it to me next book I just can’t be happy for 2 books straight.

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It appears A-mancers are about to be very happy in b4:

Because I’m guessing this is more than just a random comment:

Things are certainly coming to a head in that romance soon…

Told you guys A-mancers would get an actual relationship before M-mancers ever do…

Yeah, I have a feeling M is about to gut kick the MC. Hard. M-mancers got their happy time for the latter third of b3. That’ll be all we’re allowed till b7, lol.

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Tbh reading that quote it sounds more like the things that she is referring to is the love triangle route. Bc sera has said before that eventually mc will have to choose between them and it’s kinda crappy dragging it on esp. when some mc’s are sleeping with N and longing for A :neutral_face:

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I agree that it’s creepy having the MC sleeping with N and longing for A. If nothing else, it’s emotional cheating, which is… ugh.

But I figure A’s solo path will come to a head around the same time the LT does. I don’t see her having A commit to the MC sooner in the LT than solo, do you? I think there’d be mutiny amongst the A fans, if she did that!

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I have trust issues when it comes to A’s route so I’m not holding my breath. The LT is a bit of a copy-paste of the solo route, particularly the scenes with mc and either A or N so you’re probably right but I hope for N’s sake, especially a romanced N, that mc make up their mind soon. Imagine being in N’s shoes, it just sucks.

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I might be misremembering but I think there was an ask about how A will commit to a relationship sooner in their solo route than in the LT because in the solo one their personal issues are really the only obstacle, while in the LT there’s N as well. Which makes sense to me.

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I don’t think they’re ending at the same time, based on this question. It seems more like the LT is ending during Book 5. Hopefully.

I agree, but I just got done having a debate with someone on Reddit who didn’t believe in emotional cheating (the irony). I was wondering if that was Sera’s stance on it as well, but then I looked it up, and she seemed to understand that cheating isn’t just based on what you do physically. Off-topic, but the person I was speaking to seemed to get upset that I didn’t try to change their mind about emotional cheating; it was very strange. I just needed to say that.

On-topic, not to mention the MC and A getting together so late in the story during the LT, I’m just not sure how well it’s going to play out. Especially if you sleep with N and have a relationship with them. It’s all very disturbing.

I honestly don’t want it to happen now—a solid relationship. Those sex scenes have traumatized me.

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Nice catch. I missed that one. Then again, I seem to miss most things that aren’t M-related!

From that ask, it definitely looks like the LT won’t be resolved until b5, at least, since she said b4 is setting it up to resolve.

That’s… weird. It amuses me when people want you to ‘prove’ why your opinion is correct. It’s an opinion, ergo a subjective conclusion, which may possibly change with more data. :woman_shrugging:

I really hope N’s response to it won’t be, “I’m sad” then be fine two scenes later. There should be some lasting conflict, specifically with a MC who started dating N and was sleeping with them. For MCs who resisted, then I could see it being less problematic, but the former case is just messed up. That said, I doubt much will be made of it. Everyone in this series tends to forget everything ten seconds later.

After seeing that ask, I really am convinced A’s solo route will resolve in b4, especially considering the things she’s said. By end of b4, A-mancers will have a relationship with A, if they want it. M-mancers will have to wait until b5 or later, had I to bet–I think the M reset at the beginning of b4 will last the entire game.

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Thanks, and as you should, I’m actually really interested in M-related content as well at this point that I even named my character Mason on INFAMOUS. It’s subject to change, but I’m definitely liking M a lot now.

Thank you! I told them I was not there to change their personal perspective on anything; I was just there to offer a different perspective. I’m completely fine with others having opposing opinions and views, but that’s probably a rarity in the Reddit forum (Stranger Things, such trivial matters over there that get turned into more than what they should, they started bringing up sexism and misogyny) that we were in. Thank you for reading and responding to my rant. I appreciate it.

I completely agree. I just don’t believe a friendship can survive this. Maybe if the MC didn’t work with them, I could understand a bit better, but N is going to have to be around A and the MC at work and at their own home. They’ll barely get any reprieve. It reminds me of when Stefan left his own home because Damon and Elena started dating. Just sick shit all around.

Yeah, the “will they, won’t they” is definitely a wrap in Book 4. BRING ON THE THEATRICS! A and the MC are naturally dramatic; it’s funny but also very, “What the hell?” As for M, if your theory is correct, I wonder if the MC will be able to just burst into tears. I’m ready for an MC breakdown. “I’m dealing with people killing others because of me; almost dying; people hunting me for my fucking blood; why do you have to make this harder for me too?” Mind you, this rant can apply to everyone except F. We need it. I crave it.

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I’m glad you’re liking M now! And that’s awesome that you named your MC Mason in Infamous!

Any time. I know how it feels to want to rant and everyone ignores it!

Yes! I would actually love it if, after the MC makes a decision to go with A, N “takes a break” for a couple of chapters and just avoids them altogether, maybe even taking a temporary assignment with another team to get their head on straight, so to speak. I had really hoped the LT would be resolved in b4 so time could be dedicated to cleaning up the mess it caused, before allowing A and MC to be happy together.

Likewise, if the MC “chooses” N (I’m not sure how that will work with A always bowing out??), there should be a final blowout with A, and I’d love to see A step away for a bit. I believe Mishka said in the past that both A and N are the MC’s soulmates in the LT, and that’s not something you just shrug off and keep going.

And yes, the way Stefan walked away from the house because of Damon and Elena made sense. And I was a Delena fan. That whole thing was ugly, just like the Katherine situation. :face_vomiting:

Yeah, after A declaring ‘it’s over’ (babe, it was never started), it will be interesting to see how they deal with it being ‘over’. My A-mancer is so done with the drama. If he starts giving her eyes again, she’s going to be like, “Yeah, no. You said we’re done, so we’re done. Go play in traffic.” A had damned well better make it good when they decide they can’t fight their feelings anymore or Z will be unimpressed and refuse to be with him (if that’s an option).

YES!! After b3!M from the crystal till the end, for M to return to the hot/cold, “I don’t understand…derrrrrppp…”, “I’m only dtf, nothing more” is going to make my MC nuts. She’s been tolerant through the whole thing, never asking for anything from Mason and continually telling herself it’s just sex because he said so, but she started letting the walls down in b3. When he goes back to the same old bullshit, she’s going to lose her shit… though she’d try to do it alone. Or she’d just quietly go ask to be assigned to another team because she can no longer work with UB due to a personal conflict. Too bad that won’t be an option…

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Thank you, I’m glad I can enjoy this character too.

Exactly!:heart::heart:

This would be the correct course of action for them to take and should be what happens in the game.

Right, it’s just so hard to imagine book 5 being the conclusion to the LT and then MC doing what exactly with A? Sealing their relationship with a kiss by the end of book 5 after they break up with N? Because in order for the MC to have a relationship with A, they will need to start it immediately. Unless the MC is going to end things with N by the end of Book 5 and we do a time skip like we typically do where three months have gone by. That could work better, but the MC and A still won’t be in a relationship, unless we’re going to skip how they got together.

Honestly, I feel more bad for A than I ever will for N during the LT. N has been in several relationships, and people tend to like them, while A keeps more to themselves and doesn’t date. They aren’t going to find anyone else to be in a relationship with; N has the potential to. As for “choosing” N, I agree that A was never cast as a runner-up, at least not by their own volition.

I still don’t understand the whole soulmate thing in this situation. It would make more sense if A and N were soulmates as well. Then again, the vampires were supposed to be deceased; they both shouldn’t have been alive at the same time in the first place, so that’s probably why the MC is both of their soulmates.

It was completely crazy and just nasty. Have you watched Gilmore Girls? I’m watching it for the first time, and I’m on season 3. It’s so messy. So far, there’s cheating, helping others cheat, and flip-flopping between guys.

I hope there’s an option where the MC can tell A to court them, or we can offer to court them. It seems like something A should want to do. For MC’s who are upset at A, it would be their way of having that security and A showing that they truly care about them.

Honestly, as long as the response isn’t “how charming” and “jerk,” I’ll deal with the mood swings. As long as we can verbally defend ourselves and express how they’re acting like a malfunctioning drone that needs to get their emotions in check.

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I hope I’m wrong, but I just know A’s sex scenes are going to be so cringey. And I’m praying A doesn’t pull a N and become a horny oversexual beast, that would be even more cringe, for me at least.

Yeah probably something along the line of the mc being pulled to their true love when they have to face the big evil. Which is kinda fun in an unfunny way if you go for A and are in a relationship with N, you as a reader, would have spent more time with N than your actual love interest.

I don’t know what Sera’s view on the topic is, but it raises the question as to why give the player the option to be in a relationship and intimate with N while pining for A, if she believes cheating isn’t just physical. If the explanation is something along the lines “mc didn’t know, they were just confused”, I’m sorry but it won’t work for me as the book acknowledges very clearly how the mc feels about A.

A and N have been friends for over 300 years, it would be kinda sad to throw that friendship away for a “special” human. N needing some time away would make tons of sense and it’s the healthy thing to do (which probably won’t happen because angst!) but in the end they’re all going to be friends.

A’s drama is so anticlimactic now, it’s a never ending variation of “let me smooch you so you can push me away again but with more force”, “oh you wanna talk about your feelings, sure. [insert meaningful conversation that won’t matter in the end] ohh now you need to leave and avoid me for the foreseeable future… fine I guess. But you do feel something for me right? No, oh okay.” Mc proceeds to be miserable until A decides to grace them with a crumb of attention. As an A-mancer I already know that nothing is meaningful any more because we’re always going back to square one. So I hope that in b4 A finally makes up their mind, either you want this or you don’t, both are fine but make up your damn mind or be at least honest, “I want this but I’m not ready” until b?, when Sera decides to end this torture.

How does that even work? I can understand this in a poly but if in the end you need to choose one or the other, how is the person you didn’t pick your soulmate? Does it mean you will always have feelings for that person? The platonic kind? I’m just so confused and honestly I think this soulmate thing is to justify all the crap these characters are put through and the non issue mc’s final choice will be. If A is picked, N will be happy their best friend has found love and if N is picked, A would be relieved they were right all along to push the mc in N’s direction. Sadly, people don’t confront problems in this series, everything is brushed under the carpet and there’s so much wasted potential for meaningful conversations and character growth.

On Patreon, there’s a public ask of the month about something like this. Maybe Sera is considering it.

Same. I made another M-mancer that works a lot better than my previous one and their route is the only one I’ve replayed several times in b3. M was always in my 3rd spot, but now they’re easily in 2nd place. I’m still an A devotee despite all my complaints and the little satisfaction that route provides.

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