MC found pleasure in the idea of killing and having power over the another person. To me that sounds a lot like what you are saying about Jun/ko being a serial killer and bad from the get-go.
You asked early for me to “quote any of your nonsense” about MC being a serial killer too. And here it is.
And as you said early in another post "it’s been stated the Mc is bad but their actions are based on profit and survival.Junko is control and pleasure, which makes them worse."
But here it is MC for control and pleasure doing the same thing as Jun/ko. Enjoying killing.
Wow, things are heating up here. Relax, people. Some of us love Jun(ko), some of us hate him/her. I’m not saying his actions can be justified and I think MC is not near as bad as he/she, of course. But he’s insane for REASONS. And MC killing Sensei and abandoning him is one of those. Idk I need closure with them and NOPE I don’t want to kill him/her. And I think it would be a mistake to force us to do so. I would feel horrible killing him tbh.
I think some of you people get so upset because you think we think he’s a teddy bear who only needs a hug. Or that we would justify someone like him IRL. Hell no. But this is fiction and it is brutal fiction and I love him as a character and if Devon gave us the possibility of having our ronin LOVE him (she says so herself) after what happened with Masa… well, I don’t see the redemption path so impossible. Remember, we have all those options of thinking of Jun AFTER Masa’s accident. And Tosh and Masa think MC is still in love with Jun(ko). They say so. At least in my playthrough
So, yep… I think instead of getting angry we could all be happy having the option to try to save him or kill him. Because maybe redemption wouldn’t be logical for your ronin if you despise Jun (ko) but… for my MC? That thought of him at every turn? Told him she could never love another? Gave birth in dreams and told him “I’m yours”, that slept with the Baron but saw Jun in his place? It would be extremely weird for her to truly hate him. Now that I think about it my MC has NEVER said or thought she hated Jun…
I have given my reasons why Jun/ko felt threaten with Momoko and acted under the Jigoku.
As MC feels threaten with the samurai and acted.
Different scenarios same ruthless and remorseless mind frame. Same desire for control and pleasure. Same joy from killing.
it seems they grew up together, they fell in love and most likely saw something of themselves in each other. And while they have their bad sides I do think Jun/ko and MC are more than their lust for killing. MC is finding that out with the others help. Maybe Jun/ko can too, maybe not. Who knows.
Look we are not going to agree and that is okay.
There really isn’t much more to add to this and there really isn’t a need to be sarcastic.
I find open discussion more productive not snide remarks so if that how you are going to be then I think there is no point continuing. But thank you for your insight into things I do enjoy seeing others understanding about these things. After all I think we all trying to better understand the story and characters.
It’s not that I’m trying to be snide I’m making a point its hard to say they are the same. Momoko and Masami did nothing, while the samurai attacked. However if you wish to drop the disscusion, im fine with it.
To you, Momoko and Masa didn’t do anything, but that’s not how Jun/ko sees it. To Jun/ko, they are creating a widening gap between the MC and him/her. Jun/ko reacted in the only way they felt they could to try and stop that from continuing, by eliminating the causes.
Omg!!! You just said what i have in heart!! Bruh… Jun/ko side all the way… in hell and out!!! I would murder the most cast just so Jun/ko would be happy and i could join her.
You’re missing the point it is the joy and the thrill of killing and power over someone helpless (The samurai had surrendered) the Ronin had during that moment even if acting in defense. Plus before you can either choose to let Masashi handle it with magic instead so really the Ronin didn’t have to raise their blade but chose to. (It is the brutal choice) and if Masashi hadn’t stopped it, the Ronin would have killed.
Yes, we can compare. I get the feeling you just don’t want them to be compared because what Jun/ko did was wrong… But both saw threats and reacted to them. Simple as that. The threats are just different from each other. MC obviously matters a great deal to Jun/ko, thus she/he will do what they feel needs to be done, just like anyone else.
Um no you really can’t. One case is literally reacting to your life being in danger, while the other is being psychotically aggressive. In no way are those comparible and you would have purposefully bend over backwards to see it as such.
Hmm I don’t think the two situations are really comparable. They’re both wrong, yes, but the ronin reacting to a high-adrenaline situation is quite different from Momoko’s mutilation. One is a reaction the other is plain torture and cruelty.
I like Jun(ko) too but we shouldn’t deny the messed up things they do. And hurting Momoko was certainly one of them. She really, really didn’t deserve it and now she’s mute for life. Poor, sweet soft-spoken Momoko .
I’ve been gone for the most of the day and I come to see over 60 plus messages about one thing. sigh
Look, Jun/ko is obviously obsessed with the ronin for whatever reason they may have, whether it’s out of some psychotic reason or none at all, it’s clear that the ronin still cares for Jun/ko since he/she is the biggest part of the ronin’s past. Any threat that comes between them, Jun/ko will react violently to it. But what did you really expect from a person who has been raised since childhood to be a ruthless assassin and was in love with Sensei and his technique? The ronin was also trained to be the same as Jun/ko, carrying on Sensei’s teachings but at this point, the ronin is currently facing a internal turmoil after being lied to by the group and forgetting Jun/ko. He also considers himself weak when he doesn’t have the Jigoku so who’s the only one that could teach him? Jun/ko.
But regardless, we should have the choice to either save Jun/ko or not which is very likely at this point. Every reader has their own perspective on who Jun/ko and the ronin really are as a person but the way I do see it, they both need each other. It’s a yin-yang kind of thing that you’d commonly see in comics like for example, Batman and Joker.
I’m sure the Ronin could relearn themselves. I hope there is a choice to either embrace the brutality of the Jigoku, or learn a new way by embracing your spirit animal…though my wild boar has been a dick lately.
Well if I were the ronin, I would be very wary of my spirit animal since they only show up whenever I needed it. It also didn’t show up when we needed it against Jun/ko but of course, you’ll fail using the Jigoku in that fight, most likely due to sheer exhaustion. So I’d rather be safe than to be sorry, having a back-up plan in case the spirit animal or Jigoku fails. If you asked my brutal ronin this, he’d definitely go with the Jigoku.
Oh, I plan on making Jun pay for Masa and Momoko, but I don’t believe we saw what transpired between them, just the after with Jun/ko. Could be something Momoko said or did that provoked Jun/ko. They are kinda insane and have no regard for life/people except MC’s and maybe their own. Maybe she wasn’t answering the questions asked, thus Jun/ko was like “You don’t want to talk? Fine!” or perhaps it’s a punishment so that Momoko can never speak to MC again?
Probably the reason why our spirit animal was not able to help when we need it the most was perhaps we haven’t really attain mastery over it. Especially during Ige’s scene, the Ronin has lost a part of themselves (Jun/ko, their past) . I view that in order to master our spirit animal, we have to accept the past and redeem ourselves.
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