The Wayhaven Chronicles General Discussion (SPOILER FREE FOR BOOK THREE!)

According to Sera, she can’t decide which one the protag will end up with so she converted the novel into an interactive fiction. :slight_smile: I’m happy she did though or I wouldn’t discovered her writing since I don’t like LT. :joy:

Edit: Here’s the link

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Ah, I get you. I suppose I would like a few of those things, to an extent. The buying gifts would be great (my MC really wants to get Mason some sunglasses so he doesn’t have to run around squinting all summer and being miserable, because she hates the sun, too!). The holding hands? Meh. With M, it would go over poorly. With A, they’d just sit there like a stone, like they did in book 2 if the MC grabbed their hand.

I mean, I see what you’re saying about balancing it out with it being slow-paced, but it’s already so one-sided with both of them (with A refusing to “give in” to feelings and M being all about sex and nothing else) that it would feel even worse to see the MC giving more and getting squat in return from them. That’s why I figured letting the MC date someone else would balance it. If dating or a flirtatious friendship isn’t an option, then I’d like to let the MC choose to hang out with someone other than the RO for certain things (even from UA, or Elidor or Tapeesa or the other guy whose name I can’t remember right now) instead of always chasing their RO only to be kicked in the teeth.

It’s just like the upcoming dinner with either Tina or Eric/Verda, which I dread reading about in the A and M paths. While my MCs with Nate and Felix would happily invite them along, my MC with Adam and Mason would not. They wouldn’t even mention it to them because they both know how well-received (NOT!) it would be and neither of them enjoy getting insulted and/or sneered at, which is exactly what would happen if they asked Mason and Adam to this thing (Mason, Mr. “I don’t date and just want to bang you” and Adam King of Angst “There is nothing between us!”). No doubt the MC will be forced into asking and they’ll be dicks about it and probably dicks during the dinner, too, but just… blech.

Alternatively, maybe they’ll overhear about it and have to go to “protect” the MC–and still be dicks. The only shining moment would be in the dinner with Tina–because if M started calling the MC nothing but a f-toy, she’d tell him he’s an asshole to his face and that he doesn’t deserve the MC. She’d probably also tell A to go see a psychiatrist to get over whatever’s wrong with him. The Verda/Eric dinner with A or M would just end up making Verda think worse of supernaturals and backfire.

Anyway, I’m just really hoping there is an option for the MC to ask N or F to go to the dinner instead (even though my M-mancer is besties with A and my A-mancer is besties with M… because the same problem exists with those two even as friends!). Or, better yet, just let them go alone to the dinner (and not bother telling A or M about it, to boot). And be kidnapped by Trappers. Won’t happen but I want to torture the LIs. :grin:

Well, I don’t see how they could when it’s just casual dating or hanging out, not anything serious. I don’t know, I just want the MCs in the A and M routes to have some happiness and someone treating them nicely and like they matter, since they only get milliseconds of it from those two (and triggering some feelings in them wouldn’t hurt). Whether it’s dating or getting to be close friends with a supernatural outside of UB doesn’t really matter to me.

Maybe? I figure it’s just because we’re lacked into a path, but what the hell do I know, lol. Either way, I don’t consider it cheating to date or bang someone else in either route, since one of them makes it clear to the MC that they mean nothing to them other than being a piece of ass (even if M’s slowly falling for the MC) and the other makes it clear they don’t want the MC at all (even if that’s a lie)!

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I imagine that as the LT progresses, N will realize what is going on but understand that neither A nor the MC are doing it out of malice or trying to play around with N’s feelings. N’s friendship with A will be rocked by it but it will survive and the drama will come, not from a conflict between N and A, but rather simply from N doing their utmost to be the only one in the MC’s heart and it will ultimately be up to the reader whether they suceed or not.
That’s my theory, anyway.

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That’s true, I didn’t think of it that way. Personally, if I witnessed this scenario I would draw the conclusion that this person lacks self-respect because they’re chasing after someone who isn’t reciprocating. Good thing my MC and I view their “relationship” with A as a casual challenge who doesn’t want to commit quickly. With that being said, my MC would never romance M. M’s friendship route is wonderful though.

Yes! I wanna hang out with Elidor too! If our science percentage is high enough it would be nice to speak to other scientists that work for the Agency and learn more about their job and how we can secure a position.

I personally don’t want to attend the dinner at all. Technically it wasn’t our secret to tell or to even let Versa investigate on his own. If UB does decide to be irritated or angry that’s understandable, but we should be able to properly defend ourselves. In all honesty I don’t see how we haven’t gotten the option to say, “Shut the hell up.” “You’re an asshole.” “Fuck you.” Instead of walking away and wallowing in self-pity. We definitely should’ve been able to punch Bobby in the face if he kissed the MC without them wanting to. But, eh, maybe in the future.

I would like to believe that Verda would be more understanding and less terrified once he realizes he’s married to a supernatural man. Even if A and M give off a bad impression, his husband’s behavior and how he’s been treated by his husband should trump anything A and M have to say.

Going with F and N will be chill, their personalities are more suited to a sensitive topic such as the supernatural when it comes to Verda. I’d go with F because I just know he’ll make that dinner exciting with his goofy personality.

Especially if can kill some of them. :crazy_face:

Yeah, if it’s nothing serious then it’s definitely not cheating. I could see my MC doing this while still flirting with A with a big ass grin on my MC’s face. Alas, it is not to be! Thy shed a tear and weep!

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I can recommend it, I swear! I know the sex focus is off-putting but it’s much better than it seems.

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I did the Morgan romance and I have to admit its frustrating but worth it lol. She does care, she just doesn’t want too

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I wonder what would be the reaction of each member of the Bravo unit as RO if the MC takes them to the Spa. He also asked me which part of the Spa each member would choose (Gym, back, foot and hand massage, yoga, sauna, mud bath, etc)

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She’s a big softy inside. It’s just her mask that prevents her from ever expressing her true intentions/feelings.

M is best romance and you can’t change my mind.

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Idk… Farah does exist lol.

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Farah and MCs romance is childlike and beautiful but its annoyingly slow and lacks tension (like Ava and Mc) but nevertheless, I like Farah.

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Morgans romance was the most action packed and exiting of all. but there’s always this lack of commitment from morgans end that makes it quite frustrating for some people ig.

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I loved Farahs because I can understand why she feels like she does. She just wants someone to choose her. She truly falls in love and it’s so sweet. Morgan frustrates me cause she only wants sex and nothing more, at least for now lol

@Jumpy_hamster
My MC was super sarcastic and always wanted to put others above himself (may have accidentally played myself but fuck it) for that MC I ended up romancing F and having A as my best friend (who mostly just tolerates me at best lol) my smart ass always loved picking on her whenever i get the chance. Nat is amazing too she was who i chose for my second playthrough. A was fun but kinda heartbreaking to me. M just annoyed me lol but i see why she is liked.

Nat is my favourite. what about you? could you describe your MC
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Agreed. I may change my mind after four or five books of the up and down, hot and cold, mean and nice, but for now? Definitely my favorite.

I get the lack of tension for the F-mance, but slow? I don’t think it’s that slow. Hell, F wanted an official relationship before N did.

I think, for the most part, F and N are pretty well-paced, more like a normal relationship. A is ridiculously slow. And M is supposed to be just as ridiculously slow, but at least the MC can have sex with him, which mitigates some of the annoyances of being tediously slow. With A, there’s nothing to mitigate the marathon of misery other than the gold at the end of the rainbow.

I think you’re right that some people are annoyed at the lack of a commitment up front. For me, as the reader, the only thing I find frustrating about M’s path so far is in the demo–the tender moment followed by M being a cold-hearted dick.

One reason I have a problem with A’s path is the mixed signals, and it took me forever to find an MC that could work on that path. Mixed signals, hot and cold, and emotionally tugging and shoving the MC doesn’t sit well with me for most MCs. It took finding one who literally has no desire whatsoever to act on her attraction to Adam, and having the option to tell him to stop jerking her around helps. But we knew from the beginning that A would refuse to give in and fight it till the bitter end–it was love at first sight on A’s end, but A doesn’t want it and resists. Therefore, A jerks the MC around (unintentionally, but it’s there) with the hot/cold crap.

Then there’s M. Sera had said that M doesn’t resist their feelings, they just don’t know what they feel. However, in the book 3 demo, it looks an awful lot like outright resistance to me in that diner. That was willful on M’s part, not cluelessness. And that will frustrate me as a reader and will hurt my Maso-mancer if he consistently behaves the same way A behaves. Apparently, that’s where things are going, though. M is going to be like a mini-me to A until Sera decides M can have feelings for the MC.

Oh well, we knew it’d take most of the series to finally have the MC with M or A, so it’s not a big shocker. I just expected a different path with M, where M and the MC would be a couple in all but name and practically be living together before M woke up and was like, “When the hell did I start living here?” MC: “Six months ago.” M, grumbling: “Well stop putting your clothes in my drawers!”

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Just putting my 2 cents out here: Many people will deny or resist anything strange or new, so I think that’s what M did. So when the waitress(lol forgot her name) asked about The Mc and M being together, M didn’t know how to respond, and said the first thing that came into their mind.

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Hm. So you think it was more of an impulse thing than an intentional denial of anything going on between M and the MC?

I think the thing that made me think it’s more of an A-level thing than cluelessness is how pissed off M got after snapping that out at Haley. If it had just been impulse, why sit and pout after he says what he does? Plus, M already realizes in the demo that things are ‘different’ with the MC.

The blip in chapter 3 of the demo where he says he knows lust but there’s something else mixed in with the feeling that he can’t identify. That is cluelessness/confusion, and it’s obvious that M doesn’t know what’s going on (which is why N says what they do). On the way down the street, M is going with what feels right without thinking about it (which is totally an M thing to do), flinging his arm around the MC and walking together. In the bakery, he’s doing the same thing–kissing the MC, but doing in that way where he’s so lost in the MC that nothing else exists (and yeah, it’s clear that what’s driving that action is that “thing” mixed in with the lust, but M is still purely acting on instinct, on what feels right). And M is clearly confused by that kiss and how it goes down.

But when Haley walks up and says what she does, M doesn’t just scoff and smirk at the MC while talking about them seeing him naked (which would’ve been the normal response, I think), but instead gets pissed off, makes the comment implying the only thing the MC is good for is screwing, then sinks into a sullen silence.

If it was confusion driving him, I could see the sullen silence, with him growling at Haley and refusing to answer while he sits there ignoring her and the MC and glaring in the distance because he’s still trying to figure it out. But the fact that he got so pissed off at the mere suggestion that something else is going on between him and the MC makes it seem like he realizes there’s reason for such an observation and wants to nip it in the bud, not only so Haley gets it but so the MC does as well, because he’s refusing for there to be more and will fight it till the bitter end if that is, indeed, the other ‘thing’ that’s mixed in with the lust.

That’s where there’s a disconnect for me between what Sera said about M and what we’re seeing. M’s behavior and words go against the idea of “if it feels right do it” and moves into the realm of M wanting sex but fighting any other feeling (rather than simply being unable to identify it) Therefore, the vehement denial and pouting afterward (which seemed to me to be M steeling himself against ever behaving like that again).

I mean, that’s just my interpretation of it, so your mileage may vary. But if this is going to be a regular thing :tm: with M–where they run hot and cold with the MC and get pissed off and nasty any time they do something that suggests the MC might be more than a sex toy–there’s really no way it can’t come off as A-level denial. Confusion and cluelessness about falling in love are completely separate beasts from denial/refusal to allow that love to exist.

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New youtube from Sera and Nai:

My takeaways:

The “who falls in love fastest?” question was… mostly expected. But it did give a better idea of how long it will take each romance to get to this point, I think.

  • As we know, A fell in love with the MC at first sight, in the office when they met in book 1. At this point, it’s just a matter of A not fighting it anymore.
  • Surprisingly, N is next (I expected F, to be honest!), with a natural progression from crushing to becoming more to being in love, with fairly fast movement from step 2 to step 3. I’m guessing we’re at step 2 with them, if the MC chose to date them. Probably by the end of book 3, N will realize it’s love.
  • With F, she said they spend longer in the crush stage then immediately jump into being in love. So, apparently, they are still in the crushing stage? Not sure if she’d have F and N get to the love part at the exact same time, but I can see it happening by the end of book 3.
  • The part that absolutely blows is the M part, because not only does it take a really long time for them to fall in love, it will take even longer for them to realize that’s what it is. We knew the latter part already, but I had assumed M was already falling by the end of book 2–apparently not. Paraphrasing from the video, at some point M will be like: “Oh, so I’ve been in love for years.” YEARS! Given that Sera has said the series will cover two or three years, it looks like it’ll probably be a book 7 realization for M. And probably book 5 or 6 before they get to the point where they are actually in love with the MC. M-mancers may be getting shafted more than A-mancers!

The question about possible specific moments when the LI says “I love you” to the MC was an interesting one (including the part about hopefully getting that admission from A before book 7!).

  • Apparently, the MC might get that declaration at different points based on how the MC behaves. N and F really aren’t worries–no matter what, I’m sure you guys will get that declaration fairly soon, at least in book 3 or 4. * For A and M-mancers? With A, I think some MCs basically got that in book 2 with the ‘tu omnia’ comment, so I think an outright declaration may happen in book 3 if the MC does things a certain way. It seems that MCs who put the job above A’s well-being and who are shyer about things get better responses from A than those who are direct, so they’ll probably get it first, if I had to bet.
  • For M-mancers, much like with A, those who let M get hurt got a shot at better responses from M than those who saved them. And Sera definitely seems to prefer a shy MC to a bold one, since the shy MCs seem to get better behavior and responses from A and M. So maybe that type of choice will lead to M declaring love before book 7 and several years have passed? Too bad for me, because my M-mancer is not shy.

The question on deep romance was another one that was… a bit disappointing. I had made the mistake of assuming that ‘deep romance’ implied a relationship between the MC and their LI. That, however, is not the case.

  • According to Sera in the video, “deep romance” refers to the MC being “comfortable” with the LI, which might mean a relationship, or it might mean the “flirtation.”
  • Since the MC can already have a relationship with N and F, if they so choose, then the deep romance will, obviously, be a relationship thing. She implied that book 1 and 2 were crush stage for N and F, and book 3 is like the honeymoon stage? After that is getting comfortable before deep romance. Deep romance for F will be book 4, from her comments. Book 5 for N?
  • Since A and M are long haul things–and based on the above question and answers–the “deep romance” thing most likely refers to the flirtation with A and the sex (or making out or flirting, depending on MC choice) with M.
  • What I got from it: I don’t think anyone should count on getting relationships from A or M until just before the very end, given this and her comments about how long things take to progress with them.
  • Also: An A relationship may happen first (beginning of book 6, maybe? with M coming end of book 6/beginning of book 7?), given her comments about who falls in love first and just how long it takes M to get there. More and more it sounds like A-mancers will have it better than M-mancers unless the MC is fine with meaningless sex until the very end. My M-mancer is, but I’m not sure she can take the hot and cold from Mason without shutting down, so… I don’t know.

The question about who is more protective… another interesting one, and how each is protective in their own way. What’s more interesting about this is which team members get friend points in book 2 for the ‘save Sanja’ mission–I don’t know if you guys dived into the code or not, but it seems like some members of UB value certain other member more than the mission, while the mission is more important than certain UB members for some. Not sure how to take that, really, especially since the points go as follows:

  • Saving A over Sanja: +1F, +1N; saving Sanja over A: +1M
  • Saving M over Sanja: +1F; saving Sanja over M: +1N, +1A
  • Saving F over Sanja: +1M, +1 N; saving Sanja over F: +1A
  • Saving N over Sanja: +1F, +1M; saving Sanja over N: +1A
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shoot- neither of my MCs for them are shy :tired_face: :expressionless: (much like myself)… well, just gotta wait it out, then. Hopefully F and N can fill up that space for now :stuck_out_tongue:

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Yeah, I figure we non-shy/flustery A and M-mancers will just have to wait it out and suffer through longing looks from A and M being a dick on and off for who knows how many years for the last two books to come out before we finally get to see our MCs happy with those two. Hopefully I won’t be dead before that happens, XD But that’s what fanfic is for, right? Getting the happy stuff now instead of ten years from now?

Thankfully, I do like the F route and my F-mancer is hilarious, so that should be entertaining. I’m still meh about N’s route, but maybe that’ll change. It’s just a bit too syrupy for me as a reader (I’ve never been into your “classic” romances where the couple is over-the-top sweet and perfect), and even my N-mancer is turning non-syrupy so she doesn’t end up with cavities. Gotta balance that out! :stuck_out_tongue:

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Hi, I was wondering if the save game has been implemented for book 2, I know that CoG doesn’t do it right away so I just wanted to make sure.

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